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[CitationJet]

06.25.2007 pm

Just a couple of notes from a quick bit of monitoring yesterday afternoon...

1802Z 118.950 TITUS 26 - deps ADW 2000' for 3000' then cleared to 9000'.

Also around this time, the 121st FS DC ANG were up on 139.700, 139.900, and 143.600 with BRAVE 61 one of the callsigns. Reception was so scratchy that I just turned it off as I headed to IAD. Tin gave us better coverage anyway! Nice set of intercepts!

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Acrft up on 142.25 talking about flight instruments. Also on 237.2 and 278.3 clg other Acrft with no joy, needing to plan a hold. Sorry no call signs passed.
Sounds like they are playing out at KIOWA Range.

 

[TinEar]

Acrft up on 142.25 talking about flight instruments. Also on 237.2 and 278.3 clg other Acrft with no joy, needing to plan a hold. Sorry no call signs passed.

Yes, it's a FLYER flight from Willow Grove working interflight 142.25 and also working at Bollen Range with BALKY, the range controller, and with WARCRAFT, a FAC on the ground.

There's also an F-16 flight from Andrews working interflight 143.15 and at Pax in R-4005...callsign BULLY (BULLY later mentions they're going to land at Patuxent)

Both those flights up shortly after 0900.

There's another Willow Grove A-10 flight up at 0920 on interflight 143.75 and with ZDC-Kenton 354.15. It's a CADE flight and they sign into Patuxent at 0925 on 305.2....and then to BayWatch on 270.8 where they identify as a flight of two A-10s...want 12,000 down to floor of 3,500 feet for their work.

Martin State A-10s should be up soon also...RAVEN Ops talking to aircraft on the ground at MTN at 0923 (see 0937 item below)

0929: CADE flight leader tells BayWatch when they leave they're going to Dover for ILS work and then RTB...270.8

Other stuff...
0923: REACH 1819 (C-17A, 95-0102, 437th AW Charleston) with arrival message to Andrews CP...378.1
0931: REACH 1353 (C-130J, 97-1353, 135th AS MD-ANG Martin State) to Raven Ops wanting a message passed to CRAB Ops that they were off at 0923 and were late due to clearance problems...347.2
0937: RAVEN flight of A-10s from MTN report airborne at 36 past the hour to Raven Ops...347.2 (RAVENs working 142.3 interflight)
0940: TESTER 14 (T-38C, 67-4943, USN Test Pilot School at Pax) with BayWatch saying he's got some avionics problems and is going to land...not declaring an emergency at this time...270.8
0943: RAVEN flight with ZNY-Hyper...check in and are climbing to 17,000 feet...322.5
0945: RAVEN flight gets cleared direct Watertown (so I guess they're going to Ft. Drum NY)...322.5 (assuming it's Watertown NY and not Watertown MA or SD)
0947: RAVEN flight handed off to ZNY-Lancaster...check in passing 12,500 for 17,000...239.05
0949: CADE flight tells BayWatch they're ready to leave...to Dover and then RTB Willow Grove...314.0
0952: CADE flight handed off to Dover Approach...check in and say they're two A-10s that want an ILS to runway 19 and then RTB to Willow Grove...257.875
0955: RAVEN flight handed off to ZNY-Williamsport and check in there...338.3
One of you guys near Willow Grove will need to pick up the RAVEN flight soon...getting weaker here.
0959: FLYER comes off the Bollen Range, switches to ZNY-Williamsport and tells ZNY they're going to be tanking with TEAM 22 (KC-10A, 305th AMW McGuire)...338.3 (I've got a KC-10A from McGuire in the air, tail 87-0121, but I'm not sure yet if he's TEAM 22)

1000: Must end the log here. Gotta run. BULLY, CADE, FLYER, RAVEN flights still going.

1802Z 118.950 TITUS 26 - deps ADW 2000' for 3000' then cleared to 9000'.

Tony, that was the C-130T, 165159 from VR-54 that's normally TITUS 1.
Edit: TITUS 26 left ADW about 0900 this morning and is coming back in around 1130, also as TITUS 26.

