DSDPlus Site keeps changing

[venom6733]

I monitor a site here in indiana that con+ site number 127-14 and the control channel is 452.4625 and Ive never had a problem with it but now itll load up right but when someone starts talking, the site changes to L127-2.3 and it has the same DCC and neighbors but the CC channel goes away off the channel activity screen but the FMPP screen still shows it monitoring 452.4625. Ill put a couple screen shots of before it messes up and after it messes up


Before it messes up


after it messes up



Im not sure whats going on to make it change like this out of the blue

 

[DaveNF2G]

Did it have to go hunting for a control channel again?

 

[sonm10]

Are you running the current version of DSD+? There were a lot of fixes for TIII - not sure how that would effect CON+ though.

 

[cg]

Perhaps one of the channels has a second user that forces a change in Network ID?
Look in the Notes file for disambiguation via DCC, around line 600 or so. It was added for v2.324
This will allow the DCC of the target system to be the only traffic allowed

 

[venom6733]

Did it have to go hunting for a control channel again?

yeh it lost the control channel. I believe CG is right, it must be landing on a channel thats part of another system but I dont know what system is L127-2.3. Its keeping the same neighbor channels though like it did before it switched

 

[DaveNF2G]

From your other screenshots, it looks like it's on the same frequency, so I would have to concur with cg's assessment - another co-channel site.

 

[seagravebuff60]

It looks like a bad decode to me. DSD+ seems confused between Con+ and T3. L127 is a T3 standard system ID, and 2.3 is a T3 Standard site number.

So you are saying that when there is voice on the system, it switches to L127-2.3? What does your .networks, .sites, and .frequencies files look like? What version of DSD+ are you on?

 

[venom6733]

It looks like a bad decode to me. DSD+ seems confused between Con+ and T3. L127 is a T3 standard system ID, and 2.3 is a T3 Standard site number.

So you are saying that when there is voice on the system, it switches to L127-2.3? What does your .networks, .sites, and .frequencies files look like? What version of DSD+ are you on?

It seems when someone keys up to talk, itll change sometimes to the L127-2.3 and the window with the channels on it has a ? on the cc. I dont know how to look up a site by the L127-2.3 on RR but i dont recognize it offhand. 2.395 is the version im running, I have all the updated zip files, I just havent got around to installing them cause I dont want to mess it up and have DSD not work at all. It was all I can do to get it running like it is now...lol. My network file is empty other than what comes on it and heres a screen shot of the freq and sites

 

[seagravebuff60]

It seems when someone keys up to talk, itll change sometimes to the L127-2.3 and the window with the channels on it has a ? on the cc. I dont know how to look up a site by the L127-2.3 on RR but i dont recognize it offhand. 2.395 is the version im running, I have all the updated zip files, I just havent got around to installing them cause I dont want to mess it up and have DSD not work at all. It was all I can do to get it running like it is now...lol. My network file is empty other than what comes on it and heres a screen shot of the freq and sites

All the files look correct to me. Although I recommend adding the DCC value like @cg recommended in post 4, sometimes this doesn't work for me. Look through the Notes.txt file and see how to set it up, but it's basically just adding the DCC value as the last value for that site in the .frequencies file. The site is DCC 3, and then when it changes, it is DCC 10. Hopefully, the DCC disambiguation will work in this case.

I dont know how to look up a site by the L127-2.3 on RR but i dont recognize it offhand.

You can search here: RRDB | Trunking Data | Query

I didn't find anything in your area for L127, im guessing it is an error in DSD+ that is showing you that output. However, Con+ is End of life, and most of the systems near me are transitioning to DMR Teir 3 equipment. Are there any rumors of this system going to Tier 3?

2.395 is the version im running, I have all the updated zip files, I just havent got around to installing them cause I dont want to mess it up and have DSD not work at all. It was all I can do to get it running like it is now...lol.

While that's okay, 2.465 is the latest, and they did a bunch of updates with DMR, especially Tier 3, so I recommend updating. My other recommendation would be to make a copy of your entire DSD+ File and then update DSD+ in the newly copied folder; if everything works, then you should be good, but if not and you are not comfortable with it, you can always revert to the other folder. That way, everything will be backed up if something fails. DSD+ was having some drama with the latest three updates at the end of last year, but it has been rectified, so you are safe to update.

