n5bew1
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I see my paraphrase didn't come through just right. Normans dispatcher said " MWC advised me they are not on the state radio system." that is all.
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I see my paraphrase didn't come through just right. Normans dispatcher said " MWC advised me they are not on the state radio system." that is all.
dbestfirefighter
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It is not, it is close but at different locations.
Well we had trucks from as far away as Hydro and Cloud Chief here in Big Elk yesterday. Big fires everywhwere. I was on stand-by to evacuate, and on stand by to return to the hospital. We had a 13 vehicle accident in the smoke, 9victims, Lots of fun, No helicopters as the wind was too high. My neighbors were watering their roofs.
The one fire got to within about 300 yards from my house before Foss FD got it out. Seems at least out here west our mutual aid system is working quite well. So sorry for everyone in Midwest city that lost their homes. What a mess.
The one fire got to within about 300 yards from my house before Foss FD got it out. Seems at least out here west our mutual aid system is working quite well. So sorry for everyone in Midwest city that lost their homes. What a mess.
I think the fire department with the longest distance to drive to us was Enid. They brought an engine company down and did great. We had another fire in the woods at 10th and Hiwassee yesterday that jumped the road and almost got away. We started mutual aid from everybody on this side of town, and took care of it.
I don't have the entire list of all the departments who were here the last few days but thank you very much to everyone that came. We lost a bunch of houses but it could have been a whole lot worse. Nobody killed and only minor injuries.
Again from Choctaw F.D. to all the departments that helped us stop it where we did, Thank You and God Bless...
I don't have the entire list of all the departments who were here the last few days but thank you very much to everyone that came. We lost a bunch of houses but it could have been a whole lot worse. Nobody killed and only minor injuries.
Again from Choctaw F.D. to all the departments that helped us stop it where we did, Thank You and God Bless...
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PolarBear25
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Fire Destroys MWC Police Computer System Repair Teams Get System Back On Line
Fire Destroys MWC Police Computer System - Oklahoma City News Story - KOCO Oklahoma City
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MIDWEST CITY, Okla. -- The firestorm that damaged homes and property in Midwest City on Thursday also burned a critical part of the police department's communications system.
A building that houses central electronic equipment for the onboard computers in Midwest City patrol cars was badly damaged. The fire also damaged the system that pages the fire department.
City teams spent more than a full day working on the problem but said on Sunday that everything is back up and running.
The burned system also helped control the city's tornado sirens.
Emergency managers said they plan to meet with city leaders this week to figure out how to replace the equipment that was lost.
On a side note the switch for MWC EMS or (MCEMS) to the OKWIN or the state's DPS system is a permanent one.
Fire Destroys MWC Police Computer System - Oklahoma City News Story - KOCO Oklahoma City
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MIDWEST CITY, Okla. -- The firestorm that damaged homes and property in Midwest City on Thursday also burned a critical part of the police department's communications system.
A building that houses central electronic equipment for the onboard computers in Midwest City patrol cars was badly damaged. The fire also damaged the system that pages the fire department.
City teams spent more than a full day working on the problem but said on Sunday that everything is back up and running.
The burned system also helped control the city's tornado sirens.
Emergency managers said they plan to meet with city leaders this week to figure out how to replace the equipment that was lost.
On a side note the switch for MWC EMS or (MCEMS) to the OKWIN or the state's DPS system is a permanent one.
This information is incorrect. Midwest City EMS is dispatching on the State DPS System because their primary UHF repeater was destroyed in the fire. They are currently simulcasting dispatch on the trunked system and their UHF channel 2 (461.150MHz). This UHF channel is located on the Midwest City Hospital and does not provide coverage for their entire area.
However, the reason Midwest City EMS has not switched to the State system is also because of coverage. The system does not give them hand-held coverage in critical areas of their area. --Most notably inside the Midwest City Hospital.
--fast2okc
I know the 800 portables do not transmit or recieve at the Choctaw station either. Also they do not have base 800 radios at any of the stations. They have the mobiles in the trucks and the handhelds.
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PolarBear25
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That information is incorrect. the wait was on more 800Mhz portable radio's that Midwest City now has. The repeater was destroyed in the fire, that takes time and money to replace the MCT's system will be replace as well as the OCSO UHF stuff. Those are the priorities here as for MRMC well there are still cell phones, and UHF MCEMS 2 that can be used until that problem is fixed.
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PolarBear25
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That portable coverage can be fix with digital, but you right it does have problems on 23th street right in that area.
"Also they do not have base 800 radios at any of the stations"
Why would you need that at $3000 dollars a pop? When you can just carry your portable around inside with you, And you can put a by directional antenna in the MWC EMS side to fix any coverage problems inside the station.
