Revised FCC Form 605 Will Ask Applicants “the Felony Question”

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Its also naive to think that your associations with known felons can't effect you too. Anyone with certain level security clearances know that you will be question'd - in depth, of any such "associations."

Quite right. My clearances are probably invalid now, but they still carry some weight and can be useful.

My Dad said to me when I was about 8yo "I don't want to see you playing with the C*****y boys". When I asked why he just said "You'll see one day". Many years later they were all residents of one of Her Majesty's hotels at various times.

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anyone here ever have to work side by side with one of these dope fiends.

I had a co-worker with a medical pot card. I was surprised to hear he did the stuff, and only learned about it after he retired. I guess it wasn't a big deal then, but it did explain why he never answered his home phone outside of his stand-by duty hours.
 

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Not all publicly accessible documents show up in a Google search.

That is certainly true. For example, North Carolina's felon database is freely accessible to anyone who goes directly to their website, but the administrators actively block all search engines.
 

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Has anyone gave any thought that maybe this is a good thing, let some vetting occur, maybe we really don't need a bunch of felons on the HAM bands to begin with?
 

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Has anyone gave any thought that maybe this is a good thing, let some vetting occur, maybe we really don't need a bunch of felons on the HAM bands to begin with?

I haven't thought that so much myself. I don't judge everyone with a broad brush, but carefully consider individual circumstances. My late father had a "felony conviction" from when he was a callow youth back in 1923. It was a non-violent incident that today would be a misdemeanor at worst.

He had a long and distinguished enlisted career in the US Navy, and then went on to work forty years for the FAA, retiring as a GS-15 Step 9 (roughly equivalent to a Lt. General), Step 10 being the highest level of civil service.

Should he have been denied his ham license? Fortunately he wasn't excluded... :wink:
 

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I understand, thats why I stated that maybe there should be further "vetting". -Not "broad brush" exclusions.

But keep in mind, a felony conviction is no slap on the wrist. I would think it should warrant some scrutiny before granting certain privileges and so forth.
 

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Personally RRR, I don't have any objections. These forums are not courts of law-- they are popular social media outlets. No one is saying "Tex, get a Rope! "... and forming a vigilance committee- but if you make yourself public (ie: the original poster) you run the risk of a mob censor--- ( though I believe here he has received a fair shake.) If nothing else, it elicit'd a lively discussion; and hopefully an introspection of our own foibles (altho not me!.... I am, as a'test'd... as pure as the driven snow...lol :) )
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It is unfair for any society to say it will sit neutral, not judgemental- about a miscreant-- we aren't judges and juries-- But we the same as our ancestors who sat around their fires in caves, thousands of years ago discussing "Ogggh, and now he is a real screw up! -- what ARE the elders going to do with HIM ??"**
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Has anyone gave any thought that maybe this is a good thing, let some vetting occur, maybe we really don't need a bunch of felons on the HAM bands to begin with?

Considering the question has been off the 605 for a long time, can you enlighten all of us, and point to a citation to show us the imminent danger?

Specifically, where felons who obtained Amateur licenses and then committed further crimes, please.
 

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I don't have to do either, apparently the federal government is doing it, not me or you, and rightly so.

Keep in mind, I have just as much right to support it as you have to oppose it.
 

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I've probably worked with countless card holders but one in particular comes to mind. He was a contractor to our company for awhile then applied for a permanent position. When he went for the final interview HR told him they were sorry but he failed the drug testing for marijuana and they could not hire him. He immediately presented his CA medical marijuana card and after a few minutes of checking they told him welcome to the company and he was hired.

I worked with him for some time and he was no problem at all and had lots of interesting stories about the various drugs he takes. His job was installing and wiring very high tech equipment and he was one of the best I've seen.

Ironically, buying marijuana for recreational use is now legal in CA.
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with marijuana still being illegal at the federal level I hope they start banning all the so called medical marijuana card holders from obtaining any professional license.

anyone here ever have to work side by side with one of these dope fiends.
 

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Various state courts have said an employer has the option not to hire or retain an employee based on marijuana use, regardless of the legality of marijuana in the state.
 

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with marijuana still being illegal at the federal level I hope they start banning all the so called medical marijuana card holders from obtaining any professional license.

anyone here ever have to work side by side with one of these dope fiends.

Hear Hear!

Also, anyone who consumes any alcoholic beveridge, takes pain killers or anti depression or anti anxiety medications. "Sure don't need 'those fiends' working along side us all".

Who is next? Really? Did you say that?
 

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I had a co-worker with a medical pot card. I was surprised to hear he did the stuff, and only learned about it after he retired. I guess it wasn't a big deal then, but it did explain why he never answered his home phone outside of his stand-by duty hours.

Maybe he was simply getting hounded for more OT than he could stand? Who is calling him on "his home phone outside of his stand-by duty hours" and expecting an answer?

More people need to turn off their phones outside work hours. It would curtail abusive employers who work a 24/7 schedule.

Hey, I once worked with a guy, who was a so called "A player" at the company. I am almost certain he was hooked on Adderall. This guy was go go go go 24/7 and made a few errors along the way with his hastiness.
 

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Personally, I don't see what all the fuss is about a felony conviction and having a license. These days, it isn't that hard to get a felony conviction for something in most states. Depends on what they did. If it was for carrying a concealed weapon for protection, especially somewhere where permits are nearly impossible to get, who cares? If it was the guy from the 70's who raped a young woman, cut off her arms, and left her for dead, hell no, never! Robbed a bank thirty years ago and hasn't been in trouble since, no problem.
 