 

[mtindor]

@venom6733 You definitely want to be running the latest DSDPlus.

System 127 is the CON+ system for ERS/OCI.

System ID L10 is the T3 CapMax system for ERS/OCI.

I wonder if ERS/OCI really may have switched their System ID for the T3 system to L127 (from L10). I'm fairly certain the T3 system is still L10. And I believe that DSDplus is just confused, or causing confusion, because of the existing CON+ (System 127) entries in the DSDPlus.* files.

Others in the area would need to confirm whether that is what happened or not. If somebody parks on an actual T3 ERS/OCI site control channel ( ERS Wireless Indiana (DMR T3) Trunking System, Various, Indiana ), does it still show as L10? or does it show as L127 ?

If the T3 system is still L10 like it had been from the start, then DSDPlus is just confused based upon existing info in the DSDPlus files from the Con+ system (which is 127).

And, as mentioned, you really need to update to the latest DSDPlus. The reason is that the handling of TIII systems has changed between the version you have and the latest version. The latest version would identify the site number properly once it detects that it's a Motorola CapMax signal, and would no longer display "2.3" but would display the correct site ID.

 

[venom6733]

All the files look correct to me. I recommend adding the DCC value like CG recommended in post 4, although sometimes this doesn't work for me. Look through the DSD notes and see how to set it up, but it's basically just adding the DCC value as the last value for that site in the .frequencies file. The site is DCC 3, and then when it changes, it is DCC 10. Hopefully, that will work.


RRDB | Trunking Data | Query

I didn't find anything in your area for L127, im guessing it is an error in DSD+ that is showing you that output. However, Con+ is End of life, and most of the systems near me are transitioning to DMR Teir 3 equipment. Are there any rumors of this system going to Tier 3?


While that's okay, 2.465 is the latest, and they did a bunch of updates with DMR. My recommendation would be to make a copy of your entire DSD+ File and then update DSD+ in the newly copied folder; if everything works, then you should be good, but if not and you are not comfortable with it, you can always revert to the other folder. That way, everything will be backed up if something fails.

thanks for the advice, Im going to try adding the DCC. As far as upgrading to tier 3, they are in the middle of doing that right now and a lot of them are using the same channels as the esi-oci frequencies that are in my frequencies files in the pic I posted. Heres the beginning of the tier 3 in my area they are working on but havent completed yet. Its my guess that its going to replace the Con+ systems im monitoring now ERS Wireless Indiana (DMR T3) Trunking System, Various, Indiana. How would I add the value to the site...would it look similar to this?..."Con+, 127, 10, 1, 452.4625,0,0,3"

 

[venom6733]

@venom6733 You definitely want to be running the latest DSDPlus.

System 127 is the CON+ system for ERS/OCI.

System ID L10 is the T3 CapMax system for ERS/OCI.

I wonder if ERS/OCI really may have switched their System ID for the T3 system to L127 (from L10). I'm fairly certain the T3 system is still L10. And I believe that DSDplus is just confused, or causing confusion, because of the existing CON+ (System 127) entries in the DSDPlus.* files.

Others in the area would need to confirm whether that is what happened or not. If somebody parks on an actual T3 ERS/OCI site control channel ( ERS Wireless Indiana (DMR T3) Trunking System, Various, Indiana ), does it still show as L10? or does it show as L127 ?

If the T3 system is still L10 like it had been from the start, then DSDPlus is just confused based upon existing info in the DSDPlus files from the Con+ system (which is 127).

And, as mentioned, you really need to update to the latest DSDPlus. The reason is that the handling of TIII systems has changed between the version you have and the latest version. The latest version would identify the site number properly once it detects that it's a Motorola CapMax signal, and would no longer display "2.3" but would display the correct site ID.

Ive parked on a few of the tier 3 channels im able to pick up and it shows L10-10 and the neighbor sites are all L10-'whatever'

 

[mtindor]

thanks for the advice, Im going to try adding the DCC. As far as upgrading to tier 3, they are in the middle of doing that right now and a lot of them are using the same channels as the esi-oci frequencies that are in my frequencies files in the pic I posted. Heres the beginning of the tier 3 in my area they are working on but havent completed yet. Its my guess that its going to replace the Con+ systems im monitoring now ERS Wireless Indiana (DMR T3) Trunking System, Various, Indiana. How would I add the value to the site...would it look similar to this?..."Con+, 127, 10, 1, 464.6625,0,0,3"

Yes that's what the entry would look like.

