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F-35 Program under fire



Hoping that Langley units trade in their F-22s for some of the F-35s
 

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Got this off the FAA SUA site & thought some of you might be interested.
§73.40 Maryland R-4001A Aberdeen, MD Boundaries. Beginning at lat. 39°30'30''N., long. 76°09'59''W.; to lat. 39°29'00''N., long. 76°07'59''W.; to lat. 39°29'30''N., long. 76°04'59''W.; to lat. 39°27'00''N., long. 76°00'29''W.; to lat. 39°19'47''N., long. 76°11'33''W.; to lat. 39°17'30''N., long. 76°12'58''W.; to lat. 39°16'24''N., long. 76°16'17''W.; to lat. 39°17'13''N., long. 76°18'48''W.; to lat. 39°18'42''N., long. 76°18'48''W.; to lat. 39°20'03''N., long. 76°20'30''W.; to lat. 39°19'56''N., long. 76°21'02''W.; to lat. 39°20'39''N., long. 76°21'59''W.; to lat. 39°22'00''N., long. 76°21'59''W.; to lat. 39°23'28''N., long. 76°20'39''W.; to lat. 39°26'10''N., long. 76°14'49''W.; to lat. 39°27'00''N., long. 76°12'29''W.; to the point of beginning, excluding R-4001C. Designated altitudes and time of designation. 1. Surface to unlimited, 0700 to 2400 local time. 2/16/20 JO 7400.10B 78 2. Surface to 10,000 feet MSL, 0000 to 0700 local time; higher altitudes by NOTAM issued 24 hours in advance. Controlling agency. FAA, Washington ARTCC. Using agency. U.S. Army, Commander, Aberdeen Proving Ground, MD. AMENDMENTS 07/24/14 79 FR 29661 (Amended)

R-4001B Aberdeen, MD Boundaries. Beginning at lat. 39°17'30''N., long. 76°12'58''W.; to lat. 39°12'10''N., long. 76°16'29''W.; to lat. 39°12'45''N., long. 76°22'29''W.; to lat. 39°17'30''N., long. 76°19'44''W.; to lat. 39°18'30''N., long. 76°21'59''W.; to lat. 39°20'39''N., long. 76°21'59''W.; to lat. 39°19'56''N., long. 76°21'02''W.; to lat. 39°20'03''N., long. 76°20'30''W.; to lat. 39°18'42''N., long. 76°18'48''W.; to lat. 39°17'13''N., long. 76°18'48''W.; to lat. 39°16'24''N., long. 76°16'17''W.; to the point of beginning. Designated altitudes. Surface to 10,000 feet MSL, higher altitudes by NOTAM issued 24 hours in advance. Time of designation. Intermittent, as activated by NOTAM 24 hours in advance. Controlling agency. FAA, Washington ARTCC. Using agency. U.S. Army, Commander, Aberdeen Proving Ground, MD. AMENDMENTS 07/24/14 79 FR 29661 (Amended)

R-4001C Aberdeen, MD Boundaries. Beginning at lat. 39°21'50''N., long. 76°21'59''W.; to lat. 39°23'01''N., long. 76°16'35''W.; to lat. 39°21'04''N., long. 76°15'52''W.; to lat. 39°19'56''N., long. 76°21'02''W.; to lat. 39°20'39''N., long. 76°21'59''W.; to the point of beginning. Designated altitudes. Surface to 10,000 feet MSL. Time of designation. Continuous. Controlling agency. FAA, Potomac TRACON. Using agency. U.S. Army, Commander, Aberdeen Proving Ground, MD. AMENDMENTS 07/24/14 79 FR 29661