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Hear Hear!

Also, anyone who consumes any alcoholic beveridge, takes pain killers or anti depression or anti anxiety medications. "Sure don't need 'those fiends' working along side us all".

Who is next? Really? Did you say that?

I know a police department who had one get in and made management level for the 911 center who vetted everyone in they know. All on adderall or psych meds. I'm against vetting and improper backgrounds. As it stands the nearby town and county sheriff will be going encrypted and near by town not giving thst one town the keys. Last I checked half the dept has been under investigation. But not to side track one guy here said he likes vetting. Not me it opens the bypass background checking. And I argree with the op on not wanting to work along side fiends. It invites illegal things to occur or problems.
 

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"Hear Hear!
"Also, anyone who consumes any alcoholic beveridge, takes pain killers or anti depression or anti anxiety medications. "Sure don't need 'those fiends' working along side us all".........'hic'
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I do, really ! ...read the sarcasm there... :)
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On the same note, while marijuana may be legal in some states, as pointed out- it isn't legal under federal law. For the time being, the law simply isn't being enforced in those states.
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As a Colorado resident, I am only too aware of its easy accessiblity- but woe be unto you if you drive it across the borders of our neighboring states, or onto a federal installation.
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This substance abuse is serious business for me and mine- as in:
My facility gets random, "escorted" drug urine tests - those are where you get watched pee'ing in a cup. We were once hit with a random visit just after I returned from lunch. I had eaten a sandwich on a poppy seed roll that I hastily disclosed. I haven't eaten anything with poppy seeds since.
Frequently we get the substance sniffing dogs going over every inch of my lab- they never tell me what they are sniffing for- drugs, maybe explosives- that agency is very closed lipped, and their visits completely unannounced.
There is an installation that I visit often. Even driving in my government vehicle, I have to step outside it while armed agents go over it, and me, with various detectors before I can enter its gates.
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I listed those three example of why some activities are simply not worth the drug risks. I'll leave it anyone's imagination what the outcome would be if one of those 'interactions' ever goes 'bad.'
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I'm not sure if I have a point to make here- other than continuing the character issue, and while some people may trivialize it, there is a vast segment of society- those guys with the powers- that don't feel that way.
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Since I'm on a story telling roll, one more-
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My friend and co-worker Barbi was asked to go on a one month"TDY" (temporary duty assignment) with another agency, When she returned, she was furious with me for having "loaned" her out.
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"Why is that??" I asked
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"Because those SOB's drug test'd me twice during that time !" she said.
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Turns out, they tested her by *Pulling out clumps of her hair!*
Apparently clipping it was not sufficient- they had to have the roots too.
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"Hear Hear!
"Also, anyone who consumes any alcoholic beveridge, takes pain killers or anti depression or anti anxiety medications. "Sure don't need 'those fiends' working along side us all".........'hic'
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---------said Pilot to his flight crew
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I do, really ! ...read the sarcasm there... :)
(and I apologize for the little editorializing :) )
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On the same note, while marijuana may be legal in some states, as pointed out- it isn't legal under federal law. For the time being, the law simply isn't being enforced in those states.
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As a Colorado resident, I am only too aware of its easy acessiblity- but woe be unto you if you drive it across the borders of our neighboring states, or onto a federal installation.
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This is substance abuse is serious business for me and mine- as in:
My facility gets random, "escorted" drug urine tests - those are where you get watched pee'ing in a cup. We were once hit with a random visit just after I returned from lunch. I had eaten sandwich on a poppy seed roll that I hastily disclosed. I haven't eaten anything with poppy seeds since.
Frequently we get the substance sniffing dogs going over every inch of my lab- they never tell me what they are sniffing for- drugs, maybe explosives- that agency is very closed lipped, and their visits completely unannounced.
There is an installation that I visit often. Even driving in my government vehicle, I have to step outside it while armed agents go over it, and me, with various detectors before I can enter its gates.
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I listed those three example of why some activities are simply not worth the drug risks. I'll leave it anyone's imagination what the outcome would be if one of those 'interactions' ever goes 'bad.'
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I'm not sure if I have a point to make here- other than continuing the character issue, and while some people may trivialize it, there is a vast segment of society- those guys with the powers- that don't feel that way.
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Since I'm on a story telling roll, one more-
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My friend and co-worker Barbi was asked to go on a one month"TDY" (temporary duty assignment) with another agency, When she returned, she was furious with me for having "loaning" her out.
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"Why is that??" I asked
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"Because those SOB's drug test'd me twice during that time !" she said.
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Turns out, they tested her by *Pulling out clumps of her hair!*
Apparently clipping it was not sufficient- they had to have the roots too.
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Clumps of hair. Quite insane. Are you sure they weren't trying to get DNA to clone her? You just leaked valuable intellectual property by loaning her out!

Random checks were the name of the game where I worked most of my career. One guy was picked twice in 6 weeks. Now I know why I can't find poppy seed hot dog buns for my Chicago style dogs.

Watching the insane Colorado "pot legalization experiment" from afar, I have to wonder if it would be much more sane to simply legalize cultivation and possession of very small amounts. Much like brewing beer at home. This "taxation" madness has just stepped up the organized crime business to a new level. And street dealers and smugglers are still in business. And now you have a whole new level of consumer.

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