Late Add for Unusual Visitor: Shortly before 1000, there was an Antonov 225 Mriya (six jet engine) aircraft from the Ukraine through the area. Tail was UR-82060. Not many of these guys around - especially here. (Mriya translates as "dream" in the Russian language.)

 

[CitationJet]

Re: AN-225

Hi Tin,

Yes, there's only one...)

Currently routing (and on approach) HLLT-KMEM as ADB370F.

Tony

Late Add for Unusual Visitor: Shortly before 1000, there was an Antonov 225 Mriya (six jet engine) aircraft from the Ukraine through the area. Tail was UR-82060. Not many of these guys around - especially here. (Mriya translates as "dream" in the Russian language.)

 

[trainman111]

It looks like he's been a visitor before according to flightaware. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ADB370F

You know...I didn't think they still flew these aircraft, guess I was wrong!

 

[TinEar]

A couple of days ago I mentioned I had an indication that a new C-17A might have been delivered to Dover with tail 06-6166 and asked if anyone had seen a news item about it. Now I've answered my own question. ROYAL 50 (C-17A, 06-6166, 436th AW Dover) with Dover CP at 1315 on 349.4 saying he's about 30 minutes from the pattern and will do an ERO of two vehicles on taxiway Charlie. Chalk up a second C-17A for Dover.
More info from my super secret source deep within the bowels of Google: The second C-17A was delivered to Dover on June 21. They are being assigned to the 3rd Airlift Squadron of the 436th Airlift Wing (Active Air Force) and the 326th Airlift Squadron of the 512th Airllift Wing (AFRC) who share the aircraft.

 

[Mark]

Good catch on that second Dover C-17 Tin! I was scanning airline.net etc as usually somebody gets pictures of the new C-17's coming out of the Barn in California but nothing seen yet.
They practically have parades for first C-17 deliveries but guess the rest hardly get noticed..LOL

Mark

 

[TinEar]

Good catch on that second Dover C-17 Tin! I was scanning airline.net etc as usually somebody gets pictures of the new C-17's coming out of the Barn in California but nothing seen yet.
They practically have parades for first C-17 deliveries but guess the rest hardly get noticed..LOL

Mark

Second place is never remembered. Speaking of C-17s, Royal Air Force ASCOT 6605 (C-17A, ZZ174, 99 Squadron at Brize Norton) zipped through the area heading northeast shortly after 1400.
When I looked up the story on the second C-17 to Dover, I learned that the Brits have ordered another (their fifth) C-17A that's in production now.

 

[CitationJet]

06.26.2007 pm

Just had some excellent comms on the way home, plus a surprising callsign, have never heard them use this one before!

1810Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - ARMY 301 - lands rwy 19L.
1812Z 139.700 ZDC-HUNTRESS - BRAVE 61 - req. TOI altitude.
1822Z 143.600 121st FS DC ANG IF - CHOSEN 1/2 (F-16C/D 121st FS DC ANG) - coordinating inbound flight - 2 will follow 1 in go to ZDC 281.4.
1827Z 281.400 ZDC-Calvert - CHOSEN 1 flight (F-16C/D 121st FS DC ANG) - proceed to tally point for hold EFC 10 mins.
1828Z 139.900 121st FS DC ANG SOF - CHOSEN 1/2/3 (F-16C/D 121st FS DC ANG) - report 20 mins. out 1 has a hung bomb, then all three pass fuel remaining figures.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Hey guys, sorry about the vague post this morning, I was hearing quite a bit of traffic this morning that I'm not used to. I finally got the antenna mast with my repaired discone back up and getting good results. I hope to be able to post quite a bit now that I'm back up and running.

 

[BM82557]

Zdc

I've been adding ZDC freqs and have a question. Anyone know where the ZDC groundsite is located that broadcasts on 379.3?

Thanks

Brian

 

[TinEar]

I've been adding ZDC freqs and have a question. Anyone know where the ZDC groundsite is located that broadcasts on 379.3?

Thanks

Brian

It should be Sector 10, ZDC-Bay, broadcasting from Martinsburg.