(Added) R-4002 Bloodsworth Island, MD Boundaries. Beginning at lat. 38°13'00"N., long. 75°59'59"W.; to lat. 38°08'00"N., long. 75°59'59"W.; to lat. 38°08'00"N., long. 76°08'49"W.; to lat. 38°13'00"N., long. 76°11'19"W.; to the point of beginning. Designated altitudes. Surface to and including 20,000 feet MSL. 2/16/20 JO 7400.10B 79 Time of designation. From sunrise to 2400 hours, local time, daily, other times as specified in a NOTAM issued 48 hours in advance. Controlling agency. FAA, Washington ARTCC. Using agency. U.S. Navy, Commanding Officer, NAS Patuxent River, MD. AMENDMENTS 01/13/11 75 FR 68970 (Amended)

R-4005 Patuxent River, MD Boundaries. Beginning at lat. 38°05'40"N., long. 76°33'31"W.; to lat. 38°11'10"N., long. 76°25'09"W.; to lat. 38°18'20"N., long. 76°17'04"W.; to lat. 38°18'26"N., long. 76°14'29"W.; to lat. 38°13'00"N., long. 76°11'19"W.; to lat. 38°08'00"N., long. 76°08'49"W.; to lat. 37°55'15"N., long. 76°02'29"W.; to lat. 37°53'10"N., long. 76°13'59"W.; to the point of beginning. Designated altitudes. Surface to but not including FL 250. Time of designation. 0700-2300 local time, daily; other times as specified by NOTAM. Controlling agency. FAA, Washington ARTCC. Using agency. U.S. Navy, Commanding Officer, NAS Patuxent River, MD. AMENDMENTS 01/13/11 75 FR 68970 (Amended)

R-4006 Patuxent River, MD Boundaries. Beginning at lat. 38°41'15"N., long. 75°45'59"W.; to lat. 38°32'30"N., long. 75°43'44"W.; to lat. 38°19'00"N., long. 75°36'59"W.; to lat. 37°55'00"N., long. 75°52'29"W.; to lat. 37°45'00"N., long. 75°58'44"W.; to lat. 37°45'00"N., long. 76°23'29"W.; to lat. 37°50'30"N., long. 76°31'59"W.; to lat. 38°05'10"N., long. 76°34'14"W.; to lat. 38°11'10"N., long. 76°25'09"W.; to lat. 38°30'00"N., long. 76°03'59"W.; to lat. 38°36'00"N., long. 75°55'29"W.; along the Pennsylvania Railroad to the point of beginning, excluding R-4002, R-4005, and R-6609. Designated altitudes. 3,500 feet MSL to but not including FL 250. Time of designation. 0700-2300 local time, daily; other times as specified by NOTAM. Controlling agency. FAA, Washington ARTCC. Using agency. U.S. Navy, Commanding Officer, NAS Patuxent River, MD. AMENDMENTS 01/13/11 75 FR 68970 (Amended)

R-4007 Patuxent River, MD Boundaries. Beginning at lat. 38°21'00"N., long. 76°13'59"W.; to lat. 38°11'10"N., long. 76°25'09"W.; to lat. 38°05'10"N., long. 76°34'04"W.; to lat. 38°15'00"N., long. 76°36'34"W.; to lat. 38°17'25"N., long. 76°32'59"W.; to lat. 38°25'40"N., long. 76°23'34"W.; to the point of beginning. Designated Altitudes. Surface to but not including 5,000 feet MSL. 2/16/20 JO 7400.10B 80 Time of designation. 0700-2300 local time, daily; other times as specified by NOTAM. Controlling agency. FAA, Washington ARTCC. Using agency. U.S. Navy, Commanding Officer, NAS Patuxent River, MD. AMENDMENTS 01/13/11 75 FR 68970 (Amended)

R-4008 Patuxent River, MD Boundaries. Beginning at lat. 38°42'00"N., long. 75°51'59"W.; to lat. 38°40'00"N., long. 75°34'59"W.; to lat. 38°20'00"N., long. 75°38'59"W.; to lat. 37°45'00"N., long. 76°10'59"W.; to lat. 37°45'00"N., long. 76°23'59"W.; to lat. 37°51'00"N., long. 76°31'59"W.; to lat. 37°55'00"N., long. 76°32'59"W.; to lat. 38°17'00"N., long. 76°17'59"W.; thence to the point of beginning. Designated altitudes. FL 250 to FL 850. Time of designation. 0700-2300 local time, daily; other times as specified by NOTAM. Controlling agency. FAA, Washington ARTCC. Using agency. U.S. Navy, Commanding Officer, NAS Patuxent River, MD AMENDMENTS 04/06/89 54 FR 6879 (Amended) Corr: 54 FR 13877

