ks4ui
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I can receive Peoria PD Dispatch but none of the other talk groups, are they encrypted?
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Phoenix805
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I have Peoria PD A1 programmed in and have heard activity on it, but I have it locked out because I have other things I'd rather listen to. I was going to program some more TGs and listen, but I see Peoria PD has 42 TGs and I don't feel like entering them all when I won't listen to them anyway.
This brings 2 questions to mind:
Do you have all the talk groups programmed (and listening to the correct system)?
If you do, you should be able to answer your own question.... are they encrypted?
ks4ui
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I am using a HomePatrol radio and am using all of the talk groups the radio only came with 12 talk groups, A1, A10, A11, A16, C2 through C9. Know they use some encryption up here so figured the Uniden folks only push the unencrypted channels to the radio.
Yes, I am on the RWC, have plenty of comm time myself, just new to this area of the country, decided to turn to locals on this one. Think I will take a look at the RR data base talk groups.
Retired, here have a nice day.
Yes, I am on the RWC, have plenty of comm time myself, just new to this area of the country, decided to turn to locals on this one. Think I will take a look at the RR data base talk groups.
Retired, here
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Well after taking a look at the RR database it appears that Peoria PD have a ton of talk groups that are encrypted, 8 of the 16 channels in Zone A are encrypted, only to be follow by many more. It looks as if they can encrypt all channels at the flip of a switch so I better not start complaining eh?
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A-1 (Dispatch) and A-4 (Events) are the only two active clear talkgroups. A-6 (Metro) is rarely used. The rest are encrypted or currently unused. If you do a search through the Arizona forum here, you'll find another 2-3 threads with more detailed info on Peoria PD and the city services, including the conventional channels in the A/B/C decks, such as the three backup repeaters for use in the event the RWC crashes.
I like to use the White Tanks IR site to monitor A-1, as it is much more easily received than Simulcast G.
A-4, however, I believe, is only carried on G, and isn't quite as easily received. It is mainly used for traffic control at CCV on weekends, or during special events at the stadium, such as Cactus League Spring Traing baseball.
A-1 (Dispatch) and A-4 (Events) are the only two active clear talkgroups. A-6 (Metro) is rarely used. The rest are encrypted or currently unused. If you do a search through the Arizona forum here, you'll find another 2-3 threads with more detailed info on Peoria PD and the city services, including the conventional channels in the A/B/C decks, such as the three backup repeaters for use in the event the RWC crashes.
I like to use the White Tanks IR site to monitor A-1, as it is much more easily received than Simulcast G.
A-4, however, I believe, is only carried on G, and isn't quite as easily received. It is mainly used for traffic control at CCV on weekends, or during special events at the stadium, such as Cactus League Spring Traing baseball.
Phoenix805
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A couple of thoughts/comments......
I don't know much about the Home Patrol scanner (I've heard both good and bad). It would make sense to me that if they know channels (talk groups) are encrypted, they wouldn't put them in the scanner. Yes, unfortunately, a lot more agencies are going encrypted. Sad for our hobby. I can see pros and cons of that too, but encryption has been talked to death on these threads and so far about all it's done is get people aggravated! No use getting that started again.
I am curious as to where you found in the RR data base which TGs are encrypted. The page I'm looking at shows A 1 to 11 and 16, B 1 to 11 and 16, and C 1 to 11 and 16. (I don't know what happened to 12-15!) It doesn't say anything about encryption.
You mentioned the 12 TGs you have, I think I'll go ahead and enter those 12 in mine and listen for a few days and see what I hear. I'll let you know later this week.
I don't know much about the Home Patrol scanner (I've heard both good and bad). It would make sense to me that if they know channels (talk groups) are encrypted, they wouldn't put them in the scanner. Yes, unfortunately, a lot more agencies are going encrypted. Sad for our hobby. I can see pros and cons of that too, but encryption has been talked to death on these threads and so far about all it's done is get people aggravated! No use getting that started again.
I am curious as to where you found in the RR data base which TGs are encrypted. The page I'm looking at shows A 1 to 11 and 16, B 1 to 11 and 16, and C 1 to 11 and 16. (I don't know what happened to 12-15!) It doesn't say anything about encryption.