 

[venom6733]

thanks for the help guys, ive been struggling with learning the fastlane for about a year now. Learned most of what I know from reading RR threads and the 'notes' file that comes with dsd

 

[mtindor]

Ive parked on a few of the tier 3 channels im able to pick up and it shows L10-10 and the neighbor sites are all L10-'whatever'View attachment 170922

Ok that's good news. Then the T3 system is still L10. I think DSDPlus is just confused because of what you have in your DSDPlus.* files for the CON+ system.

 

[seagravebuff60]

thanks for the advice, Im going to try adding the DCC. As far as upgrading to tier 3, they are in the middle of doing that right now and a lot of them are using the same channels as the esi-oci frequencies that are in my frequencies files in the pic I posted. Heres the beginning of the tier 3 in my area they are working on but havent completed yet. Its my guess that its going to replace the Con+ systems im monitoring now ERS Wireless Indiana (DMR T3) Trunking System, Various, Indiana.

I think I see the issue now. 451.7875 is shared between the Con+ network and the Tier 3 Network. ERS Wireless Indiana (DMR T3) Site: Muncie and ERS-OCI Wireless TRBOconnect Con+ Site: Anderson, IN. 451.7875 is LCN3 on the Con+ Network and a control channel on the T3 network.
It seems that DSD+ is getting the T3 system ID wrong and confused; this happens to me a lot, too. I'm not sure if there is a "fix" for it. Just a minor glitch.

How would I add the value to the site...would it look similar to this?..."Con+, 127, 10, 1, 452.4625,0,0,3"

Not exactly. DMR Connect+ and DMR Tier 3 are two separate DMR Standards and two different systems. So, you will want to have two entries for them, one for each system.

Since L10 is the DMR Tier 3 System, you will want to have that system as its own separate entry, so you will have to set it up as a new system in DSD+. Now, RR has downloads available for DMR T3 systems, so you can copy the information to add to your files. Visit ERS Wireless Indiana (DMR T3) Trunking System, Various, Indiana and see the other data download section.

 

[venom6733]

so im just going to rebuild and do all the updates ive got for DSD to see if that makes a difference. I was going through the ers-oci trbo connect download page that has the already formatted files for dsd plus and their frequencies files are put in different than the way i have them in my frequency file. Im not sure if this makes a difference or not but heres a screen shot of the freq file from RR on the left and mine is on the right....both highlighted. Is this the same thing or do i have mine wrong?

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[seagravebuff60]

so im just going to rebuild and do all the updates ive got for DSD to see if that makes a difference. I was going through the ers-oci trbo connect download page that has the already formatted files for dsd plus and their frequencies files are put in different than the way i have them in my frequency file. Im not sure if this makes a difference or not but heres a screen shot of the freq file from RR on the left and mine is on the right....both highlighted. Is this the same thing or do i have mine wrong?

It looks like the RR File is wrong. Yours is right. It must be outdated or something. I would append a 10 to the end of your entry for the DCC.

Try:

Con+, 127, 10, 1, 464.6625, 0, 0, 10
Con+, 127, 10, 3, 463.7125, 0, 0, 10

It also looks like the RR file for all the other sites might be wrong. I am not 100% sure how those files are generated, so I'm not sure how to proceed to get them corrected.

 

[venom6733]

It looks like the RR File is wrong. Yours is right. It must be outdated or something. I would append a 10 to the end of your entry for the DCC.

glad I asked before pasting all that into my freq files. I just tried the Anderson one again after updating DSD and it jumped again so Im going to add the color code to the string for all 3 freqs and see if it does it again

 

[venom6733]

well adding the "3" to the string didnt work. It got onto the anderson site just fine but as soon as someone keyed up to talk (road painting crew indy) it jumped over to a L11 2.3 then it went to L10-10 which is the tier 3 here in muncie and kept on scrolling in the event window till i changed it back to another ERS-OCI that I wasnt having a problem with. I noticed that the tier 3 control channel here in Muncie is on 451.7875 and the anderson ers-oci 3rd channel is 451.7875. I guess ill just delete the 451.7875 off the freq file for anderson cause it isnt listed as the control channel for anderson. Heres a small section of the activity log