Just had some excellent comms on the way home, plus a surprising callsign, have never heard them use this one before!

1810Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - ARMY 301 - lands rwy 19L.
1812Z 139.700 ZDC-HUNTRESS - BRAVE 61 - req. TOI altitude.
1822Z 143.600 121st FS DC ANG IF - CHOSEN 1/2 (F-16C/D 121st FS DC ANG) - coordinating inbound flight - 2 will follow 1 in go to ZDC 281.4.
1827Z 281.400 ZDC-Calvert - CHOSEN 1 flight (F-16C/D 121st FS DC ANG) - proceed to tally point for hold EFC 10 mins.
1828Z 139.900 121st FS DC ANG SOF - CHOSEN 1/2/3 (F-16C/D 121st FS DC ANG) - report 20 mins. out 1 has a hung bomb, then all three pass fuel remaining figures.

I heard that one too Tony. I was wondering if it was a new callsign or visitors operating along with the DC-ANG F-16s. They've had so many visiting F-16s drop by Andrews recently that it's difficult to tell. I guess we'll find out in coming days if it's a new callsign.
***************************************************

We're being invaded....
Canadian Air Force - CANFORCE 2634 (CC-130, tail 130328)
Royal Air Force - ASCOT 5124 (C-130 C3, tail XV924)
German Air Force - GAF 858 (A310-304, tail 10+23)
All in the area in the first half of the 1600 hour.
And at 1635 add...
Belgian Air Force BAF 617 (A310, tail CA-01, 21 Squadron) He's coming into Andrews. He came off the Atlantic, across southern Delaware, the eastern shore of MD, the bay, and is now with TRACON 128.35 approaching ADW from the east - obviously. He made it to the Andrews area and TRACON is swinging him to the north, then west with the intent to bring him in on runway 19L - well, if they turn him south now he'll get to runway 19L. He's handed off directly from TRACON 128.35 to ADW Tower 118.4 at 1654....turning to the south and cleared to land runway 19L. At 1657 there's a little puff of smoke as he touches down.

One more....
Italian Air Force I2174 (A319CJ, tail MM62243) into the area in the last half of the 1900 hour. He was heard about 7 hours earlier in the U.K.

 

[freqhopping]

Have an '806' with ZDC. Was with Brooke, now Potomac 307.025.
1651- It's NASA-806.
1656- NASA-806 climbing above FL600 319.0
So I didn't hear that altitude wrong the first time.
1701- And now I'm receiving ZDC-Hagerstown on 227.125 as if it was transmitting from IAD.

 

[TinEar]

Have an '806' with ZDC. Was with Brooke, now Potomac 307.025.
1651- It's NASA-806.
1656- NASA-806 climbing above FL600 319.0
So I didn't hear that altitude wrong the first time.
1701- And now I'm receiving ZDC-Hagerstown on 227.125 as if it was transmitting from IAD.

Nope, you sure didn't. And at 60K he's still got room to spare. That's an ER-2, NASA's version of the U-2. (N806NA)
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/research/AirSci/ER-2/

And here's something specific to '806'
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/Photo/ER-2/HTML/ED06-0202-62.html

 

[dparana]

Yes, it's a FLYER flight from Willow Grove working interflight 142.25 and also working at Bollen Range with BALKY, the range controller, and with WARCRAFT, a FAC on the ground.
Snip....
0959: FLYER comes off the Bollen Range, switches to ZNY-Williamsport and tells ZNY they're going to be tanking with TEAM 22 (KC-10A, 305th AMW McGuire)...338.3 (I've got a KC-10A from McGuire in the air, tail 87-0121, but I'm not sure yet if he's TEAM 22)
Snip...

Just to add briefly to this
These guys refuelled in the DUKE MOA using 259.40. FLYER switched to 138.30 for A2A while in the DUKE. I was on the road and the comms were not all that good for me.

Dave

 

[CitationJet]

06.27.2007 am

Hi,

From the drive in this morning...