R-4009 Thurmont, MD Boundaries. That airspace within a 3 NM radius of the Naval Support Facility (lat. 39°38'53" N., long. 77°28'00"W.). Designated altitudes. 5,000 feet MSL to 12,500 feet MSL. Time of designation. Continuous: Transit may be authorized by Washington ARTCC when conditions permit. Controlling agency. FAA, Washington ARTCC. Using agency. FAA, Washington ARTCC.
 

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"29-92 is a common split for A-A", can you please elaborate on this?
Sorry, was lazy with shorthand.

A-A is air to air mode for TACAN. The 29-92 means one aircraft selects Channel 29, and the other selects Channel 92 on the respective TACAN control panels, and then select air to air mode. From my time flying, it was a common split (pairing is probably a better term) of channels when coordinating this mode. Easily remembered numbers in aviation.

Hopefully that helped! Happy to groove more on it if you want.
 

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Here's the NJ SUAs

§73.50 New Jersey R-5001A Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst, NJ Boundaries. Beginning at Lat. 40°02'45'' N., long. 74°26'59'' W.; to lat. 40°00'00'' N., long. 74°26'19'' W.; to lat. 39°59'00'' N., long. 74°25'07'' W.; to lat. 39°58'00'' N., long. 74°24'59'' W.; to lat. 39°57'30'' N., long. 74°25'16'' W.; to lat. 39°57'23'' N., long. 74°25'49'' W.; to lat. 39°58'45'' N., long. 74°27'59'' W.; to lat. 39°58'45'' N., long. 74°31'24'' W.; to lat. 39°59'15'' N., long. 74°33'29'' W.; to lat. 40°01'53'' N., long. 74°33'29'' W.; to lat. 40°02'45'' N., long. 74°32'29'' W.; to the point of beginning. Designated altitudes. Surface to 4,000 feet MSL. Time of designation. 0600 to 2330 local time, daily; other times by NOTAM issued at least four hours in advance. Controlling agency. U.S. Air Force, McGuire Radar Approach Control. Using agency. Commanding Officer, U.S. Army Support Activity, Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst, NJ. AMENDMENTS 07/24/14 79 FR 27730 (Amended)

R-5001B Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst, NJ Boundaries. Beginning at Lat. 40°02'45'' N., long. 74°26'59'' W.; to lat. 40°00'00'' N., long. 74°26'19'' W.; to lat. 39°59'00'' N., long. 74°25'07'' W.; to lat. 39°58'00'' N., long. 74°24'59'' W.; to lat. 39°57'30'' N., long. 74°25'16'' W.; to lat. 39°57'23'' N., long. 74°25'49'' W.; to lat. 39°58'45'' N., long. 74°27'59'' W.; to lat. 39°58'45'' N., long. 74°31'24'' W.; to lat. 40°01'53'' N., long. 74°33'29'' W.; to lat. 40°02'45'' N., long. 74°32'29'' W.; to the point of beginning. Designated altitudes. 4,000 feet MSL to 8,000 feet MSL. Time of designation. Continuous, sunrise Friday to sunset Sunday, other times by NOTAM at least 48 hours in advance. Controlling agency. U.S. Air Force, McGuire Radar Approach Control. Using agency. Commanding Officer, U.S. Army Support Activity, Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst, NJ. AMENDMENTS 07/24/14 79 FR 27730 (Amended) 2/16/20 JO 7400.10B 96