2024/10/16 15:18:45 Freq=452.462500 DCC=3 Found control channel
2024/10/16 15:18:45 Freq=452.462500 Current network: 127
2024/10/16 15:18:45 Freq=452.462500 Current site: 127-14 Anderson
2024/10/16 15:18:45 Freq=452.462500 127-14 neighbor: Site 127-7 Indianapolis
2024/10/16 15:18:45 Freq=452.462500 127-14 neighbor: Site 127-9 Marion
2024/10/16 15:18:45 Freq=452.462500 127-14 neighbor: Site 127-10 Muncie
2024/10/16 15:18:45 Freq=452.462500 127-14 neighbor: Site 127-26 New Castle
2024/10/16 15:18:45 Freq=452.462500 127-14 neighbor: Site 127-32 Westfield
2024/10/16 15:18:45 Freq=452.462500 DCC=3 127-14 neighbor: Site 127-7 Indianapolis
2024/10/16 15:18:45 Freq=452.462500 DCC=3 127-14 neighbor: Site 127-9 Marion
2024/10/16 15:18:45 Freq=452.462500 DCC=3 127-14 neighbor: Site 127-10 Muncie
2024/10/16 15:18:45 Freq=452.462500 DCC=3 127-14 neighbor: Site 127-26 New Castle
2024/10/16 15:18:45 Freq=452.462500 DCC=3 127-14 neighbor: Site 127-32 Westfield
2024/10/16 15:18:50 Freq=452.462500 DCC=3 Group call; TG=35000 [Road Painting Crew Indy] RID=35004 Ch=5 16s
2024/10/16 15:18:50 Freq=451.787500 Current network: L11
2024/10/16 15:18:50 Freq=451.787500 Current site: L11-2.3
2024/10/16 15:18:51 Freq=451.787500 Current network: L10
2024/10/16 15:18:51 Freq=451.787500 Current site: L10-10
2024/10/16 15:18:51 Freq=451.787500 DCC=10 RAS L10-10 neighbor: Site L10-11; CC=2033
2024/10/16 15:18:51 Freq=451.787500 DCC=10 RAS L10-10 neighbor: Site L10-9; CC=2019
2024/10/16 15:18:52 Freq=452.462500 DCC=10 RAS No data for current site found in DSDPlus.frequencies file
2024/10/16 15:18:52 Freq=452.462500 DCC=10 RAS L10-10 neighbor: Site L10-9
2024/10/16 15:18:52 Freq=452.462500 DCC=10 RAS L10-10 neighbor: Site L10-7
2024/10/16 15:18:52 Freq=452.462500 DCC=10 RAS L10-10 neighbor: Site L10-32
2024/10/16 15:18:52 Freq=452.462500 DCC=10 RAS L10-10 neighbor: Site L10-26
2024/10/16 15:18:52 Freq=452.462500 DCC=10 RAS Blocking network ID change from L10 to ?127
2024/10/16 15:18:52 Freq=452.462500 DCC=10 RAS L10-10 neighbor: Site L10-9
2024/10/16 15:18:52 Freq=452.462500 DCC=10 RAS L10-10 neighbor: Site L10-7
2024/10/16 15:18:52 Freq=452.462500 DCC=10 RAS L10-10 neighbor: Site L10-32
2024/10/16 15:18:52 Freq=452.462500 DCC=10 RAS L10-10 neighbor: Site L10-26
2024/10/16 15:18:52 Freq=452.462500 DCC=10 RAS L10-10 neighbor: Site L10-9
2024/10/16 15:18:52 Freq=452.462500 DCC=10 RAS L10-10 neighbor: Site L10-7
2024/10/16 15:18:52 Freq=452.462500 DCC=10 RAS L10-10 neighbor: Site L10-32
2024/10/16 15:18:52 Freq=452.462500 DCC=10 RAS L10-10 neighbor: Site L10-26
2024/10/16 15:18:52 Freq=452.462500 DCC=10 RAS L10-10 neighbor: Site L10-9
2024/10/16 15:18:52 Freq=452.462500 DCC=10 RAS L10-10 neighbor: Site L10-7

it goes on way longer than that but you guys get the idea.

heres pics of the anderson ers-oci and muncies tier 3. Im in muncie and anderson is probably less than 15 miles from me