06.27.2007 am

1125Z 119.850 Potomac APP - NAVY JT 821 (C-9B VR-52 NAS JRB Willow Grove) - requesting rwy 19L @ ADW, 8000' to 6000'.
1132Z 238.100 Giant Killer - WILD 42 (F-16C/D 121st FS DC ANG) - checking in for blocks #2703.
1136Z 119.300 Potomac APP - COAST GUARD 102 (C-143A 02) - on app for the ILS rwy 19L. QSY 118.400 on a 7 nm. final.
1150Z 126.400 Potomac APP - PAT 1203 (C-12T Davison am shuttle) - checks in at 5000' then cleared to 7000'.
1153Z 125.650 Potomac DEP - NAVY AX 600 (C-130T VR-53 NAF Washington) - deps ADW to 5000' cleared dir DAILY to 7000'.

1202Z 119.850 Potomac APP - NAVY 7C 118 (UC-12B NAS Oceana NFD) - to 2000' and call the base turn - cleared dir Andrews and the visual to rwy 19L.
1203Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - NAVY 7C 118 (UC-12B NAS Oceana NFD) - 7 nm. final on the left base for rwy 19L.
1204Z 125.650 Potomac DEP - N1 (G4 N1 FAA) - deps DCA to 5000' dir DAILY.

 

[BM82557]

I've been adding ZDC freqs and have a question. Anyone know where the ZDC groundsite is located that broadcasts on 379.3?

Thanks

Brian

All the comms I hear on 379.3 appear to be a rebroadcast of vhf center traffic. I don't hear ac just the center working commercial flights such as Air Wisconsin, Continental, etc. with instructions to cross various intersections (Nottingham, Swann etc) at flight level 240 or 270. Also the center hands them off to 125.45/132.52/134.5. I wasn't expecting to hear commercial traffic on an uhf freq, is this normal?

Thanks

Brian

 

[CitationJet]

Re: UHF 379.3

Hi Brian,

ARTCC UHF/VHF controller transmissions are simulcast, so yes this is the norm.

Speaking of ZDC UHF, the ZDC-Montebello controller side on 284.700 was absolutely booming in this morning in Western Fairfax, also ZDC-Linden 319.100 was much stronger than normal!

Best regards,

Tony

All the comms I hear on 379.3 appear to be a rebroadcast of vhf center traffic. I don't hear ac just the center working commercial flights such as Air Wisconsin, Continental, etc. with instructions to cross various intersections (Nottingham, Swann etc) at flight level 240 or 270. Also the center hands them off to 125.45/132.52/134.5. I wasn't expecting to hear commercial traffic on an uhf freq, is this normal?

Thanks

Brian

 

[TinEar]

Oops...Tony posted a reply while I was typing the message below.

All the comms I hear on 379.3 appear to be a rebroadcast of vhf center traffic. I don't hear ac just the center working commercial flights such as Air Wisconsin, Continental, etc. with instructions to cross various intersections (Nottingham, Swann etc) at flight level 240 or 270. Also the center hands them off to 125.45/132.52/134.5. I wasn't expecting to hear commercial traffic on an uhf freq, is this normal?

Thanks

Brian

Yes, Brian, that's the way they work the system. The controllers simulcast their transmissions on both VHF/UHF. Once upon a time I was told that's so the military guys know when a controller is busy since they aren't listening to the VHF side. Otherwise, they'd just start talking and perhaps be doing so right in the middle of the controller's directions to a commercial aircraft and wouldn't be heard or would interrupt the controller. Those of us living close enough to the transmitting antenna of an ARTCC controller have to put up with this. In fact, I have to lock out the ZDC-Swann controller on 360.7 since his antenna is at BWI about three miles away from me. It's constant chatter on that freq and the scanner won't move past it. The downside is that I'm sure I occasionally miss UHF transmissions by having it locked out.

 

[BM82557]

Activity 06272007

1246 - 1250 -- HOG 01 (that's what it sounded like) calling command, no response - 370.1

Alan, thanks for clearing up his callsign.

1400-ish -- DC-ANG with practice intercepts "BULLY 1 is a bomber, BULLY 2 is a bomber" etc - 139.15