SAM579 99-0402 GLF5 left Miami headed north, currently tracking on my ADSB feed over North Carolina.
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Sorry for my late reply, the 167th has 8 C-17s, 89-1190 has been at Boeing Field for several months and 96-0006 at Robins AFB for several weeks
I've monitored a few of these flights now using the LiveATC archives. Some observations.
They are flying published SLOW SPEED LOW ALTITUDE TRAINING ROUTES, known as "SR" Routes. These routes are not shown on Aeronautical charts but are published in the AP/1B Manual.
Some highlights from Chapter 4 of the AP/1B Manual.
General. Unlike IRs VRs, SRs are not part of the MTR system and therefore have no directive guidance in the Aeronautical Information Manual (AIM) or the Order JO 7610.4x. Slow Routes are low-level routes at or below 1500 feet AGL, and are published in AP/1B. Flight above 1500 feet AGL does not meet the prescribed criteria of the SR system.
Communications. Pilots should monitor 255.4 MHz while on SRs, if practicable, this does not preclude the use of tactical or discrete frequencies. The Remarks/Special Operating Procedures section of the SR may direct mandatory radio calls on specific radio frequencies to warn other aircraft of possible traffic conflicts.
Scheduling and Coordination. Unlike IRs or VRs, FSS’s are not notified of a scheduled SR. There is no overall mechanism to inform military or civilian aviators that a SR Route is active; the burden rests squarely on the pilot. As a result, pilots should expect no pre-planned deconfliction from other IFR/VFR military or civilian traffic within the ATC System.
SR Routes from Martinsburg
Remarks: (Common to all Martinsburg SR Routes)
(1) Radio contact with Martinsburg tower is mandatory prior to entering the control zone.
(2) Minimum altitude: 500' AGL.
(3) Entry Point: Martinsburg VORTAC 313/16.
(4) Exit Point: Martinsburg VORTAC 283/7.
Coordinates.
SR-802
at or above 05 AGL A N39°33.00' W78°08.00'
at or above 05 AGL B N39°17.00' W78°33.00'
at or above 05 AGL C N39°06.00' W78°35.00'
at or above 05 AGL D N39°01.00' W78°19.00'
at or above 05 AGL E N39°05.00' W78°05.00'
at or above 05 AGL F N39°11.00' W78°04.00'
at or above 05 AGL G N39°24.00' W78°00.00'
ROUTE WIDTH
3 NM either side of centerline from (A) to (D)
1 NM either side of centerline from (D) to (G).
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SR-803
at or above 05 AGL A N39°33.00' W78°08.00'
at or above 05 AGL B N39°32.00' W78°37.00'
at or above 05 AGL C N39°01.00' W78°19.00'
at or above 05 AGL D N39°05.00' W78°05.00'
at or above 05 AGL E N39°11.00' W78°04.00'
at or above 05 AGL F N39°24.00' W78°00.00'
ROUTE WIDTH
3 NM either side of centerline from (A) to(C)
1 NM either side of centerline from (C) to (F)
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SR-804
at or above 05 AGL A N39°33.00' W78°08.00'
at or above 05 AGL B N39°33.00' W78°27.00'
at or above 05 AGL C N39°21.00' W78°46.00'
at or above 05 AGL D N39°06.00' W78°35.00'
at or above 05 AGL E N39°01.00' W78°19.00'
at or above 05 AGL F N39°05.00' W78°05.00'
at or above 05 AGL G N39°11.00' W78°04.00'
at or above 05 AGL H N39°24.00' W78°00.00'
ROUTE WIDTH
3 NM either side of centerline from (A) to (E)
1 NM either side of centerline from (E) to (H)
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SR-806
at or above 05 AGL A N39°33.00' W78°08.00'
at or above 05 AGL B N39°52.00' W77°58.00'
at or above 05 AGL C N39°32.00' W78°37.00'
at or above 05 AGL D N39°01.00' W78°19.00'
at or above 05 AGL E N39°05.00' W78°05.00'
at or above 05 AGL F N39°11.00' W78°04.00'
at or above 05 AGL G N39°24.00' W78°00.00'
ROUTE WIDTH
1 NM either side of centerline from (A) to (B)
3 NM either side of centerline from (B) to (D)
1 NM either side of centerline from (D) to (G)
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SR-807
at or above 05 AGL A N39°33.00' W78°06.00'
at or above 05 AGL B N39°52.00' W77°58.00'
