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Police Communication Problems During Officer's Shooting Prompt Investigation

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Their Radio System in it's entirety didn't go out, their Console Computer rebooted for "apparently NO reason." Folcroft says this is the first time their Computer rebooted on its own. Who else here has inspected the radios in the first 13 post, no one, just subjective views that included calling a company out of it's name (showings someones detest/clear and blatant subjectivity).. Silly analysis by numerous people blaming radios, when it could have very well been caused by human error, (since that's also the main culprit right here in this thread). The System has many components, if the computer rebooted, then see: there's your answer! So why did the computer reboot???
 

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Their Radio System in it's entirety didn't go out, their Console Computer rebooted for "apparently NO reason." Folcroft says this is the first time their Computer rebooted on its own. Who else here has inspected the radios in the first 13 post, no one, just subjective views that included calling a company out of it's name (showings someones detest/clear and blatant subjectivity).. Silly analysis by numerous people blaming radios, when it could have very well been caused by human error, (since that's also the main culprit right here in this thread). The System has many components, if the computer rebooted, then see: there's your answer! So why did the computer reboot???

Possible culprits:

Microsoft forced updates (DOH!)
UPS Batteries bad
Cosmic Rays causing single event upsets to RAM
Bad CPU Hardware, PS. Mobo, fans, etc.
Bad Luck
Loose Wires
Bad Code
Pepsi in Keyboard Syndrome
 
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You forgot one, a little personal 1500w heater (with rheostat/thermostat) under dispatchers desk, for piggy toe frostbite protection.
 

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You forgot one, a little personal 1500w heater (with rheostat/thermostat) under dispatchers desk, for piggy toe frostbite protection.

Yup you are right, those are usually plugged right into the small UPS on top of taxing the HVAC for the Comm Center! We had a secretary plug one of those in a tiny UPS and the fire and sparks were just amazing!
 

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A computer rebooting is only one instance of possible outages, the article mentions: "But computer issues aren't the only problem with emergency communications: Officials in Delaware County told NBC10's Cydney Long that sometimes, when the weather changes from warm to cool, radio frequencies go out for short periods of time".

Apparently they haven't had a very savy radio person go over the system to see what's going on yet.
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Their Radio System in it's entirety didn't go out, their Console Computer rebooted for "apparently NO reason." Folcroft says this is the first time their Computer rebooted on its own. Who else here has inspected the radios in the first 13 post, no one, just subjective views that included calling a company out of it's name (showings someones detest/clear and blatant subjectivity).. Silly analysis by numerous people blaming radios, when it could have very well been caused by human error, (since that's also the main culprit right here in this thread). The System has many components, if the computer rebooted, then see: there's your answer! So why did the computer reboot???
 

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Computer system rebooted…sounds like Windows updates forced reboot…not that it was just sounds like.

I'm not big on running Windows for long periods of time between reboots. I tend to use Linux for that (which is why I sometimes stray from computer based dispatch in public safety operations) or offer a backup terminal.

As far as Baofengs and LE goes, if it can't be used as a defensive weapon and still work afterwords, it has no business being on a beat.


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Computer system rebooted…sounds like Windows updates forced reboot…not that it was just sounds like.

I'm not big on running Windows for long periods of time between reboots. I tend to use Linux for that (which is why I sometimes stray from computer based dispatch in public safety operations) or offer a backup terminal.

As far as Baofengs and LE goes, if it can't be used as a defensive weapon and still work afterwords, it has no business being on a beat.


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Very eloquent way to put it, and spot on. If it cannot survive being used as an impact device, a radio has no business on the beat with you.

I don't say that just for BaoFeng's, but for all radios in general.



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A computer rebooting is only one instance of possible outages, the article mentions: "But computer issues aren't the only problem with emergency communications: Officials in Delaware County told NBC10's Cydney Long that sometimes, when the weather changes from warm to cool, radio frequencies go out for short periods of time".

Apparently they haven't had a very savy radio person go over the system to see what's going on yet.
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Tropo Ducting? What are the exact input and output frequencies of this system? What is the system callsign?
 

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Ask Lancaster County Pa what ducting from DC area Digital Television has caused!

It also happened in Ocean County, NJ:

"PUBLIC SAFETY AND HOMELAND SECURITY BUREAU SEEKS COMMENT ON REQUEST FOR WAIVER FILED BY OCEAN COUNTY, NEW JERSEY TO MODIFY ITS PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATIONS SYSTEM BY ADDING FREQUENCIES FROM THE UHF TELEVISION CHANNEL 15 BAND (476-482 MHz)

File Nos. 0003047481 and 0003047654

Comment Date: April 30, 2009
Reply Comment Date: May 11, 2009

The Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau seeks comment on the above-captioned applications and waiver request, as amended, initially filed on May 31, 2007 by Ocean County, New Jersey (“Ocean County” or “the County”). Ocean County seeks waiver relief of Sections 90.303, 90.305, 90.307, 90.309, and 90.311 of the Commission’s rules, 47 C.F.R. §§ 90.303, 90.305, 90.307, 90.309, 90.311, pursuant to Section 337(c) of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended, 47 U.S.C. § 337(c), to use, for public safety communications purposes, twelve frequency pairs from the UHF Television (TV) Channel 15 band (476-482 MHz). The applications seek to modify Ocean County’s licenses for public safety Stations WIL552 and WPXC650, which are authorized on frequencies in the TV Channel 20 band (506-512 MHz). In the alternative to Section 337(c) of the Act, Ocean County requests waiver relief pursuant to Section 1.925 of the Commission’s rules, 47 C.F.R. § 1.925.