You mentioned the 12 TGs you have, I think I'll go ahead and enter those 12 in mine and listen for a few days and see what I hear. I'll let you know later this week.
Regional Wireless Cooperative (RWC) Trunking System, Phoenix, Arizona - Scanner Frequencies
Scroll down to see Peoria Police Talkgroups.
Phoenix805
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That's what keeps me confused. Why would they put A1 on White Tanks and Simul G, and put A4 on G but not White Tanks? I wish I had a little better understanding of their thought process!
Phoenix805
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Mode: D/E DUH, right in front of my eyes, no wonder I couldn't find it.
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My guess is, Peoria's A-1 can potentially be used outside the coverage area of G, or even any other Simulcast, such as Simulcast B. A-4 however, is for special events within the city itself, so there's no real reason to put it on a wide-area site like the White Tanks.
Glendale PD'S A-1 and A-4 are on B & G. A-11/12/13 & 14 I think are only on G.
El Mirage A-1 is only on G.
Surprise A-1 is on G & White Tanks. I've not heard A-6, their only other clear talkgroup.
I really wish GPD and EMPD were also on White Tanks, as G (and B) are difficult to receive due to the simulcast multi-path interference issues.
Avondale PD is on G (and possibly J, I'm not sure) and I believe Buckeye PD is on G, J and (at least sometimes) White Tanks. Again, I wish Avondale was on White Tanks.
My guess is, Peoria's A-1 can potentially be used outside the coverage area of G, or even any other Simulcast, such as Simulcast B. A-4 however, is for special events within the city itself, so there's no real reason to put it on a wide-area site like the White Tanks.
Glendale PD'S A-1 and A-4 are on B & G. A-11/12/13 & 14 I think are only on G.
El Mirage A-1 is only on G.
Surprise A-1 is on G & White Tanks. I've not heard A-6, their only other clear talkgroup.
I really wish GPD and EMPD were also on White Tanks, as G (and B) are difficult to receive due to the simulcast multi-path interference issues.
Avondale PD is on G (and possibly J, I'm not sure) and I believe Buckeye PD is on G, J and (at least sometimes) White Tanks. Again, I wish Avondale was on White Tanks.
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Peoria PD:
A-1: 4141 Dispatch
A-4: 4138 Events
A-6: 4126 Metro
A-12: 769.05625 National 1 (Nationwide Itinerant Simplex)
A-13: 866.0125 I-Call Repeater (CTCSS 156.7)
A-14: 855.2125 Backup A Repeater (CTCSS 146.2)
A-15: 855.2125 Backup A Simplex
A-16: 4130 Citywide Common
B-1: 4129 Dispatch (Future)
B-4: 4126 Events
B-6: 4124 Metro
B-12: 769.06875 National 2 (see above)
B-13: 4105 Events
B-14: 855.7125 Backup B Repeater (CTCSS 162.2)
B-15: 855.7125 Simplex
B-16: 4118 Citywide Common
C-1: 4117 Dispatch (Future)
C-4: 4114 Events
C-6: 4112 Metro
C-12: 774.99375 National 3 (see above)
C-13: 4104 Events
C-14: 855.4625 Backup C Repeater (CTCSS 127.3)
C-15: 855.4625 Simplex
C-16: 4106 EOC
At some point in the future, the PD will split the city into 3 parts: North, Central and South, and the A, B and C-decks will each be assigned to one of those parts. At this point, only a few of the encrypted B & C-deck talkgroups are used around and outside the city.
