San Diego City 800MHz Trunked System Rebanding Information

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Assuming that bandplan changes would be similar per scanner as to how we did RCS North Site?

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I think the most trouble free way to be ready for the rebanding, is to duplicate your SD City systems/groups, change the control channels on the duplicates to the new control channels, change the duplicates bandplan to Motorola standard, and assign it the same favorite/scanlist or QK number as the current system. That way, when the switch happens, it should be seamless as the old system control channel causes the old system to not scan and the new one will only start scanning when the new control channel is active. You can then delete the old system after the reband.

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During the week of February 25 – March 1, the City of San Diego’s 800 MHz Radio Network will be reconfigured. The anticipated sequence of events is as follows:

Monday, February 25th
Technicians will organize and prepare for the work. Network users will not experience any changes or degradation of network performance on this day.

Tuesday, February 26th
Technicians will report to the radio sites for baseline testing of the current radio configuration. The test procedures may affect a very small percentage of network resources. Users may experience a busy signal upon keying their radio.

Busy Signals
Radio users that hear a busy signal (sounds like a telephone busy signal) should unkey their radio and wait for a quick tone from their radio before rekeying. This quick tone is a “talk permit tone” notifying the user that the channel is now ready for use. Rekeying a radio prior to this “talk permit tone” will cause the user to drop to the bottom of the queue.

Wednesday, February 27th
At approximately 12 PM, the radio network channel resources will be reduced to 70% of capacity. With this reduction in resources, users may experience minimal busy signals. This will continue throughout the night. We request that users minimize radio traffic.

Thursday, February 28th
Throughout this day, users should minimize radio traffic as much as possible and anticipate busy signals.

To reduce demand for limited talk path resources:
1. School Transportation should operate on the Palomar repeater channel.
2. Paramedics should use County RCS talkgroups when working with the hospital
emergency staff.

Starting at 4 AM, the radio network channel resources will be reduced to less than 50% of capacity. As the morning progresses, users should anticipate channel busies during the reconfiguration. Individual channel resources will be brought back on line as soon as each channel is reconfigured.
Radio technicians will support dispatch locations to provide updates to dispatch staff. Technicians may also instruct dispatchers to utilize backup radios for a short period of time as radio consoles may be unavailable for a few minutes.

By 6 PM, radio network channel resources will be back to approximately 70% of normal capacity. Some users may notice a busy signal upon keying their radio. This will continue throughout the night. Users should reduce radio traffic whenever possible.

Friday, March 1st
Reconfiguration of the network continues. Technicians will bring channel resources back on line as each channel is completed. Radio technicians will support dispatch locations to provide updates to dispatch staff.
All radio network reconfiguration should be completed by 6 PM and normal operations should resume.
 
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I've added a rebanded "site" to my SD City systems, gave them the same QK number, so when they switch, assuming it doesn't need a custom reband table, my scanners should auto switch. The custom reband table we used for the south RCS (during the transition process) was only due to the NPSPAC channels right?

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Can someone update the RR dB so button pushers like me can update their radios?

Also, I bought an SDS-200. I'm in PQ near black mt. The radio really sucks on this system in analog, the noise level is kind of high (300 to 600), the emergency tone comes out distorted as well as voice high peaks. Often times during a transmission it will stop decoding audio and sometimes displays LINK message on the screen.

Any suggestions? I've tried the filters, adjusting the attenuation, nothing really helps.
 

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Have you checked to make sure the system is set to FM and not NFM for modulation? The tone distortion reminds me of what happens when you are monitoring wide on a narrow setting, same with the voice peaks...as if the bandwidth of the 25Khz audio is blowing outside of the 12.5Khz filter.

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Can someone update the RR dB so button pushers like me can update their radios?

Also, I bought an SDS-200. I'm in PQ near black mt. The radio really sucks on this system in analog, the noise level is kind of high (300 to 600), the emergency tone comes out distorted as well as voice high peaks. Often times during a transmission it will stop decoding audio and sometimes displays LINK message on the screen.

Any suggestions? I've tried the filters, adjusting the attenuation, nothing really helps.
 

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Yeah, I was thinking that as well, but I was also thinking it was set correctly in the dB and the sentinel SW took care of all that.

I'll give it a shot.

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You nailed it. Changed the modulation type from AUTO to FM (other option is NFM, I assume that's what AUTO was using). Audio sounds great now! Seems like a glitch with AUTO setting, or if the modulation type (NFM vs. FM) was an attribute in the DB, this wouldn't happen.
 

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Mystery solved. From my time with the x36HP series, Uniden likes to ship their new scanners with 12.5Khz set for the 800MHz frequency range as default. You may wish to change that in the menu, or go into your RCS system/s and change them to 25Khz as well. The newer SD City 700 and NextGen RCS will be 12.5, but the old systems are all still 25Hz.

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You nailed it. Changed the modulation type from AUTO to FM (other option is NFM, I assume that's what AUTO was using). Audio sounds great now! Seems like a glitch with AUTO setting, or if the modulation type (NFM vs. FM) was an attribute in the DB, this wouldn't happen.
 

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Yes, and the Motorola Standard bandplan with new control channels works, my scanners automatically switched to them as a new "site" when they hit the switch.

On a side note, they decided to reband in the middle of an officer down call on Western...

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As per Anderegg's suggestion, I duplicated my City system and changed the control channels and changed from Splinter to Standard. At about 5:20 AM I noticed my Uniden 996P2 (I hadn't updated the programming on this one yet) searching for the control channel while I was locked onto Western D1, which was working fine just minutes prior. I flashed the new programming in, and immediately picked up where I left off monitoring Western D1's officer & vandalism suspect struck by an SUV on Midway Drive. Easy peasy.
 

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Thanks for all the info guys. Great idea to set up a Rebanded site so it is seamless. Isn't it wild how long the talk of rebanding has been around and today it finally happened to the City system. I think I first heard of rebanding while contracting at Sprint in 2006 and here we are 13 years later.
 

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Part of me wonders if the system admins were hoping they would be switched over to the new systems before they were forced to eventually flip the reband switch.

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