Ocean County states that since it placed Stations WIL552 and WPXC650 in service, “it has received harmful interference from [TV Channel 20] station WTXX-TV in Waterbury, Connecticut.” The County states that it “has also experienced more severe interference from [digital TV (DTV) Channel 20] station WCVB-DTV in Boston, Massachusetts.” The County states, “[t]his interference has been sporadic in nature, occurring primarily during periods when ‘Atmospheric Ducting’ conditions exist.” Due to the digital nature of DTV Station WCVB’s transmissions, the County avers that “interference from WCVB-DTV has been severe enough that it has effectively rendered the County’s UHF-T band trunking system inaccessible to its users for hours at a time.” Ocean County provided documentation of ducting interference incidents since 2002 that adversely affected its public safety communications system.
The County reports that its 2000 population was 510,916 and, during the summer months, the population “increases by approximately 200,000 from its year-round population due to the influx of vacationers.” The County is home to two military installations, a nuclear power plant, and three major highways that traverse the County. “A large portion of the County borders the Atlantic Ocean,” subjecting the County to “hurricanes and other severe weather events that can place a strain on its public safety resources.” Ocean County notes that “it is critical that Ocean County and the communities within and around it have effective, interoperable public safety communications.”
The Commission’s rules provide that frequencies allocated in the 470-512 MHz band (TV Channels 14-20) are available for assignment to private land mobile radio service (PLMRS) stations, including public safety stations, on a geographically-shared basis with TV broadcast stations in eleven urbanized areas of the United States. The frequencies sought for use by Ocean County are part of TV Channel 15, which is available for PLMRS use in the New York, New York/Northeast New Jersey urbanized area. Section 90.305(a) requires that PLMRS base stations must be located within eighty kilometers (fifty miles) of the geographic centers of the urban areas listed in Section 90.303. Ocean County requests a waiver of these rules to permit it to operate certain base stations on TV Channel 15 frequencies at locations more than eighty kilometers from the geographic center of the New York urbanized area. It also requests a waiver of Section 90.307(d) to allow its proposed base stations to be short-spaced to adjacent-channel Class A TV Station WTSD-CA, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, operating on TV Channel 14. Finally, Ocean County requests a waiver of Section 90.309 (Table D) to allow three of its proposed base stations to be short-spaced to a co-channel TV Station WLYH, Lancaster/Lebanon, Pennsylvania, operating on TV Channel 1"
 

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It also happened in Ocean County, NJ
It's happened to MOST of the users. Some of these communities, like Ocean County are fortunate to have RF people who recognized the potential issues early on and were able to take countermeasures. The biggest countermeasure Ocean County has taken was to begin migration to a 700 MHz system. I'm guessing it's built out and getting loaded. I recall it being new in 1998 and still getting loaded around the summer of 2001.

Ocean County did get this waiver and you can see those frequencies in the database.

TV has been pulled off of where everyone is migrating to on 700. The unfortunate part of that is that it's a "forklift upgrade," meaning very little, if any, of the original system can be reused. The rest gets forklifted out.

I don't think the Chinese radio had anything to do with the issue whatsoever. It was just an unfortunate prop (along with "ducking"). Unfortunately for any fans of them, these inexpensive radios will probably be obsoleted with any move to a more advanced system.
 

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Sad ... No Leo or any public safety responder should EVER have to use a POS chinacom piece of crap for safety of life comms, nor should they be allowed to. :( 73, n9zas

And if your department has too few radios or the ones that they have are in bad condition?

This has been the case with a life flight crew in my area and apparently a land based ambulance company too.
 

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And if your department has too few radios or the ones that they have are in bad condition?

This has been the case with a life flight crew in my area and apparently a land based ambulance company too.
IF any agency has a budget so low that they can't afford to equip their department, then they need to ask for a budget increase or donations ... or quit. Poor equipment choices lead to poor performance, mistakes or worse. :( 73, n9zas
 

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IF any agency has a budget so low that they can't afford to equip their department, then they need to ask for a budget increase or donations ... or quit. Poor equipment choices lead to poor performance, mistakes or worse. :( 73, n9zas

Trade in that new Bell for a Vietnam era Huey…
 

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Any electronic device has the potential for failure. Some brands and models of radios have a longer track record of reliability. Some brands and models have much shorter track records. Some brands and models are built to a lower price point which may result in the use of less reliable components or construction methods.

No radio communications system is 100% reliable. No radio communications system is immune from failures of individual radios. However, a lot of reliability issues and equipment failures can be traced to shoddy installation, poor or non-existent maintenance, or ineffective user training.
 

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. However, a lot of reliability issues and equipment failures can be traced to shoddy installation, poor or non-existent maintenance, or ineffective user training.

And or piss poor design.....

Only as good as the weakest link.
 
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