Sticky Thread for MilAir II

[TinEar]

1852: HARASS 42 has been relieved but is still in the area and ready to RTB. HARASS 43 has refueled, not sure where 44 is and TANKER 06 is wondering where TANKER 07 is....260.9
1855: HARASS 41 is going to take another 6K from the tanker....260.9
Understand HARASS 44 had a problem back at Langley...chalk up yet another mechanical problem.

1905: HARASS 42 has gone home to Langley. 41 and 43 have the CAP (remember 41 got here an hour late so he's the one waiting for 44 to show up). Nothing further heard about 44 and his problems. TANKER 07 is somewhere off in the distance approaching the Guard Dog area....260.9
1914: HARASS 44 calls 41 and says he's 35 miles out....260.9
1914: HARASS 44 to 41 on interflight (MAN Prime) and says he's still got a problem...no autopilot...but is going to try to refuel and take it from there...360.15
1915: HARASS 44 checks in with Potomac Approach at FL 210...350.25 (All during this CAP the aircraft have been having a problem hearing Potomac and 44 lets him know about it too)
1916: TANKER 06 to Potomac requesting clearance back to Pittsburgh...135.525
1916: TANKER 07 (KC-135R, 62-3509, 77th ARS Seymour Johnson AFB SC) driving his big old bird into the area at FL 250 squawking 4606...350.25
1919: TANKER 06 to 07 to let him know he's leaving (gives direction and altitude)...260.9
1921: HARASS 44 tells 41 he's going to refuel and make sure he's okay before letting 41 go home....41 tells him he's got about 90 minutes to hang out before he has a duty day problem...260.9
1922: TANKER 07 to Potomac on 350.25 and asks for a VHF freq because 350.25 is terrible...all broken....gets 135.525 and switches over there...told to descend down to normal CAP altitude of 240 from his current 250.
1924: TANKER 06 to STEEL Control...20 minutes out, A-1, will land with "perfect" plus 10...311.0 (that fuel remainder is a new one to me too)
1929: HARASS 41 is told 44 is okay and he can scoot...he's going to Potomac to work his clearance back to Langley...260.9
By the way, 44 came into the area using 43 which is how he was filed...he did refueling as 43 and I believe they said the original 43 is going to change his callsign to 44. Doesn't matter - it's still 43 and 44 that have the duty.

2249: TANKER 07 asks HARASS 43 and 44 if they want more gas since there's only 10 minutes to go....nope, they say they're good...260.9
2254: TANKER 07 tells Potomac it's 6 minutes until they leave and want clearance to Seymour Johnson...uhhh GSB...it's southeast...Goldsboro... (guess Potomac never heard of it)...he tells Potomac it's at 202 degrees from his current postion...135.525

2300: TANKER 07 says goodbye to the HARASS fighters and starts for home,,,260.9
2300: HARASS 43 picking up clearance from Potomac....269.5
2300: HARASS 43/44 chatting on interflight...360.15
And the CAP is done for another night. Back at 0600.

That Belgian Air Force BAF 618 (A-310, CA-01, 21st Squadron) up and leaving the area at 1945. He's the one that came in in the 0900 hour this morning.

 

[DPD1]

I don't think I've seen this civi test-bed before. Apparently he's been working in your hood. Any of you guys hear him?

http://www.irconnect.com/noc/press/pages/news_releases.html?d=121485

Actually, now that I read in closely, it's not really clear if it flew there or back in the west.

Dave
www.DPDProductions.com
Makers of the "MilTenna" Monitoring Antenna

 

[TinEar]

I don't think I've seen this civi test-bed before. Apparently he's been working in your hood. Any of you guys hear him?

http://www.irconnect.com/noc/press/pages/news_releases.html?d=121485

Actually, now that I read in closely, it's not really clear if it flew there or back in the west.

Dave
www.DPDProductions.com
Makers of the "MilTenna" Monitoring Antenna

I haven't heard it here Dave. Like you say, it does appear from the story, it's out on your side of the country based on this line....

"The prototype radar and dual CDL links have performed well in the lab and are being moved to Mojave, California, for installation on the G-II test aircraft."

 

[BM82557]

I've been hearing the groundside of POTOMAC (135.525) during the 0900 changing of the guard between HARASS 45/46 & 51/52 and TANKER 08 & 09. Haven't heard the controller on 135.525 before.

 

[TinEar]

Only thing to add this morning are the IDs on the two tankers...

TANKER 08 (KC-135E, 57-1496, 132nd ARS ME-ANG Bangor)
TANKER 09 (KC-135R, 62-3547, 133rd ARS NH-ANG Pease)

Brian, perhaps the change you're hearing is a result of all the problems everyone had yesterday hearing Potomac on the 350.25 freq and even on 135.525 a time or two. Perhaps they slipped a new transmitter into the mix.

