Question: Can ham radios receive the same channels as those on a scanner?

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I did some research and found out that in the state of California, it is legal to have and listen in on public service radio. It is also legal to have a ham radio outfitted to transmit on public service frequencies, but becomes a major crime if you do transmit without permission. The laws on scanners are much more harsher in the city of Los Angeles. I will have to do a bit more digging to find out about local laws on it.

It is a violation of FCC rules to use ANY transmitter not certified for use, regardless of your having authorization or license for said frequency. Amateur radios are NOT FCC certified for transmitting on part 90, 95 or anything else but AMATEUR frequencies, and only by those who posses a valid amateur radio license with no restrictions and of the appropriate class.

Transmitting out of the ham bands with a ham radio is a NO-NO. Get a part 90 radio and get legit or get a scanner if you just want to listen in.
 

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I am not sure where you got this info from, but it is not legal to modify a ham radio to transmit on Public service frequncies. It is not up to the state to make this legal. It would be in violation of FCC rules.

Yes, it is very illegal to transmit, but not to own. If you are not transmitting there is no wrongdoing.
 

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If you are going to be transmitting on public safety spectrum then you damn well need to be using a commercial radio. It's as simple as that. Ham radios are NOT to be used in the PS spectrum by anyone in any state, by any department or agency. Now if you only want to monitor, then that's fine to use your ham rigs to listen.
Cali nor any other state has any authority whatsoever over federal law, and that's what this is.
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If you are going to be transmitting on public safety spectrum then you damn well need to be using a commercial radio. It's as simple as that. Ham radios are NOT to be used in the PS spectrum by anyone in any state, by any department or agency. Now if you only want to monitor, then that's fine to use your ham rigs to listen.
Cali nor any other state has any authority whatsoever over federal law, and that's what this is.
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Well they need to enforce those rules and regulations a little better.
 

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I am a sheriff explorer for this county and when we do events we are paired up and get one radio per team and transmit on a tac channel. So I was hoping to get a ham radio of my own to be able to have that same send/receive function. But if I am not able to get the ham model talked about above, a scanner will be my next route.

I believe due to your lack of knowledge, that you are confusing ham radios with commercial radios. The use of one radio per team is quite common with the volunteer work you are doing. I am going out on a limb, but there are radios sold that are Part 90 and Part 95 accepted. They are inexpensive and will do the out of band transmit you are wanting. I won't give you brand names, as a simple Google search will suffice. It is illegal to modify a ham radio for transmitting on frequencies other than what the radio was intended for, amateur use.
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I believe due to your lack of knowledge, that you are confusing ham radios with commercial radios. The use of one radio per team is quite common with the volunteer work you are doing. I am going out on a limb, but there are radios sold that are Part 90 and Part 95 accepted. They are inexpensive and will do the out of band transmit you are wanting. I won't give you brand names, as a simple Google search will suffice. It is illegal to modify a ham radio for transmitting on frequencies other than what the radio was intended for, amateur use.
HTH,
Larry

The radios we use during events are actual police radios deputies use, but we transmit on a tac channel that does not go through dispatch and is solely used for SAR teams, explorers, volunteers, and the agency itself if they need to. We are ALL given permission to use this channel by the department. And I completely agree with you, my buddy stated that he had a ham, but he may not even know what he really has. So sorry if I am totally getting this wrong.
 

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The radios we use during events are actual police radios deputies use, but we transmit on a tac channel that does not go through dispatch and is solely used for SAR teams, explorers, volunteers, and the agency itself if they need to. We are ALL given permission to use this channel by the department. And I completely agree with you, my buddy stated that he had a ham, but he may not even know what he really has. So sorry if I am totally getting this wrong.

