PA State Police Struggle with OpenSky Issues

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Florida open sky woes

Maybe someone in Pa should investigate the Open Sky system here?
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - The Office of Inspector General for Palm Beach County released an audit today of the OpenSky public safety radio system. They decided to look into the issue, after a number of problems were identified with the system.


Inspector General finds problems with police radios, contract and tax dollars wasted



Inspector General’s OpenSky police radio report: 69% of officers reported problems | West Palm Beat blog | The Palm Beach Post
 

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Have heard PSP Media and Embreeville intermittantly using VHF. Odd though, sounds like they changed the call systems to all numerics. Used to be "Embreeville to Embreeville 5" or "Media to Media 10", etc...
Back in the 70's when PSP switched from VHF-lo to VHF-hi, they ID the bases by their troop letter/number and cars also used the same seq plus car number. Meadville would be E5, car 20 of Meadville would be E5-20.
 

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My email to Pa Auditor General

Dear Auditor General Wagner:

I want to bring your attention to a serious issue which endangers public safety and the lives of State Troopers. It's the Open Sky 800 MHz radio system that has been deployed.

Please review the following TV report.
$600 million radio investment leaves police hearing dead air | Investigations - WTAE Home

As a ham radio operator, licensed by the FCC, I have been following the radio system deployment. First the Open Sky system is NOT using the national standard for radio transmissions which is called Project 25. See: Project 25 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia What does this mean for the state taxpayers? In my opinion, a lot. The Open Sky system is propriety. That means when it comes time to buy new radios or supporting equipment the purchase can NOT be put out to bid. Why? Only one radio company, Harris, has the patent on Open Sky. Getting back to Project 25. Lets say that State Police decided to reconfigure their system for Project 25. They can bid on and then buy P25 radios from a variety of vendors, Motorola (Harris DOES make a p25 radio) Relm, GE, just about anyone. Under the current system without bidding that's like saying I have a radio and TV station. I will not be using the national standard to broadcast my programming. If you want to see/hear us you will have to buy the TV/radio set from us!


One of the main potential problems is the so called "cell sites" that will be used. They are used to "fill in" dead spots that the tower sites can not reach. In Pa most of those cell sites are connected by phone lines! In bad weather if the phone lines are pulled down or receive such damage---the cell site is useless.

Pa's Open Sky system is 10 years behind schedule, as it was supposed to be online in 2001. The cost has risen from an original 179 million to 380 million. Also there is word that in coming years the State will be going to an Open Sky 2 format. My information is that thousands of new radios will have to be purchased.


I also reviewed the state documentation of how the bid for a whole new radio system was awarded and am hoping the State Auditor General investigates. An example: The state asked the prospective vendors to supply three OPERATING systems that each vendor had deployed. Ma/Com, which was bought out by Harris, put down Fed Ex twice and the third, the Orange County California Transit Authority. The problem: At the time the OCTA radio system was not OPERATING and the radios were not even installed in the buses.

There also appears to be something defiantly flawed in the system as a whole. Please review the following link which show similar problems using Open Sky in other jurisdictions.

Inspector General finds problems with police radios, contract and tax dollars wasted


Las Vegas police dump problem radio system - News - ReviewJournal.com


I respectfully ask that a full performance audit be done on the system before a civilian or trooper is severely hurt or killed because of a problem plagued radio system.
 

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Well said "brey1234" - I can only hope that Middlesex County, NJ reads this, as they are sold on OpenSky for their next version of the so called "county radio system".

Excellent points and proof included!
 

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PA State Police Struggle with Open Sky Issues

I see that in Franklin County all cars, Marked and Unmarked, now have a base loaded whip antenna in the middle of the trunk lid. Anyone know what this is for? I guess it could be for UHF high band or CB or UHF low band. I don't remember the old UHF Low band frequencies so I Can't monitor them to see.
 