 

[DPD1]

I haven't heard it here Dave. Like you say, it does appear from the story, it's out on your side of the country based on this line....

Yeah, I first saw the mention of the ground station in MD. If they did do something there, it's probably done. For now anyway.

Dave
www.DPDProductions.com
Makers of the "MilTenna" Monitoring Antenna

 

[Mark]

PA ANG A-10's deploy today.. (Those 111 guys are getting to be regulars over there) ..Mark

Willow Grove Air Reserve Station, Pa. --
Approximately 140 members of 111th Fighter Wing, Pennsylvania Air National Guard, were deployed Sunday to an undisclosed location in Iraq to support the continuing war against terrorism.

This is the 111th's third wave of deployers to be sent to Southwest Asia this year. Since 9/11, the Wing has been deployed several times in support of the war on terrorism.

The 111th Fighter Wing is located at the Willow Grove Air Reserve Station. The Wing's mission is to provide day and night air-to-surface attack support to ground units and conduct Combat Search and Rescue. The aircraft assigned to the 111th Fighter Wing is the A-10 Thunderbolt II (attack) fighter.

(update) On Philly TV news showed deployment as soldiers only departing KNXX on Civ transport.Guess A-10 aircraft are already there.
Flightaware shows as NAO983 North American Airlines from JFK to KNXX back to JFK now enroute Shannon Ireland as NAO603.

1810 EVAC 66157 C-17 arriving Andrews 30 min out,ero of some patients to Walter Reed,The rest thruloads,mention notifying AFF.
Not sure if enroute KAFF Colorado or what.Usually thruload patients go to San Antonio aka Kelly AFB.
KAFF shows as small 4500 foot runway at AF Academy so probably not it..

 

[TinEar]

Very busy Monday morning in the MilAir World. There has been a ton of transports, mostly C-17s along with a boatload of KC-135s from the 108th at McGuire and 171st at Pittsburgh. One out of Andrews - DC11 (59-1469.) Add a couple of KC-10As out of McGuire. LBE flights all over the place including a SAM 1605 (C-37A, 99-0404) out of Andrews heading west at 1000 and an ETA at destination of 1500 so you know where he's going. Also had a couple of foreign flights including Royal Air Force ASCOT 6732 (C-17A, ZZ173, 99 Squadron) going into Langley I think. He was heard calling the Norfolk Command Post on 349.5. There was also a German Air Force C-160D, tail 51+06 from LTG 63 in the area. Not much in the way of fighters other than Langley F-22A aircraft working offshore in ACM activity with Giant Killer. Several flights have gone out to W-386. Had a NAS Jacksonville VR-58 C-40A (165832) into Willow Grove as Navy JV 156 on 306.8, a BOXER 38 (94-1569) coming back to Andrews who also worked Squadron Ops freq 314.25. Had PACER 38 (84-0100) working CARIBOU Ops on 283.75 too (He also IDed as PACER 68 a couple of times)

Around 1225, had a Coast Guard 2002 (HC-130J, tail 2002, Elizabeth City NC) off from Andrews on 125.65, then to ZDC-Calvert 133.9 where he was cleared to Hopewell, Harcum, direct Elizabeth City.

Almost forgot to share this one...
Early 1100 hour, had a KC-135E (58-0087) from the 108th ARW at McGuire. He was TOPCAT 2 calling in to Torch Control on 303.0. He said he was trying to make contact with Torch Control on HF freq 6761. They went back and forth to the HF - UHF freq a few times but it appeared they couldn't communicate on the 6761 freq for whatever reason.

1315: An Egyptian Air Force EGY 1114 (C-130H, tail 1203/SU-BKS, unit not known) landed at BWI...119.4 Tower/121.9 Ground Control...sent over to the Cargo ramp.

1300 hour still sees lots of transports, tankers and LBEs moving around the area. The only unusual one was a KC-135R (64-14828) from the 191st ARS of the UT-ANG taking off from Andrews as REACH 4828 at 1731Z

 

[BM82557]

Alan, I heard a JOSA flight the other day calling on 370.1 like I heard HAWK 01 last week when both should have been on 378.1. You're right about them setting the incorrect freq.

 

[TinEar]

Alan, I heard a JOSA flight the other day calling on 370.1 like I heard HAWK 01 last week when both should have been on 378.1. You're right about them about them setting the incorrect freq.