Why would you pay $3000 for any radio? Especially one that doesn't work worth a damn in all of your coverage areas to begin with. It has more problems than just 23rd st. And I don't know about you but we don't listen to handhelds in the station. There is a base that you can hear throughout the station instead of having to carry a godawful monstrosity of a brick around with you all the time.
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I've heard from a couple people at Midwest City.. both MWC Fire & someone in their Comm Center... that they are only waiting on their 800mhz portables. They made it sound like everything else is in place. I guess getting those portables might be a little higher up on the priority list now?
In re: to the damaged equipment, OCSO lost one UHF channel, MWC PD lost their UHF system(MWC UHF Ch1 & Ch2), their MCT channel, and MWC FD lost their "Alert" system... (which also includes the way they signal their tornado sirens.) MWC told me they felt confident enough in their 800mhz system that they weren't too worried about losing the UHF. It will cost from $150,000 to $200,000 to replace the damaged equipment.. and that should be within 30 days.
They were also very pleased with the interop with different agencies using the DPS system.
Man.. that's gotta suck to lose that equipment.. hopefully they'll be back up and running in no time!
In re: to the damaged equipment, OCSO lost one UHF channel, MWC PD lost their UHF system(MWC UHF Ch1 & Ch2), their MCT channel, and MWC FD lost their "Alert" system... (which also includes the way they signal their tornado sirens.) MWC told me they felt confident enough in their 800mhz system that they weren't too worried about losing the UHF. It will cost from $150,000 to $200,000 to replace the damaged equipment.. and that should be within 30 days.
They were also very pleased with the interop with different agencies using the DPS system.
Man.. that's gotta suck to lose that equipment.. hopefully they'll be back up and running in no time!
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PolarBear25
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MWC will never go back to the worthless (Flintstones) VHF,UHF systems. doing the fire Moore, Edmond,
NH FD, VFD, Bethany, Shawnee and Tecumseh all were on 7A MWC FIRE 1 with all MWC fire ops on 7B MWC FD F/G 2 and it worked fine I love this quote " 305 Edmond I tried calling Choctaw on EOC FIRE 1 and got no response what do you advice" "Midwest City fire engine 3 captain to Edmond fire 305 you will never get them there, try them on vhf if you still have those radio's in you apparatus" Bricks? the XTS 2500 are not bricks.try the HT 1000s on for size and yes both MWC police and fire and now ems are now all using the handhelds inside the all the stations with by directional antennas inside the stations.
Foster 006 your 100% right in this post. Thank you for caring. also the portables are now in some went to police, some went to fire, and the rest went to ems.
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dbestfirefighter
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Please take a RF theory class before making such an outlandish statement! Many people on this site have expressed their dislike for you and your ignorant statements. Its obvious you do not have any radio knowledge besides what you read on the internet and youtube. Your information has been discredited by more than one person on this forum. I think there is a village missing you somewhere!!!!!
BTW to stay on topic the ITAC 1 was used as well for the EOC fire
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PolarBear25
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Whatever, oh yes I see the light Antenna TV is better than cable not. VHF is and old outdated radio system from the 50's, That should be left in the past.
I am sorry do I know you because I have more knowledge than you think I have. I have used VHF,UHF, 700/800,and 900 two-way radios in my past. And yes the waiting to talk on 700,800/900 radios was uncomfortable for me at first, I but I got use to it. But over all the pros far out weight the cons when it comes to trunked radios over conventional ones.
Many persons on this forum what to see the OKWIN system die a quick death. and have a vested interest
in seeing it die, I believe this is out of fear, people can be very frighted of change .
"There is none so blind, as he who will not see"
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foster_006
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I wouldn't go so far as to say they will never use it again. They are, in fact, fixing the system. But I doubt it will get much use unless they have another major incident... or if they take another lightning strike like they did a few weeks back.
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PolarBear25
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Right or if the state's radio system goes down (not likely) , well then you will see a switch over to the UHF, VHF back ups and that is what they are back ups.
Thanks again foster 006
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I'm glad some people put that much faith in a computer driven crap... personally I don't. The more simplicity you have in emergency service equipment, the better off you are.
I understand the interoperability argument... but when you have a system that does NOT have all the bugs worked out of it, you are asking for trouble. Related to this issue, Midwest EMS missed a call the other night due to no reception in the location that they were in. How in the world can this be good???
As far as the other departments trying to raise us on county... It was during the day therefore we were on our own channel. In any case we would have been on that freq anyway being the size incident that it was to avoid tying up county. MWC set up a command post in our town (which is a no-no) (A) after we had already set command in our town and (B) well away from where they should have been and was asked to set up a unified command with us at the high school when the fire was going through Henney heading towards Choctaw Rd. They chose not to do so... and took them forever to send a brush rig and an engine back to us later that night.