R-5002A Warren Grove, NJ Boundaries. Beginning at lat. 39°43'25"N., long. 74°17'36"W.; to lat. 39°38'25"N., long. 74°24'19"W.; to lat. 39°38'30"N., long. 74°29'29"W.; to lat. 39°39'20"N., long. 74°29'59"W.; to lat. 39°44'50"N., long. 74°24'39"W.; to lat. 39°44'50"N., long. 74°19'19"W.; to the point of beginning. Designated altitudes. Surface to but not including 14,000 feet MSL. Time of designation. Sunrise to sunset, other times as activated by NOTAM issued at least 48 hours in advance. Controlling agency. FAA, New York ARTCC. Using agency. New Jersey ANG, 177th Fighter Wing, Atlantic City, NJ. AMENDMENT 02/09/12 76 FR 77386 (Amended)

R-5002B Warren Grove, NJ Boundaries. Beginning at lat. 39°41'00"N., long. 74°20'51"W.; to lat. 39°40'10"N., long. 74°20'14"W.; to lat. 39°38'50"N., long. 74°21'19"W.; to lat. 39°36'00"N., long. 74°26'29"W.; to lat. 39°36'00"N., long. 74°27'29"W.; to lat. 39°37'00"N., long. 74°28'49"W.; to lat. 39°38'30"N., long. 74°29'29"W.; to lat. 39°38'25"N., long. 74°24'19"W.; to the point of beginning. Designated altitudes. 1,000 feet MSL to but not including 14,000 feet MSL. Time of designation. Sunrise to sunset, other times as activated by NOTAM issued at least 48 hours in advance. Controlling agency. FAA, New York ARTCC. Using agency. New Jersey ANG, 177th Fighter Wing, Atlantic City, NJ. AMENDMENT 02/09/12 76 FR 77386 (Amended)

R-5002C Warren Grove, NJ Boundaries. Beginning at lat. 39°39'20"N., long. 74°29'59"W.; to lat. 39°40'30"N., long. 74°30'39"W.; to lat. 39°44'50"N., long. 74°27'29"W.; to lat. 39°44'50"N., long. 74°24'39"W.; to the point of beginning. Designated altitudes. Surface to 3,000 feet MSL. Time of designation. Sunrise to sunset, other times as activated by NOTAM issued at least 48 hours in advance. Controlling agency. FAA, New York ARTCC. Using agency. New Jersey ANG, 177th Fighter Wing, Atlantic City, NJ. AMENDMENT 02/09/12 76 FR 77386 (Amended)

R-5002D Warren Grove, NJ Boundaries. Beginning at lat. 39°44'50"N., long. 74°24'39"W.; to lat. 39°45'20"N., long. 74°23'44"W.; to lat. 39°45'50"N., long. 74°19'59"W.; to lat. 39°44'50"N., long. 74°19'19"W.; to the point of beginning. Designated altitudes. Surface to 4,000 feet MSL. 2/16/20 JO 7400.10B 97 Time of designation. Sunrise to sunset, other times as activated by NOTAM issued at least 48 hours in advance. Controlling agency. FAA, New York ARTCC. Using agency. New Jersey ANG, 177th Fighter Wing, Atlantic City, NJ. AMENDMENT 02/09/12 76 FR 77386 (Amended)

R-5002E Warren Grove, NJ Boundaries. Beginning at lat. 39°43'25"N., long. 74°17'36"W.; to lat. 39°41'00"N., long. 74°20'51"W.; to lat. 39°40'10"N., long. 74°20'14"W.; to the point of beginning. Designated altitudes. 3,500 feet MSL to but not including 14,000 feet MSL. Time of designation. Sunrise to sunset, other times as activated by NOTAM issued at least 48 hours in advance. Controlling agency. FAA, New York ARTCC. Using agency. New Jersey ANG, 177th Fighter Wing, Atlantic City, NJ. AMENDMENT 02/09/12 76 FR 77386 (Amended)