at or above 05 AGL C N40°03.00' W78°22.00'
at or above 05 AGL D N39°42.00' W78°39.00'
at or above 05 AGL E N39°01.00' W78°19.00'
at or above 05 AGL F N39°05.00' W78°05.00'
at or above 05 AGL G N39°11.00' W78°04.00'
at or above 05 AGL H N39°24.00' W78°00.00'
ROUTE WIDTH
1 NM either side of centerline from (A) to (B)
3 NM either side of centerline from (B) to (E)
1 NM either side of centerline from (E) to (H)
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SR-808
at or above 05 AGL A N39°33.00' W78°08.00'
at or above 05 AGL B N39°52.00' W77°58.00'
at or above 05 AGL C N39°59.00' W78°15.00'
at or above 05 AGL D N39°41.00' W78°58.00'
at or above 05 AGL E N39°23.00' W79°11.00'
at or above 05 AGL F N39°01.00' W78°19.00'
at or above 05 AGL G N39°05.00' W78°05.00'
at or above 05 AGL H N39°11.00' W78°04.00'
at or above 05 AGL I N39°24.00' W78°00.00'
1 NM either side of centerline from (A) to (B)
3 NM either side of centerline from (B) to (F)
1 NM either side of centerline from (F) to (I)
I have not had a chance to plot them all but the 6 routes appear to be covering the same area with minor differences. From what I've heard it's not uncommon for the aircraft to mention the specific SR route they are going to work when talking to ATC. Here are two SR route tracks flown by aircraft that stayed at 5000 feet because they could not descend due to weather minimum restrictions. Normally they seem to drop off ADSB-X below around 3000 feet in that area.
The flights I monitored started off IFR at 5000 feet, then cancelled IFR to descend to low altitude. What ATC frequencies they used depended on what point they decided to cancel IFR or flight following. If cancelled early they were handed off and released from Potomac 126.825, "radar services terminated, frequency change approved". One flight that cancelled late used 126.825 PCT > 133.550 ZDC > 120.450 PCT > 126.100 PCT > 124.300 MRB TWR. This will vary depending on how they have the sectors configured, one flight went from 126.825 PCT > 133.650 ZDC when the ZDC sectors were split.
I'd be interested in what you hear on 255.400.
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Possibly related to the No Drone Zone sign, some guy allegedly sent an email to Joerg Arnu this weekend bragging about flying a drone over Area 51.
Jeorg says he forwarded the email to, you guessed it, the FBI. 😲
Re: Odd post about homemade uav flown into area 51 (dreamlandresort.com)
SAM250 now off WSAP to Andersen Air Force Base in Guam.
OT looks like Trump Force-1 N757AF went into LaGuardia last night around 7PM local from Palm Beach.
Getting ready for his big announcement tomorrow?
Getting ready for his big announcement tomorrow?
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VIP Movement Summary (does not include POTUS, VPOTUS, FLOTUS travel)
DATE: 13 Nov
SAM 504 (C-37 # 06-0500) Lubbock TX-ADW
SAM 592 (C-37 # 09-0525) ADW-Miami-ADW
SAM 466 (C-40 # 02-0042) ADW-MacDill
SAM 567 (C-37 # 97-0400) Austin TX-ADW
SAM 362 (C-32 # 98-0001) ADW-Anchorage?? (tracks drop over Saskatchewan)
SAM 579 (C-37 # 99-0402) ADW-Miami
SAM 558 (C-32 # 99-0004) Ramstein-ADW
DATE: 13 Nov
SAM 504 (C-37 # 06-0500) Lubbock TX-ADW
SAM 592 (C-37 # 09-0525) ADW-Miami-ADW
SAM 466 (C-40 # 02-0042) ADW-MacDill
SAM 567 (C-37 # 97-0400) Austin TX-ADW
SAM 362 (C-32 # 98-0001) ADW-Anchorage?? (tracks drop over Saskatchewan)
SAM 579 (C-37 # 99-0402) ADW-Miami
SAM 558 (C-32 # 99-0004) Ramstein-ADW
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0915- Migs (T-38s 71st FS) out in W386 working w/Gaucho & Mambo flts (F-22s 27th/94th FS). Freqs: 238.825/257.075/262.025/292.3/350.05
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Guys,
Similar to the WVA C-17 low-level activity, a couple of years ago the UH-1s (Mussel) from 1st Helo Sqdn would do some training invloving " mountainous" & "non-mountainous" conditions. I'm guessing the each type required different formations & flt procedures.