We had 5 trucks in their town when Barnes Wrecker caught on fire. The same help was not even close to extended when the fire got into our town... Then on Saturday, on the Hiwassee fire, they sat up on Hiwassee first with red line pulled, not doing anything, then sat up on green oaks and pretty much watched. We wound up with 4 dozers on both sides of the road to gain access to the fire. I don't know about you but that pretty much leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
We wound up with 31 different departments on scene with this fire and had nobody killed or seriously injured. Could have been worse but could have been a whole lot better. The better part is partially due to communications but most of it is tactics. You have the bigger departments trying to tell the smaller ones what to do or how to do it because they are the "big boys" when in reality they too are in entirely over there head. Nobody does it the same and until we do there will never be true "interoperability".
I understand the interoperability argument... but when you have a system that does NOT have all the bugs worked out of it, you are asking for trouble. Related to this issue, Midwest EMS missed a call the other night due to no reception in the location that they were in. How in the world can this be good???
As far as the other departments trying to raise us on county... It was during the day therefore we were on our own channel. In any case we would have been on that freq anyway being the size incident that it was to avoid tying up county. MWC set up a command post in our town (which is a no-no) (A) after we had already set command in our town and (B) well away from where they should have been and was asked to set up a unified command with us at the high school when the fire was going through Henney heading towards Choctaw Rd. They chose not to do so... and took them forever to send a brush rig and an engine back to us later that night.
We had 5 trucks in their town when Barnes Wrecker caught on fire. The same help was not even close to extended when the fire got into our town... Then on Saturday, on the Hiwassee fire, they sat up on Hiwassee first with red line pulled, not doing anything, then sat up on green oaks and pretty much watched. We wound up with 4 dozers on both sides of the road to gain access to the fire. I don't know about you but that pretty much leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
We wound up with 31 different departments on scene with this fire and had nobody killed or seriously injured. Could have been worse but could have been a whole lot better. The better part is partially due to communications but most of it is tactics. You have the bigger departments trying to tell the smaller ones what to do or how to do it because they are the "big boys" when in reality they too are in entirely over there head. Nobody does it the same and until we do there will never be true "interoperability".
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PolarBear25
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Don't you dare blame this on Midwest City fire
All radios now a days are ran by computer when you get dispatched, the dispatcher is using a computer
"Midwest EMS missed a call the other night due to no reception in the location that they were in.'
Well I would have to see that on the report.
As far as the other departments trying to raise us on county... It was during the day therefore we were on our own channel. In any case we would have been on that freq anyway being the size incident that it was to avoid tying up county. MWC set up a command post in our town (which is a no-no) (A) after we had already set command in our town and (B) well away from where they should have been and was asked to set up a unified command with us at the high school when the fire was going through Henney heading towards Choctaw Rd. They chose not to do so... and took them forever to send a brush rig and an engine back to us later that night.
"We had 5 trucks in their town when Barnes Wrecker caught on fire. The same help was not even close to extended when the fire got into our town... Then on Saturday, on the Hiwassee fire, they sat up on Hiwassee first with red line pulled, not doing anything, then sat up on green oaks and pretty much watched. We wound up with 4 dozers on both sides of the road to gain access to the fire. I don't know about you but that pretty much leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
We wound up with 31 different departments on scene with this fire and had nobody killed or seriously injured. Could have been worse but could have been a whole lot better. The better part is partially due to communications but most of it is tactics. You have the bigger departments trying to tell the smaller ones what to do or how to do it because they are the "big boys" when in reality they too are in entirely over there head. Nobody does it the same and until we do there will never be true "interoperability"."
Ok, where to start? Oklahoma County first sent you to 29th and Choctaw you drove 206,208 (I love the new LED light system on 208 BTW) down there and then ask county of a correction, The fire started in Midwest City, So Midwest City had command, your Choctaw High school command was not needed you should of came to the 29th and Westminster command. I am so sorry Midwest City had three housing additions on fire at the time you asked for help, I guess they should have just told the home owners sorry, but Choctaw fire needs us. Midwest City is not going to send FFs in it to a tree line to stop a fire, let it burn into a open field then put it out. That is what happened Saturday. The red line was to stop/put out any house fires on Elizabeth so that is what that is all about.
"Could have been worse but could have been a whole lot better. The better part is partially due to communications but most of it is tactics. You have the bigger departments trying to tell the smaller ones what to do or how to do it because they are the "big boys" when in reality they too are in entirely over there head."
12 houses Midwest City, 58 houses Choctaw there is a fact for you. If you and N.P.F.D. had been at Barnes sooner the out come could have been a whole lot better.
The Midwest City fire guys worked there buts off and was able to talk to Edmond, Deer Creek, N.H.F.D.,
Village, Bethany, Moore, Shawnee, Tecumseh and Mustang. Ops 4 is in the state radio's at least in Midwest City radio's, the state really needs to turn those patches on soon.
On a different note I thought the Local P.D.s play well together even if Oklahoma County wanted to run the show. The show runner that day was Midwest City fire period.
