Sticky Thread For Mid-Atlantic MilAir 2021

[mdmonitor]

In the "Mid Atlantic Area Milair Frequencies" list there is an entry for:

307.275 New York ARTCC Dupont Sector

But no entry for 307.250. I presume the 307.275 is an error and should be listed as 307.250 and "Washington" Dupont ? (The Radio Reference database and the ZDC SOP shows 307.250 as Washington Dupont).

There is a 307.275 though, from Thursday.



I was able to confirm the handoff from LiveATC as 307.275, but I can't find any reference to this frequency. It appears to cover the same area as Dupont 307.250, or maybe Woodstown ? Can anyone confirm the sector ?

Incidentally I was trying to find more LiveATC coms from that DOOM flight (4 BUFFS ?) but couldn't find anything on any adjacent frequencies after that handoff. Anyone have more info. or where they might have ended up ?

Maybe they flubbed up and it was 307.025 ZDC Pinion. Travis' list has these freqs:


307.02500,ZDC Pinion High Sector 04 Falls Church VA RCAG <133.975>,,ZDC,,
307.25000,ZDC Dupont Low Sector 18 Modena PA RCAG <132.525>
307.27500,ZDC Super High South NJ area,,ZDC,,

307.02500		B		ZDC04 PIN-H	Sector 04 Pinion Hi

 

[AirScan]

Travis' list has these freqs: 307.27500,ZDC Super High South NJ area,,ZDC,,

Thanks. I'm not familiar with the "Travis'" list, is there a link to it ? It shows 307.275 as a Super High however on Thursday it was a Low sector. Spare multi-use frequency maybe ?

 

[Mark]

Rgr they were dropping down to FL 16k when they pushed that 307.275 so a ZDC/ZNY low sector?
Thought they might be inbound Langley or Andrews to operate from there but no other reports yet.

Thanks Ed for report.. Guess another callsign to add for the Langley F-22's.
Yeah DOOM 1 thru 4 sounded a bit odd for Buffs. They usually use double digits.

 

[jetcrafter]

Incidentally I was trying to find more LiveATC coms from that DOOM flight (4 BUFFS ?) but couldn't find anything on any adjacent frequencies after that handoff. Anyone have more info. or where they might have ended up ?

Airscan, all, the DOOM flight was Langley F-22s who went up to Lightning ATCAA over NY/VT to play with the VT 158th FW F-35s that day. This was confirmed by New England monitors. Huntress frequencies were mostly used along with 158th a2a 314.4 and Langley 1st FW a2a of 257.075

Hope this helps clear up any confusion.

 

[Tech792]

1326- Current CAP tanker showing bogus HEX and Reg: AC0220/N873GQ

Some Twitter chat about it in the past:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1309038767462920198

 

[mdmonitor]

Thanks. I'm not familiar with the "Travis'" list, is there a link to it ? It shows 307.275 as a Super High however on Thursday it was a Low sector. Spare multi-use frequency maybe ?

Travis (Freqhopping on this Forum) has shared, on this Forum, a Mid Atlantic milair freq list that he compiled. I was awhile ago, maybe you can search the Forum and find it or ask Travis.

Since it's not my work I'd rather not pass on a copy of the file.

 

[Mark]

1326- Current CAP tanker showing bogus HEX and Reg: AC0220/N873GQ

Yeah that is long time miscode of AE0220 tanker 85-0028.. I think Hop covered this a while back.
McGuire just hasn't bothered to fix it.

 

[Madfox]

Coronet East 045

All in, slight hesitation on 87-0322 as being ex Alabama, if anyone can confirm that tail is now at KACY, would be great.

Moron 27/03/2021 CE045 Eastbound
TABOR 11-16 KACY>LEMO
86-0303 F-16C 119FS/177FW/AC
86-0309 F-16C 119FS/177FW/AC
86-0328 F-16C 119FS/177FW/AC
87-0230 F-16C 119FS/177FW/AC
87-0236 F-16C 119FS/177FW/AC
87-0324 F-16C 119FS/177FW/AC
84-0186 KC-10A 305AMW/McGuire GOLD61 KWRI>LEMO
59-1467 KC-135T 171ARW/PA`ANG GOLD62 KPIT>LEMO