No need to be sorry. You asked a question that was answered by those that know the rules and regs. Also, you are correct about the need for enforcement. I find the use of radios not designed for the service they are being used for very wrong. Civil Air Patrol and MARS (Military Affiliated Radio Service) used to be able to use modded ham radios. Now, with the narrowband frequencies, they are not type accepted to use in these services. I have friends using commercial radios that transmit both analog and digital for CAP.
Glad we could help in your understanding. I know there are amateur radio groups out there that would be willing to help your Explorer group learn ham radio.
Larry
 

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No need to be sorry. You asked a question that was answered by those that know the rules and regs. Also, you are correct about the need for enforcement. I find the use of radios not designed for the service they are being used for very wrong. Civil Air Patrol and MARS (Military Affiliated Radio Service) used to be able to use modded ham radios. Now, with the narrowband frequencies, they are not type accepted to use in these services. I have friends using commercial radios that transmit both analog and digital for CAP.
Glad we could help in your understanding. I know there are amateur radio groups out there that would be willing to help your Explorer group learn ham radio.
Larry

I do appreciate you and everyone else who have answered my questions. You all are very knowledgable and helpful. And I do think they should have more enforcement on these laws. I mean, of my buddy (who uses his radio for all the right reasons with no intent of wrongdoings) could have the equipment he has, means that many other people could do the same for all the wrong reasons.

I have talked with my explorer group about having a class of radio communications and they all agree with me and think its a great idea. So I'll see what I can do with that.

Thanks again!
 

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30Adam said:
I do appreciate you and everyone else who have answered my questions. You all are very knowledgable and helpful. And I do think they should have more enforcement on these laws. I mean, of my buddy (who uses his radio for all the right reasons with no intent of wrongdoings) could have the equipment he has, means that many other people could do the same for all the wrong reasons.

I have talked with my explorer group about having a class of radio communications and they all agree with me and think its a great idea. So I'll see what I can do with that.

Thanks again!

If your buddy is using a ham radio on the public safety freqs, he is at risk, as well as putting the agency at risk. (For all the reasons previously mentioned.)

As for getting your explorer post some training on radios, that is a great idea. As a ham, I would hope one or two would get into the hobby. As a scanist, I hope the members learn what is available, and how it can be utilized. As a first responder, I want the members to know what their radios are capable of, so they do not get stuck in a bad situation, and wonder why no one is coming to help.

The communications officer for your agency should be able get in touch with the local ham club, that the agency should have a working relationship with.
 
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If your buddy is using a ham radio on the public safety freqs, he is at risk, as well as putting the agency at risk. (For all the reasons previously mentioned.)

As for getting your explorer post some training on radios, that is a great idea. As a ham, I would hope one or two would get into the hobby. As a scanist, I hope the members learn what is available, and how it can be utilized. As a first responder, I want the members to know what their radios are capable of, so they do not get stuck in a bad situation, and wonder why no one is coming to help.

The communications officer for your agency should be able get in touch with the local ham club, that the agency should have a working relationship with.

Yeah he could have a commercial radio for all I know. He has the Yaesu model I believe that was talked about previously. He said it was a ham, but he's no expert on radios, and neither am I.

And I completely agree with you. Knowing your radio inside and out and to its fullest capabilities is very essential in this profession. I would really like to have our explorer post take part in a radio communications class. I am very interested in radios and hopefully will become much more knowledgable about them. I will mention this at the next meeting and see if we can get one started.
 
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Yeah he could have a commercial radio for all I know. He has the Yaesu model I believe that was talked about previously. He said it was a ham, but he's no expert on radios, and neither am I.

If it is a Yaesu, it is a ham radio. Yaesu is the amateur side of the Vertex Standard company. (This is, apparently, changing soon. There is another thread about that topic.)
 
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Yeah, the rules can be confusing to someone who is either new to ham radio or commercial radio. I look at it as if it's is a one way street. It's perfectly fine for hams to use commercial radios on ham frequencies, but it's not fine for the police, fire, and other public servants to use ham radios on commercial frequencies. If you're friend is using a Yaesu FT60 to talk on sheriff frequencies, even the tactical channel that doesn't go through the main dispatch channel, then he is asking for trouble from the federal government. If his supervisor, or anyone at the sheriff's office, gave him permission to use the FT60, then that person needs to learn what FCC rules say about doing such things. The fines start in the thousands of dollars for individuals and rapidly rise to the tens of thousands of dollars when it involves agencies that should know better.

