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DECEE31 has been flying by my house all afternoon. Loving it !

Note - A smaller plane has been flying with it with no ID
 

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It looks like 01-0015 has been at ATL since 10/4. Can anyone confirm? Why would it be there for so long?

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Maintenace with Delta? I believe they get certain mx done there.
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01-0015 has finally returned to ADW, appears that C-32A 98-0001 will now get mx done at ATL after finishing work with L3 at Majors in Texas.
 

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Maintenace with Delta? I believe they get certain mx done there.


01-0015 has finally returned to ADW, appears that C-32A 98-0001 will now get mx done at ATL after finishing work with L3 at Majors in Texas.
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From Delta Tech Ops web site

"Delta TechOps has a long standing history of supporting various commercial derivative platforms including the C40, C32, and the P-8," said Jack Arehart, President – MRO Services. "This expansion into helping identify where best commercial practices could be incorporated into U.S. Air Force operations review is exciting."

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Off topic but Liberty Airport KEWR is having delays due to wind..
GOJET-4532 CRJ7on AIRINC 129.900 complaining to the company dispatcher patch about the hold due to possible low fuel.
We are not ACARS equipped. Any alternate landing facilities? Gonna spin at Yardley at FL12k for now.
G74532 (GJS4532) GoJet Flight Tracking and History - FlightAware

2042 local TERRA-59 C-32 #00-9001 inbound McGuire CP 251.200 with 39k on fuel. Looks like it did training run out to Ohio and back.

ADSBX A couple of MOOSE 22,23 C-17's look like night paradrops in Georgia. FL 12k speed on 167 knots or less. Darn near stall speed.
After drops sped up again.
 
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TV station choppers out of Philly converging on Wilm area A/A 135.875 and KILG tower 126.000
Converging on Christiana Mall area. Funny as TV contractor choppers guys all know each other
and helping each other out :) Follwing a flatbed truck with flashing lights.. Carjacking it seems.
2217 "Another 4 miles and we will be in Maryland" A/A 135.875 ADSB shows all choppers tracking rte 40 westbound
2223 Circling area off rte 40.. They keep making cracks about another politician getting carjacked.
2225 CHOPPER 6 TV chopper N606HD rtb Philly and CHOPPER 10 news N10XV will follow CHOPPER6 back to Philly
and CHOPPER 3 news N20TV rtb. Have no idea what this was all about :)

OK here was the news report..
Congresswoman carjacked in Philadelphia: Congresswoman Mary Gay Scanlon's stolen vehicle located in Delaware, sources say. - 6abc Philadelphia

Yes lets defund the Police :(
 
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One photo shows though 85-0007 it seems..

It's hard to tell but I see it as 6017 (86-0017). RCH6017. Is there some significance to when they use their tail number as a callsign vs a mission number ?

GOJET-4532 CRJ7on AIRINC 129.900 complaining to the company dispatcher patch about the hold due to possible low fuel.

Strange that they are doing phone patches on 129.900. There was another one to an ABX flight about 20 minutes later as well. It seemed in the past 129.900 was an exclusive "Oceanic" frequency mostly used for assigning HF frequencies, and if someone did call on 129.900 looking for a phone patch they would switch them to the other ARINC "Domestic" frequencies. You could hear both sides of the 4532 patch on the LiveATC 129.900 at JFK feed.
 
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It's hard to tell but I see it as 6017 (86-0017). RCH6017. Is there some significance to when they use their tail number as a callsign vs a mission number ?



Strange that they are doing phone patches on 129.900. There was another one to an ABX flight about 20 minutes later as well. It seemed in the past 129.900 was an exclusive "Oceanic" frequency mostly used for assigning HF frequencies, and if someone did call on 129.900 looking for a phone patch they would switch them to the other ARINC "Domestic" frequencies. You could hear both sides of the 4532 patch on the LiveATC 129.900 at JFK feed.