All radios now a days are ran by computer when you get dispatched, the dispatcher is using a computer
"Midwest EMS missed a call the other night due to no reception in the location that they were in.'
Well I would have to see that on the report.
As far as the other departments trying to raise us on county... It was during the day therefore we were on our own channel. In any case we would have been on that freq anyway being the size incident that it was to avoid tying up county. MWC set up a command post in our town (which is a no-no) (A) after we had already set command in our town and (B) well away from where they should have been and was asked to set up a unified command with us at the high school when the fire was going through Henney heading towards Choctaw Rd. They chose not to do so... and took them forever to send a brush rig and an engine back to us later that night.
"We had 5 trucks in their town when Barnes Wrecker caught on fire. The same help was not even close to extended when the fire got into our town... Then on Saturday, on the Hiwassee fire, they sat up on Hiwassee first with red line pulled, not doing anything, then sat up on green oaks and pretty much watched. We wound up with 4 dozers on both sides of the road to gain access to the fire. I don't know about you but that pretty much leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
We wound up with 31 different departments on scene with this fire and had nobody killed or seriously injured. Could have been worse but could have been a whole lot better. The better part is partially due to communications but most of it is tactics. You have the bigger departments trying to tell the smaller ones what to do or how to do it because they are the "big boys" when in reality they too are in entirely over there head. Nobody does it the same and until we do there will never be true "interoperability"."
Ok, where to start? Oklahoma County first sent you to 29th and Choctaw you drove 206,208 (I love the new LED light system on 208 BTW) down there and then ask county of a correction, The fire started in Midwest City, So Midwest City had command, your Choctaw High school command was not needed you should of came to the 29th and Westminster command. I am so sorry Midwest City had three housing additions on fire at the time you asked for help, I guess they should have just told the home owners sorry, but Choctaw fire needs us. Midwest City is not going to send FFs in it to a tree line to stop a fire, let it burn into a open field then put it out. That is what happened Saturday. The red line was to stop/put out any house fires on Elizabeth so that is what that is all about.
"Could have been worse but could have been a whole lot better. The better part is partially due to communications but most of it is tactics. You have the bigger departments trying to tell the smaller ones what to do or how to do it because they are the "big boys" when in reality they too are in entirely over there head."
12 houses Midwest City, 58 houses Choctaw there is a fact for you. If you and N.P.F.D. had been at Barnes sooner the out come could have been a whole lot better.
The Midwest City fire guys worked there buts off and was able to talk to Edmond, Deer Creek, N.H.F.D.,
Village, Bethany, Moore, Shawnee, Tecumseh and Mustang. Ops 4 is in the state radio's at least in Midwest City radio's, the state really needs to turn those patches on soon.
On a different note I thought the Local P.D.s play well together even if Oklahoma County wanted to run the show. The show runner that day was Midwest City fire period.
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But our radios can be controlled manually, there is the difference. I can show you the report with the delayed response and the recorded radio traffic (or lack of in this case). I don't understand how you are so against older technology... It worked for many years and still works. I really don't know how you can be so clouded thinking that they could and did do no wrong... We weren't perfect either but nothing ever is. Also I am not laying the blame squarely on MWC, At least not on the firefighters themselves. The command staff on the other hand...
So the fact that half our town was on fire and that doesn't justify us setting command? Yeah right... And do you wanna know who saved most of their houses? The county departments. Who brought in outside water when two of our wells were damaged? County departments. Who had the best location to stage equipment and keep track of it? We did. Who has the better experience with grass fires? Definitely not a City/Suburban department. As hard as it is for you to believe, yes we actually did do quite a bit right.
Stopping the grass fire was our first priority and it tied up a lot of resources. Did it kill us in the number of houses lost? Sure it did but if you let the fire go, then you lose even more. If it had gotten out of that valley we would have been chasing it to Lincoln Co. You have to deal with the main problem at hand and that's precisely what we did by setting our own command. Bottom line is we did what we had to do and got it done. You can second guess all you want but we saved a lot more than we lost.
So the fact that half our town was on fire and that doesn't justify us setting command? Yeah right... And do you wanna know who saved most of their houses? The county departments. Who brought in outside water when two of our wells were damaged? County departments. Who had the best location to stage equipment and keep track of it? We did. Who has the better experience with grass fires? Definitely not a City/Suburban department. As hard as it is for you to believe, yes we actually did do quite a bit right.
Stopping the grass fire was our first priority and it tied up a lot of resources. Did it kill us in the number of houses lost? Sure it did but if you let the fire go, then you lose even more. If it had gotten out of that valley we would have been chasing it to Lincoln Co. You have to deal with the main problem at hand and that's precisely what we did by setting our own command. Bottom line is we did what we had to do and got it done. You can second guess all you want but we saved a lot more than we lost.
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