R-5002F Warren Grove, NJ Boundaries. Beginning at lat. 39°43'25'' N., long. 74°17'36'' W.; to lat. 39°40'10'' N., long. 74°20'14'' W.; to lat. 39°38'50'' N., long. 74°21'19'' W.; to lat. 39°38'25'' N., long. 74°22'05'' W.; to lat. 39°38'25'' N., long. 74°24'19'' W.; to lat. 39°38'30'' N., long. 74°29'29'' W.; to lat. 39°39'20'' N., long. 74°29'59'' W.; to lat. 39°44'50'' N., long. 74°24'39'' W.; to lat. 39°44'50'' N., long. 74°19'19'' W.; to the point of beginning. Designated altitudes. 14,000 feet MSL to but not including FL 200. Time of designation. Sunrise to sunset; other times as activated by NOTAM issued at least 48 hours in advance. Controlling agency. FAA, New York ARTCC. Using agency. New Jersey ANG, 177th Fighter Wing, Atlantic City, NJ. AMENDMENT 02/09/12 76 FR 77386 (Added)

R-5002G Warren Grove, NJ Boundaries. Beginning at lat. 39°49'02'' N., long. 74°00'45'' W.; to lat. 39°38'18'' N., long. 74°12'34'' W.; to lat. 39°38'25'' N., long. 74°22'05'' W.; to lat. 39°38'25'' N., long. 74°24'19'' W.; to lat. 39°38'30'' N., long. 74°29'29'' W.; to lat. 39°39'20'' N., long. 74°29'59'' W.; to lat. 39°44'50'' N., long. 74°24'39'' W.; to lat. 39°49'02'' N., long. 74°16'18'' W.; to point of beginning. Designated altitudes. FL 200 to FL 230. 2/16/20 JO 7400.10B 98 Time of designation. Sunrise to sunset; other times as activated by NOTAM issued at least 48 hours in advance. Controlling agency. FAA, New York ARTCC. Using agency. New Jersey ANG, 177th Fighter Wing, Atlantic City, NJ
 

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Here's the PA ones. Didn't realize they had SUA at Chambersburg.

§73.58 Pennsylvania R-5801 Chambersburg, PA Boundaries. The arc of a circle, having a 5,000-foot radius, centered at lat. 39°59'44"N., long. 77°43'54"W. Designated altitudes. Surface to 4,000 feet MSL. Time of designation. 0800 to 1600 local time, Monday-Friday. Using agency. Commanding Officer, Letterkenny Ordnance Depot, Chambersburg, PA. AMENDMENTS 05/31/12 77 FR 18104 (Amended)

R-5802A Fort Indiantown Gap, PA Boundaries. Beginning at lat. 40°27'30"N., long. 76°44'34"W.; to lat. 40°29'31"N., long. 76°39'07"W.; to lat. 40°28'31"N., long. 76°36'21"W.; to lat. 40°25'06"N., long. 76°44'47"W.; to the point of beginning. Designated altitudes. 200 feet AGL to 5,000 feet MSL. 2/16/20 JO 7400.10B 125 Time of designation. February 15 through May 10 and September 1 through December 15, 0800-2300 local time on Saturdays and 0800-1200 local time on Sundays; May 11 through August 31, 0800-2400 local time on Saturdays and 0800-2000 local time on all other days; other times by NOTAM issued at least 48 hours in advance. Controlling agency. FAA, New York ARTCC. Using agency. Commander, Fort Indiantown Gap, Annville, PA.

R-5802B Fort Indiantown Gap, PA Boundaries. Beginning at lat. 40°25'06"N., long. 76°44'47"W.; to lat. 40°28'31"N., long. 76°36'21"W.; to lat. 40°27'13"N., long. 76°35'13"W.; to lat. 40°26'18"N., long. 76°36'40"W.; to lat. 40°23'24"N., long. 76°43'34"W.; to the point of beginning. Designated altitudes. Surface to 13,000 feet MSL. Time of designation. February 15 through May 10 and September 1 through December 15, 0800-2300 local time on Saturdays and 0800-1200 local time on Sundays; May 11 through August 31, 0800-2400 local time on Saturdays and 0800-2000 local time on all other days; other times by NOTAM issued at least 48 hours in advance. Controlling agency. FAA, New York ARTCC. Using agency. Commander, Fort Indiantown Gap, Annville, PA.