TABOR 21-26 KACY>LEMO
86-0333 F-16C 119FS/177FW/AC
86-0340 F-16C 121FS/113Wg/DC
86-0347 F-16C 119FS/177FW/AC
86-0352 F-16C 119FS/177FW/AC
(87-0322) F-16C 119FS/177FW/AC
87-0340 F-16C 119FS/177FW/AC
87-0118 KC-10A 305AMW/McGuire GOLD71 KWRI>LEMO
62-3578 KC-135R 141ARS/108Wg/NJ`ANG GOLD72 KWRI>LEMO

 

[hippieman556]

what radar program is everyone using ? because ads exchange seems to be limited

 

[AirScan]

Airscan, all, the DOOM flight was Langley F-22s who went up to Lightning ATCAA over NY/VT to play with the VT 158th FW F-35s that day.

Ah okay. Thanks.

 

[AirScan]

what radar program is everyone using ? because ads exchange seems to be limited

I'm using ADS-B Exchange. What's limiting about it ?

 

[hippieman556]

I'm using ADS-B Exchange. What's limiting about it ?

doesn't show all the military flights etc that everyone is talking about

 

[McRadioface]

<edit fail here>

 

[McRadioface]

doesn't show all the military flights etc that everyone is talking about

ya gotta poke around on that site to get specifically narrowed results.

 

[nyafterburnr]

1542 - NICE99 (83-0079) 305th/514th AMW KC10 en route to the hold over the Biden TFR.

 

[TerryPavlick]

1542 - NICE99 (83-0079) 305th/514th AMW KC10 en route to the hold over the Biden TFR.

NICE99 from adsbexchange web site

 

[TerryPavlick]

Yeah that is long time miscode of AE0220 tanker 85-0028.. I think Hop covered this a while back.
McGuire just hasn't bothered to fix it.

If the military was the only one doing it - I would say that it is part of a action plan. However, I spend every day updating my database (both of them since I feed from two locations) ....updating aircraft details. Whether the tail number is wrong, aircraft is flying with the older hex code - or someone just does not bother to change from the manufacturers hex code. In most cases (not saying every case) it is just a case of either being lazy, not paying full attention to the process or just having fun. Anyone can change the hex code - plenty of example of how to do it for small aircraft. Having been in the commercial aviation industry for over 40 years before retirement - I have seen plenty of situations where things are not set properly. While we look at it from an monitoring aspect - if it was a "safety of flight issue" the ATC/FAA would make more of a deal about it. Since they really do not - we can presume that ATC knows which aircraft is which no matter what is programmed in to the transponder. When I see PA28 and other general aviation (and some business aircraft) set incorrectly - you can tell it is just a problem that is only one for us not the folks that really need to know.

 

[Mark]

Rgr Terry miscoded names as well and like you say. If it doesn't bother the military then
it doesn't bother me .
Speaking of miscoded names BOBBY-41 2045z with inbound message for McGuire.
KC-10 showing as KNOB-11 #79-1712.. KNOB-11 Prob was callsign while working up on Canada NATO exercise.
ADSBX is fine tool but you still need the radio ears too!

 

[TerryPavlick]

Rgr Terry miscoded names as well and like you say. If it doesn't bother the military then
it doesn't bother me .
Speaking of miscoded names BOBBY-41 2045z with inbound message for McGuire.
KC-10 showing as KNOB-11 #79-1712.. KNOB-11 Prob was callsign while working up on Canada NATO exercise.
ADSBX is fine tool but you still need the radio ears too!

Commercial airliners have the same problem-- RPA 2345 (but it is actually flying the flight that should be RPA 2346). Heck the pilots sometimes forget what their callsign name / number is over the radio. Or the best ones - American 438T climbing to 7 thousand direct Sea Isle - I mean Reach 438T.

Terry

 

[Madfox]

Rgr Terry miscoded names as well and like you say. If it doesn't bother the military then
it doesn't bother me .
Speaking of miscoded names BOBBY-41 2045z with inbound message for McGuire.
KC-10 showing as KNOB-11 #79-1712.. KNOB-11 Prob was callsign while working up on Canada NATO exercise.
ADSBX is fine tool but you still need the radio ears too!

Not checked back but likely BOBBY41/79-1712 dragged the Duluth F16s back from Thule on the 25th, CUBE91flt on Coronet North (763)