Peoria PD:
A-1: 4141 Dispatch
A-4: 4138 Events
A-6: 4126 Metro
A-12: 769.05625 National 1 (Nationwide Itinerant Simplex)
A-13: 866.0125 I-Call Repeater (CTCSS 156.7)
A-14: 855.2125 Backup A Repeater (CTCSS 146.2)
A-15: 855.2125 Backup A Simplex
A-16: 4130 Citywide Common
B-1: 4129 Dispatch (Future)
B-4: 4126 Events
B-6: 4124 Metro
B-12: 769.06875 National 2 (see above)
B-13: 4105 Events
B-14: 855.7125 Backup B Repeater (CTCSS 162.2)
B-15: 855.7125 Simplex
B-16: 4118 Citywide Common
C-1: 4117 Dispatch (Future)
C-4: 4114 Events
C-6: 4112 Metro
C-12: 774.99375 National 3 (see above)
C-13: 4104 Events
C-14: 855.4625 Backup C Repeater (CTCSS 127.3)
C-15: 855.4625 Simplex
C-16: 4106 EOC
At some point in the future, the PD will split the city into 3 parts: North, Central and South, and the A, B and C-decks will each be assigned to one of those parts. At this point, only a few of the encrypted B & C-deck talkgroups are used around and outside the city.
Phoenix805
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That makes sense, thanks.
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Looking at the listing for White Tanks, if it really does only have the four frequencies listed, seems that if too many talk groups were allowed there that they would be butting heads with each other, fighting for available frequencies.
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White Tanks IR on RWC has 4 control channel, 5 voice channels, and 1 ID channel for a total of 10 If all 5 voice channels are in use the Alternate control channels and ID channel will be used.
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Peoria PD encryption
For those of you wanting to know which Peoria PD talk groups are encrypted. Take a look at the RR data base, some of the talk groups and an e and some have a d, these designators stand for e encryption and d digital (unencrypted).
For those of you wanting to know which Peoria PD talk groups are encrypted. Take a look at the RR data base, some of the talk groups and an e and some have a d, these designators stand for e encryption and d digital (unencrypted).
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Most of the simulcast and IR sites have 2 control channels and 2 alternate control channels. Simulcast J apparantly only has 3 control channels. I don't know how many voice channels each site has.
If you look at my earlier post, I listed all the unencrypted talkgroups (and the conventional channels not in the database, because I can't submit them using my phone) in Peoria PD's A, B and C-decks. That's what you want to program into your scanner.
BTW, A/B/C-12, the national itinerants, are P25. I don't know the NAC.
D-deck has a couple of encrypted talkgroups. I don't know what they are.
E-deck has 16 of the 40 city service talkgroups. I don't know which 16.
F-deck is Glendale PD A-1 through A-16.
G-deck is the unencrypted interop deck.
H-deck is the encyrpted interop deck.
I-deck is the 8AIRS-AZ and 8Tacs (both repeater and simplex), as well as four 700MHz frequencies known as SPETAC's. These may (or may not) be: 765.15625, 765.21875, 765.65625 and 765.71875.
They also have fire's K-deck in their radios, with Peoria FD's K-2 through K-5 in place of Phoenix FD's K-2 through K-5.
Most of the simulcast and IR sites have 2 control channels and 2 alternate control channels. Simulcast J apparantly only has 3 control channels. I don't know how many voice channels each site has.
If you look at my earlier post, I listed all the unencrypted talkgroups (and the conventional channels not in the database, because I can't submit them using my phone) in Peoria PD's A, B and C-decks. That's what you want to program into your scanner.
BTW, A/B/C-12, the national itinerants, are P25. I don't know the NAC.
D-deck has a couple of encrypted talkgroups. I don't know what they are.
E-deck has 16 of the 40 city service talkgroups. I don't know which 16.
F-deck is Glendale PD A-1 through A-16.
G-deck is the unencrypted interop deck.
H-deck is the encyrpted interop deck.
I-deck is the 8AIRS-AZ and 8Tacs (both repeater and simplex), as well as four 700MHz frequencies known as SPETAC's. These may (or may not) be: 765.15625, 765.21875, 765.65625 and 765.71875.
They also have fire's K-deck in their radios, with Peoria FD's K-2 through K-5 in place of Phoenix FD's K-2 through K-5.
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I don't know if it was in fact Peoria PD using it, however, 774.99375 (Peoria PD's C-12) has been active this morning. The NAC was 293, and it was encrypted.
This is one of the 3 nationwide itinerants.
Just fyi.
I don't know if it was in fact Peoria PD using it, however, 774.99375 (Peoria PD's C-12) has been active this morning. The NAC was 293, and it was encrypted.
This is one of the 3 nationwide itinerants.
Just fyi.
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