R-5802C Fort Indiantown Gap, PA Boundaries. Beginning at lat. 40°23'24'' N., long. 76°43'34'' W.; to lat. 40°25'06'' N., long. 76°44'47'' W.; to lat. 40°28'00'' N., long. 76°46'59'' W.; to lat. 40°29'42'' N., long. 76°42'59'' W.; to lat. 40°29'31'' N., long. 76°39'07'' W.; to lat. 40°28'31'' N., long. 76°36'21'' W.; to lat. 40°27'13'' N., long. 76°35'13'' W.; to lat. 40°26'18'' N., long. 76°36'40'' W.; thence to point of beginning. Designated altitudes. 500 feet AGL to but not including 17,000 feet MSL. Time of designation. February 15 through May 10 and September 1 through December 15, 0800-2300 local time on Saturdays and 0800-1200 local time on Sundays; May 11 through August 31, 0800-2400 local time on Saturdays and 0800-2000 local time on all other days; other times by NOTAM issued at least 48 hours in advance. Controlling agency. FAA, New York ARTCC. Using agency. Commander, Fort Indiantown Gap, Annville, PA. AMENDMENTS 09/30/04 69 FR 47358 (Added) Corr: 69 FR 57841

R-5802D Fort Indiantown Gap, PA Boundaries. Beginning at lat. 40°23'24''N., long. 76°43'34''W.; to lat. 40°25'06''N., long. 76°44'47''W.; to lat. 40°28'00''N., long. 76°46'59''W.; to lat. 40°29'42''N., long. 76°42'59''W.; to lat. 40°29'31''N., long. 76°39'07''W.; to lat. 40°28'31''N., long. 76°36'21''W.; to lat. 40°27'13''N., long. 76°35'13''W.; to lat. 40°26'18''N., long. 76°36'40''W.; thence to point of beginning. Designated altitudes. 17,000 feet MSL to but not including FL 220. Time of designation. February 15 through May 10 and September 1 through December 15, 0800-2300 local time on Saturdays and 0800-1200 local time on Sundays; May 11 through 2/16/20 JO 7400.10B 126 August 31, 0800-2400 local time on Saturdays and 0800-2000 local time on all other days; other times by NOTAM issued at least 48 hours in advance. Controlling agency. FAA, New York ARTCC. Using agency. Commander, Fort Indiantown Gap, Annville, PA. AMENDMENTS 09/30/04 69 FR 47358 (Added) Corr: 69 FR 57841

R-5802E Fort Indiantown Gap, PA Boundaries. Beginning at lat. 40°29'42''N., long. 76°42'59''W.; to lat. 40°29'31''N., long. 76°39'07''W.; to lat. 40°28'31''N., long. 76°36'21''W.; to lat. 40°27'13''N., long. 76°35'13''W.; to lat. 40°23'45''N., long. 76°32'36''W.; to lat. 40°22'50''N., long. 76°34'03''W.; to lat. 40°19'55''N., long. 76°40'59''W.; thence clockwise along the arc of a 4-nautical-mile radius circle centered at lat. 40°23'24'' N., long. 76°43'34''W.; to lat. 40°21'48''N., long. 76°48'18''W.; to lat. 40°26'04''N., long. 76°51'34''W.; to lat. 40°28'00''N., long. 76°46'59''W.; thence to point of beginning. Designated altitudes. FL 220 to FL 250. Time of designation. February 15 through May 10 and September 1 through December 15, 0800-2300 local time on Saturdays and 0800-1200 local time on Sundays; May 11 through August 31, 0800-2400 local time on Saturdays and 0800-2000 local time on all other days; other times by NOTAM issued at least 48 hours in advance. Controlling agency. FAA, New York ARTCC. Using agency. Commander, Fort Indiantown Gap, Annville, PA. AMENDMENTS 09/30/04 69 FR 47358 (Added) Corr: 69 FR 57841