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that antenna has been being put on all the cars around including here in the northeast part of the state along with uhf 1/4 wave antennas on the roof i think the one mounted on the trunk if for there new/upgraded vhf system.
 

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I see that in Franklin County all cars, Marked and Unmarked, now have a base loaded whip antenna in the middle of the trunk lid. Anyone know what this is for? I guess it could be for UHF high band or CB or UHF low band. I don't remember the old UHF Low band frequencies so I Can't monitor them to see.

Doubtful, they would use the VHF Low Band as this was one of the first systems PSP used to the best of my knowledge.

42.160
42.520
42.560
42.600 PSP BasetoBase
42.620 PSP Mobile-to-Mobile
42.780
 

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They are 5/8 wave VHF antennas. Looks like they decided to use those instead of the quarter wave VHF they used previously.
 

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Btw are there any PSP units that have any low band radios for interops with local police that still use low band?
 

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Security at the Limerick Power Plant do radio checks with PSP Skippack every morning around 5am on the VHF m/m 154.755 freq - pl 186.0. PSP had a great system while on VHF high band. Here in Berks county there were very few dead spots, and with the portable repeater capability on the 154.755 freq; their portables worked just about anywhere in the county. The whole reason for narrowbanding is due to the fact that these 700/800MHz systems just don't cut it. The original reason for going to 800MHz was to free up all the conventional freqs for other users; but as time told, the trunk systems surely aren't working out as the vendors bragged them up to be. Now everybody wants to keep their conventional freqs as back-ups or even as primary use. With the threat of terrorism today, and how easy it is to take out towers in these trunk systems, you wonder why anyone would be so STUPID to keep investing in them. It's just ludicrous to put all your resources on one radio system only to have it fail and be without comms. Hello ham radio operators to the rescue! I can't wait to see Berks County's 700MHz piece of junk system coming online - if it ever does; now it's suppose to be operational by the end of 2013. The original cost was to be 42 million, now it's approaching 50 million. Until all is said and done it will probably be costing close to if not over 100 million. They could have stayed with what they have and upgraded to narrowband and added some mobile or base relays for less than 25 million; and the kicker is they want to keep much of their conventional freqs for back-up anyway. The communications director sent a letter to the FCC that they don't have the money to narrowband most of their conventional freqs as it is all being spent on the new 700MHz system. LOL!
 

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I can't wait to see Berks County's 700MHz piece of junk system coming online - if it ever does; now it's suppose to be operational by the end of 2013. The original cost was to be 42 million, now it's approaching 50 million. Until all is said and done it will probably be costing close to if not over 100 million. They could have stayed with what they have and upgraded to narrowband and added some mobile or base relays for less than 25 million; and the kicker is they want to keep much of their conventional freqs for back-up anyway. The communications director sent a letter to the FCC that they don't have the money to narrowband most of their conventional freqs as it is all being spent on the new 700MHz system. LOL!


Good luck on that request. My bet is they don't get the waiver.
 

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ok i have not really been keeping up with the psp open sky nightmare in my area philly/ delaware county are they using the vhf backup or opensky and if they are using the vhf backup does anyone have the frequencies and pl tones for the system

In the Philly area, comms are 99% OpenSky.

Anything that comes across the VHF would be on frequencies already listed in the database. But, you're not gonna hear much. Now and then PSP Media will use the old Channel C if someone is in an 800 deadspot or a tower is down.
 

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ok i have not really been keeping up with the psp open sky nightmare in my area philly/ delaware county are they using the vhf backup or opensky and if they are using the vhf backup does anyone have the frequencies and pl tones for the system

I get nothing but occasional static on the old frequencies, I have them in, just in case ....


PSP Phila Dispatch .......... 155.670000
PSP Phila cars .................. 155.910000
PSP Media Dispatch ......... 155.505000
PSP Media cars .............. . 155.850000
PSP car to car ........... ....... 154.755000
 

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Has Pennsylvania gotten any narrow banding waivers or is the PSP VHF system illegal at the moment until the narrow banding is complete?


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