The flt lead would announce one of the conditions then call it off and switch to the other condition. I haven't heard them doing that in a couple of years.
Similar to the WVA C-17 low-level activity, a couple of years ago the UH-1s (Mussel) from 1st Helo Sqdn would do some training invloving " mountainous" & "non-mountainous" conditions. I'm guessing the each type required different formations & flt procedures.
The flt lead would announce one of the conditions then call it off and switch to the other condition. I haven't heard them doing that in a couple of years.
He was in town for a ZOA event last night and is overnighted in the city. Presumably he’ll head back to PBIA today.
Thanks, AirScan, for a pile of excellent research. I found the SRs this weekend, too, and I was going to plot the coordinates for the routes to identify the one going over my house. Then I decided that since all I wanted was a freq, that was not necessary. They'd all be the same. Clever idea plotting the higher-altitude DECOY flights.
On your sectional chart, notice the location down at the southwestern corner where the two routes converge and then diverge again as the aircraft turn east. Notice that at that point there's a dam just outside the DECOYs' route and a ridge just barely east of that dam and directly under DECOY40's route. I live on that ridge, at the south end, at 1650 feet and with a view to the south. You can see why I get a good view of the underside of the C-17s if the pilot continues south a bit before turning east, as DECOY 40 did. (You can see the house on an aerial photo--far south end of the road, green roof, 60 foot tower with a big yagi.)
I'll be putting a monitor on these freqs later today. Look forward to meeting you at MRB some afternoon.
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I recall once flying very low VFR in a 172 somewhere north of Roanoke, down in a valley, and finding myself sharing the valley with something about the size of a 737. Both of us were below the ridges, going in opposite directions through the valley. Kinda gets your attention. (Sort of like in the new Top Gun movie, but with slower aircraft and a much wider valley!)
Steve
On your sectional chart, notice the location down at the southwestern corner where the two routes converge and then diverge again as the aircraft turn east. Notice that at that point there's a dam just outside the DECOYs' route and a ridge just barely east of that dam and directly under DECOY40's route. I live on that ridge, at the south end, at 1650 feet and with a view to the south. You can see why I get a good view of the underside of the C-17s if the pilot continues south a bit before turning east, as DECOY 40 did. (You can see the house on an aerial photo--far south end of the road, green roof, 60 foot tower with a big yagi.)
I'll be putting a monitor on these freqs later today. Look forward to meeting you at MRB some afternoon.
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I recall once flying very low VFR in a 172 somewhere north of Roanoke, down in a valley, and finding myself sharing the valley with something about the size of a 737. Both of us were below the ridges, going in opposite directions through the valley. Kinda gets your attention. (Sort of like in the new Top Gun movie, but with slower aircraft and a much wider valley!)
Steve
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1005- Interesting. ADS-B showing Fiat 11 (KC-10 # 86-0030) off Pease and Fiat 23 (KC-135R # 57-1441) also off Pease. Fiat 11 is near Long Island and Fiat 23 is heading across Upstate NY.
Had note from one of the UK guys last week that Fiat was callsign being used by the OH ANG KC-135s.
Odd that two different types would use the same callsign. Unless Fiat is some new mission callsign. But if it is, one would think that both acft would be flying together.
1045- Fiat 11 is landing at WRI
Had note from one of the UK guys last week that Fiat was callsign being used by the OH ANG KC-135s.
Odd that two different types would use the same callsign. Unless Fiat is some new mission callsign. But if it is, one would think that both acft would be flying together.
1045- Fiat 11 is landing at WRI
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Saw a FIAT Tanker departing Cyprus the other day headed home..I think all were on Eastern Med mission.
See a JOLLY-31 UH-60 from Long Island Gabreski
working westbound thru Pa. One of those 106 RQ special ops choppers with refuel boom.
Agree on the mission callsign. One returned to KLCK yesterday and there wasn't anything out of the ordinary other than the callsign.
And, after the stop in Guam for fuel and directions, off to Honolulu I think.
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Guys,
Hearing some rumblings that an F-18 Growler will be coming into BWI on Thurs PM and will be leaving on Fri.
1125- Scan 04 (CRJ-7 N804X) & Scan 39 (L-39 N391ZA) running comms checks on NGTF discretes (123.225 & 275.2)
Hearing some rumblings that an F-18 Growler will be coming into BWI on Thurs PM and will be leaving on Fri.
1125- Scan 04 (CRJ-7 N804X) & Scan 39 (L-39 N391ZA) running comms checks on NGTF discretes (123.225 & 275.2)
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