R-5803 Chambersburg, PA Boundaries. A circular area with a 5,500-foot radius centered at lat. 40°02'29"N., long. 77°44'19"W. Designated altitudes. Surface to 4,000 feet MSL. Time of designation. 0800 to 1600 local time, Monday-Friday. Using agency. Commanding Officer, Letterkenny Ordnance Depot, Chambersburg, PA.
 

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Sorry, was lazy with shorthand.

A-A is air to air mode for TACAN. The 29-92 means one aircraft selects Channel 29, and the other selects Channel 92 on the respective TACAN control panels, and then select air to air mode. From my time flying, it was a common split (pairing is probably a better term) of channels when coordinating this mode. Easily remembered numbers in aviation.

Hopefully that helped! Happy to groove more on it if you want.

Thank you, not having access to channel designators and assuming channel spacing is consistent, its easy then to extrapolate either one from the other this way. Are there giveaways during a conversation where it would be obvious this is being used?
 

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Busy travel day for Marine 1 and AF 1 and AF 2 tomorrow (Friday) as POTUS and VP travel to Atlanta and Camp David.

10:45 AM THE PRESIDENT departs the White House en route Joint Base Andrews
11:05 AM THE PRESIDENT departs Joint Base Andrews en route Dobbins Air Reserve Base, Georgia
12:45 PM THE PRESIDENT arrives at Dobbins Air Reserve Base
1:30 PM THE PRESIDENT departs Dobbins Air Reserve Base en route DeKalb-Peachtree Airport
1:45 PM THE PRESIDENT arrives at DeKalb-Peachtree Airport
7:40 PM THE PRESIDENT departs DeKalb-Peachtree Airport en route Dobbins Air Reserve Base
7:55 PM THE PRESIDENT arrives at Dobbins Air Reserve Base
8:05 PM THE PRESIDENT departs Dobbins Air Reserve Base en route Joint Base Andrews
9:45 PM THE PRESIDENT departs Joint Base Andrews en route Camp David
 

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Sorry, was lazy with shorthand.

A-A is air to air mode for TACAN. The 29-92 means one aircraft selects Channel 29, and the other selects Channel 92 on the respective TACAN control panels, and then select air to air mode. From my time flying, it was a common split (pairing is probably a better term) of channels when coordinating this mode. Easily remembered numbers in aviation.

Hopefully that helped! Happy to groove more on it if you want.

Thanks for the information. I monitored the CAP on Monday and the 2992 was again used - however in this case I believe it was related to the altimeter setting being used so that both the fighter and the tanker were at the same altitude. Point being is that the fighter confirmed he was visual on the tanker.

Not saying that the 29-92 was not TACAN but generally when I have heard TACAN discussed the numbers are associated with letters X or Y -- example the tanker says we are using Y29 (YANKEE 29) with the Y sounded out phonetically to avoid confusion.
 

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Not saying that the 29-92 was not TACAN but generally when I have heard TACAN discussed the numbers are associated with letters X or Y

Another reason why it might not refer to the TACAN channels is that you have the Milton VORTAC channel 29 and the Brooke TACAN Channel 92 both within VHF range of the CAP area at FL260. I suspect both are close enough that they would "interfere" with the tanker/receiver DME signals ? In this case both stations are "Y" so perhaps if you selected 29X-92X in this case it would be okay, but you would think it would need to be specified ?

I notice in the DOD Area Planning Document the TACAN Channels to be used by both Tanker and Receiver are listed for each AR Route without specifying "Y" or "X". I'm wondering if one is assumed or its normal procedure to confirm either "Y" or "X" before tanking ? The times I have heard them talk about it A-A, called "Yardstick", they have always mentioned the letter. ie: "Yardstick is 15Y".
 

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