No not strange at all - that is what the airlines and other operators pay ARINC for - air to ground communications (data - voice). Nothing in the documents I posted early this morning specified the use of the frequency - only the area covered. There are also multiple ground tx/rx sites along the coast and multiple radio operators. An aircraft circling Yardley PA at 12K will not have a great impact on an aircraft over the Atlantic off the coast of Maryland by 150 miles (for example) passing their position report and obtaining HF frequencies. Besides most aircraft going over the water can use ACARS, Satcom or HF Datalink depending on the airline and type of aircraft - to receive updates. If the frequency is tied up for a few minutes - it only delays the position reports that are used to update the tracking. Once the report is received the tracking is updated. That is why you normally hear the pilots report their current position and time (etc) plus the next position and time and then say XYZ position next. So they have provided a tracking and time update for three positions based on the current aircraft data. Spacing and tracking is understood and managed well. Remember ARINC is only the middle person in between the aircraft and the controlling center.....it is presumed that the crew will manage the safety of flight regardless of whether they remain in contact with anyone on the ground. That is why 121.500 and 123.45 are very active over the ocean. The crews talk to each other if there are issues. Just remember all pilots are taught -

Aviate, Navigate, Communicate some do it better than others but it is taught for a reason. If there is an issue - keep the plane flying - figure out where you are and where you are going then ask for help from others.
 

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Strange that they are doing phone patches on 129.900. There was another one to an ABX flight about 20 minutes later as well. It seemed in the past 129.900 was an exclusive "Oceanic" frequency mostly used for assigning HF frequencies, and if someone did call on 129.900 looking for a phone patch they would switch them to the other ARINC "Domestic" frequencies. You could hear both sides of the 4532 patch on the LiveATC 129.900 at JFK feed.
Like I said earlier and Terry posted AIRINC has made some changes under new Collins management.. Gone is the old 129.450 and others
and 129.900 covers the entire Atlantic Seaboard.. I also had that freq 124.450 as ZNY Oceanic.. Guess no more.
Maybe will get that rowdy no mask wearing Airline Pax divert soon on 129.900..
 

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Gone is the old 129.450 and others and 129.900 covers the entire Atlantic Seaboard..

Gone from NY but the latest ARINC Chart seems to indicate that San Francsico has taken over 129.450 and 129.400 in that area. So you guys are not hearing anything anymore on 129.450 or 129.400 ? Hopefully it won't become "a thing" to run phone patches on 129.900, real annoying when you are trying to get your HF frequencies.
 
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Gone from NY but the latest ARINC Chart seems to indicate that San Francsico has taken over 129.450 and 129.400 in that area. So you guys are not hearing anything anymore on 129.450 or 129.400 ? Hopefully it won't become "a thing" to run phone patches on 129.900, real annoying when you are trying to get your HF frequencies.

Note that San Francisco and New York are all part of the same company. The work has just been divided up differently than 30-40 years ago.
Another consideration is data communication. Voice has been replaced by a lot of data. Years ago we would read magazines and limited threads of the "new" internet to learn about radio and military stuff...now you will read what I type almost instantly. So if an issue does not really require voice communication - the pilots type out a message in the cockpit and someone replies. The number of frequencies needed for voice has changed very little while the number of frequencies for ACARS and other VHF digital modes has increased. Additionally note that the chart shows coverage for aircraft flying above 20K. There are other sites located at airports for on ground communication.

How do you receive a frequency without voice (aircraft told to contact New York Center on 133.500) (inbound to New York area from over the ocean)


FANS-1/A CPDLC MESSAGE:
CPDLC UPLINK MESSAGE:
HEADER:
MSG ID: 7
TIMESTAMP: 08:55:27
MESSAGE DATA:
CONTACT [ICAOUNITNAME] [FREQUENCY]
FACILITY NAME: NEW YORK
FACILITY FUNCTION: CENTER
VHF: 133.500 MHZ

09:10 local time - monitoring a medical type call on 129.450 - think it was a Frontier Airlines flight
09:21 local time - ABX 7392 with departure message for operations on 129.400
 
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