Whether you end up with a commercial radio you can use legally to talk on that tactical channel or a ham radio that you use only to monitor that channel, I suggest you look into becoming a ham. It isn't very difficult to get your license and the hobby itself is a lot of fun. There are so many different things you can do with ham radio, like talking locally with other hams in your area, talking to people in other countries over HF, communicating via CW (morse code), digital modes that require a computer, talking through satellites, etc., etc. The list of fun things you can do goes on and on.
 

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Yeah, the rules can be confusing to someone who is either new to ham radio or commercial radio. I look at it as if it's is a one way street. It's perfectly fine for hams to use commercial radios on ham frequencies, but it's not fine for the police, fire, and other public servants to use ham radios on commercial frequencies. If you're friend is using a Yaesu FT60 to talk on sheriff frequencies, even the tactical channel that doesn't go through the main dispatch channel, then he is asking for trouble from the federal government. If his supervisor, or anyone at the sheriff's office, gave him permission to use the FT60, then that person needs to learn what FCC rules say about doing such things. The fines start in the thousands of dollars for individuals and rapidly rise to the tens of thousands of dollars when it involves agencies that should know better.

Whether you end up with a commercial radio you can use legally to talk on that tactical channel or a ham radio that you use only to monitor that channel, I suggest you look into becoming a ham. It isn't very difficult to get your license and the hobby itself is a lot of fun. There are so many different things you can do with ham radio, like talking locally with other hams in your area, talking to people in other countries over HF, communicating via CW (morse code), digital modes that require a computer, talking through satellites, etc., etc. The list of fun things you can do goes on and on.

I'll bring it up with him and share all this info. He knows less than I do at this point so I'll make sure to let him know.

I think I'll start getting into ham radio. It sounds like a lot of fun, just very confusing from the start. I am a lot more knowledgeable now and I'll start looking into all the FCC rules and regulations.
 

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I'll bring it up with him and share all this info. He knows less than I do at this point so I'll make sure to let him know.

I think I'll start getting into ham radio. It sounds like a lot of fun, just very confusing from the start. I am a lot more knowledgeable now and I'll start looking into all the FCC rules and regulations.

Good deal. This is a good place to start American Radio Relay League | ARRL - The national association for AMATEUR RADIO There is lots of good information on ham radio on this site. The ARRL is the largest amateur radio organization in the US. And, yes, it can be confusing at first, but it doesn't take long to learn. You could literally be licensed by this time next month and on the air making contacts. If you need any help or have any questions, feel free to send me a PM.
 

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Good deal. This is a good place to start American Radio Relay League | ARRL - The national association for AMATEUR RADIO There is lots of good information on ham radio on this site. The ARRL is the largest amateur radio organization in the US. And, yes, it can be confusing at first, but it doesn't take long to learn. You could literally be licensed by this time next month and on the air making contacts. If you need any help or have any questions, feel free to send me a PM.

If you like what you see and want to study for your technician class license,you should try this study book,

Gordon West Technician Class GWTM

I used that book for my studying for the technician class license for 2 or 3 weeks (I forgot for how long) and I passed on the first try!
 
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Good deal. This is a good place to start American Radio Relay League | ARRL - The national association for AMATEUR RADIO There is lots of good information on ham radio on this site. The ARRL is the largest amateur radio organization in the US. And, yes, it can be confusing at first, but it doesn't take long to learn. You could literally be licensed by this time next month and on the air making contacts. If you need any help or have any questions, feel free to send me a PM.

I will definitely check it out. Thanks for the help!
 

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I have a similar question. Is there a reason why scanners are able to receive ham repeaters (e.g. 2m/70cm) without having to enter the PL tone frequency, but an HT (supposedly) has to have the PL tones entered just to hear them?
 

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You can set your ham radio to ignore the PL and listen to the channel. Most ham radios allow you to receive with or without the PL tone. If a repeater requires a PL tone then you need to set your transmitter to send the correct tone to activate the repeater. You can set your receiver either to listen for the proper tone or just listen to anything on the channel. Check your user manual on how to program your radio.
 

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I have a similar question. Is there a reason why scanners are able to receive ham repeaters (e.g. 2m/70cm) without having to enter the PL tone frequency, but an HT (supposedly) has to have the PL tones entered just to hear them?

Anyone can hear any radio traffic on the frequency, if they do not set a CTCSS tone. The tone is to help you listen to only the traffic you want.

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