I also apologize if I was short in my tone to you. Don't mean to be rude at all. As far as I know though, the PSR-800 is fully Phase II compliant and has been since they came out with it. If someone can help me understand why it's not I certainly will be willing to listen but from what I've seen there's many folks out there using it on new Phase II systems without the Whistler upgrade and having no issues.
PSR-800 Harris P25 Phase 2 Help Please
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Phase 1 / C4FM cch is not uncommon on Phase 2 systems, but it's usually implemented on single site or multicast systems. Your problem is a radio not (really) designed for Phase 2 simulcast, but the PSR-800 will work if conditions are optimal at your monitoring site. This also is a Harris system, which brings its own issues. I cannot say why the radios were working, then suddenly stopped other than maybe some tower sites were still Phase 1 during the transition.
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One other note. Since it's a Harris P25 system, you have to enter ALL of the frequencies as CC's. Harris P25 systems are known for switching CC freq's on a daily or weekly basis.
You mentioned that 1.9 was the last firmware. When I upgraded the firmware it shows 2.0. Do you think that may be an issue
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No need to apologize, I didn't sense any tone or rudeness in your reply. We're all very passionate with our hobby and most of all our scanners! That's what's great about RR, we get to discuss our assumptions, speculations, suspecisions, fears, doubts, wishes and ideas!
After adding a new system with just the CC's my friend is advising that he is picking up the system now on his Pro-668. That's at least positive news so far for him. He still isn't getting anything on the TRX at this point. I am a little concerned about my firmware. I have done so much that I can't recall the order that I did things in now.
I think I may have upgraded both of the unit's firmware because I bricked 1 during one of my uploads. I was on 1.8 I believe before (possibly when it was working)
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1.9 was supposed to be the last GRE firmware upgrade per DonS. Maybe that changed.
Just for grins I went to the current PSR-800 WiKi page and it has WOU 2.0 as the last upgrade. WOU is Whistler Official Upgrade. If there was a Firmware version that addressed Phase 2, I'm sure it would have been noted. I'm not seeing any Firmware versions addressing Phase 2.
You mentioned that a friend with a PRO-668 was able to get the Phase 2 to work. If I was you, I'd ask your friend to spell out exactly which Freq's he or she entered as CC's and try loading those into your scanner. At this point I'd think it's worth a shot.
Just for grins I went to the current PSR-800 WiKi page and it has WOU 2.0 as the last upgrade. WOU is Whistler Official Upgrade. If there was a Firmware version that addressed Phase 2, I'm sure it would have been noted. I'm not seeing any Firmware versions addressing Phase 2.
You mentioned that a friend with a PRO-668 was able to get the Phase 2 to work. If I was you, I'd ask your friend to spell out exactly which Freq's he or she entered as CC's and try loading those into your scanner. At this point I'd think it's worth a shot.
Funnily I gave him the freqs..
I had him set up a new site with just 155.4300, 155.3550 and 151.2800 and it started working for him. I just did the same on mine and it's still silent
budevans
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Does you're friend have Pro96com? If he does, ask him to run it for this system. Have him post or send to you a screen shot of the first page which should show all of the frequencies in use. Once you get that, you should run Pro96com and compare what you are seeing verses what his picture shows. If your scanner doesn't have the same freq's that his does. I would set your scanner to have the same freq's he has.
I am kicking myself because I upgraded both units I had to the 2.0 firmware and I think it may have been when I was still on 1.8 when it worked. I happened to find my copy of the "beta version 1.7" and downgraded one unit to 1.7. Scanner still works fine but still dead on this system. I wonder if anyone out there has 1.8 that I could try to put back on it. I hate that I didn't write down what steps I have done in the process!
I apologize if this is a stupid question but if a scanner is capable of receiving Phase II communications, can you scan the frequencies conventionally and hear audio? I know this was possible with Phase I but I'm not sure a scanner could interpret the right slot for Phase II when conventionally scanning the frequency. The reason I ask is that once we switched over, I distinctly remember hearing audio on one of the new channels when I was looking for the new control channel. The more I think about it, I'm not sure that the traffic and subsequent reception for a while wasn't Phase I on the system initially.
Your friend with the TRX-1 and PRO668 did finally get it to work after adding the third frequency you provided. So, it's not a system issue and that leaves scanner/programming issue. Perhaps you should try deleting the system and adding it again, see if that helps.
@budevans asked/suggested - "Does you're friend have Pro96com? If he does, ask him to run it for this system. Have him post or send to you a screen shot of the first page which should show all of the frequencies in use."
Unfortunately his friend lives in Raleigh and was only visiting Franklin county when he tried to pick up traffic.
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I have even gone as far as formatting the SD card, resetting the scanner to defaults, reloading the CPU and DSP firmware, creating a brand new config with just that 1 new system in it manually entered not from RR with the correct info. I'm beginning to think that what I thought initially was Phase II was only Phase I. From what I understand, you can't conventionally scan frequencies that are carrying Phase II traffic and decode that on a scanner. Because I heard audio on the frequencies conventionally scanning them I'm thinking it had to be Phase I. It's killing me though because these were the ONLY units that have been able to decode the Harris P25 Phase I system in my location (until the SDS and G5 came out) and have been rock solid for 7 years. Evidently, whatever Harris is doing with this system on Phase II isn't compatible with the PSR-800 for now.
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Send the PSR-800 to whistler for the Legacy upgrade.Thanks
I have even gone as far as formatting the SD card, resetting the scanner to defaults, reloading the CPU and DSP firmware, creating a brand new config with just that 1 new system in it manually entered not from RR with the correct info. I'm beginning to think that what I thought initially was Phase II was only Phase I. From what I understand, you can't conventionally scan frequencies that are carrying Phase II traffic and decode that on a scanner. Because I heard audio on the frequencies conventionally scanning them I'm thinking it had to be Phase I. It's killing me though because these were the ONLY units that have been able to decode the Harris P25 Phase I system in my location (until the SDS and G5 came out) and have been rock solid for 7 years. Evidently, whatever Harris is doing with this system on Phase II isn't compatible with the PSR-800 for now.
Yeah, I'm thinking that would be the only option at this point or sell them both and purchase an SDS100 or Unication G5. There are several folks in my area that are having great luck with those on the system. I've not had my hands on the SDS100 but I have played with the G5 and it works great. The price is just what's killing me for both. (Especially when my $30 SDR works perfectly, but who wants to carry around a computer...)
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May i ask what a G 5 and SDS 100 is? Im in Franklin County NC as well, im using a Whistler WS 1065 and Uniden BCD 996xt, The Whistler went silent about 10 days ago but i can still hear a few transmissions on the Uniden. Thanks, retired FF and EMT in this county.
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G5 = Unication Pager
SDS100 = Uniden Handheld SDS radio
SDS100 = Uniden Handheld SDS radio
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Radio Reference shows 6 frequencies for the site:
151.1525 151.220 151.280 151.4675 155.355 155.430
Does that match what you have? All must be entered for a Harris system.
151.1525 151.220 151.280 151.4675 155.355 155.430
Does that match what you have? All must be entered for a Harris system.
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