Brian, I wonder if that might have been the same aircraft. Interesting that two of them would do that. Perhaps his number 0 on the dial is worn and looks like an 8. Okay, so I'm reaching. :lol:

1530: There's a DRAGNET E-3 AWACS aircraft working Langley flights out in W-386. He told Giant Killer on 249.8 what he was expecting for squawks from a four-ship YODA and a three-ship FURY flight in the upcoming work.

 

[trainman111]

Well, I just got back from vacation in Northern NY/Niagara Falls last night. MilAir traffic was relatively low, surprisingly. The main thing I heard was the CHECK 65 flight that freqhopping mentioned in message #2641. To continue handoffs.

1612: CHECK 65 checking in level @ 17,000 <306.2>
1613: CHECK 65 acknowledges changing to <279.5>
1613: CHECK 65 checking in @ 17,000. He then switched freqs, and I lost him.
1617: He came back. CHECK 65 checking in with ZNY @ 13,000 <372.0 ZNY Binghamton> I wonder where he ended up going...

Since I was on the final approach path for aircraft landing on Rwy 28R at KIAG I saw a lot of C-130's from the 914th AW. I didn't see or hear any KC-135's though. Along with those comms I heard a lot of refueling ops in AR-206. I also saw 2 F-16's from NY-ANG at KSYR working in the Ft. Drum MOA's as they passed over me while I was traveling on US Rt. 11. Overall it was a great vacation with a good amount of milair traffic.

 

[TinEar]

Welcome back Nick. I was wondering why we weren't hearing from you.

I have some information on new ZDC freqs. These come directly from the FAA:

Delete 120.65
Add 133.55

Delete 319.1
Add 322.55

They were published with today's date. However, I've checked the 120.65 freq and it's still very busy. It's difficult to know the status of the UHF side until/unless we get a military flight using it. Nevertheless, it's an official publication so there's little doubt there will be a change. Thanks to my old buddy BMT down in Florida who tipped me to this change and forced me to download the info to see for myself.

Late in the 1600 hour, the DRAGNET AWACS was heard (weakly) passing flight coordinates on 277.6.
There are also F-22A flights out in W-386. KANG was just heard at 1653 on interflight 233.525.
At 1659 I just heard more F-22A traffic on interflight 228.45.

 

[CitationJet]

Re: 319.100

Hi Tin,

Interesting on the 319.100 freq as that is the current UHF side to Linden Sector 5?

I think you meant to type 319.000 for Yorktown?

120.650/319.100 are both still smoking here, controller sides always very good here in Western Fairfax.

Tony

Welcome back Nick. I was wondering why we weren't hearing from you.

I have some information on new ZDC freqs. These come directly from the FAA:

Delete 120.65 (Linden Sector 5)
Add 133.55

Delete 319.1 (Yorktown Sector 50)
Add 322.55

 

[CitationJet]

Festr 87

1858Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - FESTR 87 (pres. E-4) - deps ADW cleared to 17000' dir LDN QSY 118.675 climbing 12000' to 17000'; QSY ZDC-Linden 120.650 then cleared to FL230-FL250-FL270 and requests FL340 as a final; QSY ZDC-Moorefield 133.275.

 

[TinEar]

Hi Tin,

Interesting on the 319.100 freq as that is the current UHF side to Linden Sector 5?

I think you meant to type 319.000 for Yorktown?

120.650/319.100 are both still smoking here, controller sides always very good here in Western Fairfax.

Tony

Tony, now you've got me confused. Since you're hearing 120.65/319.1 as a pair during the simulcasting, there is little doubt they go together. I do mean 120.65 and 319.1 are the ones being changed per the FAA document.

I put the sector names on them myself using a printed FAA document I've been using for a couple of years that identifies the sectors, numbers, areas, transmitting locations, etc. So, whether that printed document is right or wrong (and I'd say wrong at this point since 120.65/319.1 has simulcast activity), the freqs I printed are what the document shows are changing.
So I won't confuse anyone else - except myself - let me go back and erase those sector names and numbers I applied.

 

[CitationJet]

Re: new ZDC freq per FAA

Hi Tin,

Absolutely no doubt on 120.65/319.1, simulcast control of the Linden sector.

I think you're confused because I incorrectly recalled the Yorktown UHF freq in my post - 319.0 is Marlinton not Yorktown (which is/was/who knows 387.05).

If it makes any difference, RR has Sector 05 down as Linden 120.65/319.1?

In any case, thanks for the heads up on these, I'll plug them in and wait for activity.

Tony

Tony, now you've got me confused. Since you're hearing 120.65/319.1 as a pair during the simulcasting, there is little doubt they go together. I do mean 120.65 and 319.1 are the ones being changed per the FAA document.

I put the sector names on them myself using a printed FAA document I've been using for a couple of years that identifies the sectors, numbers, areas, transmitting locations, etc. So, whether that printed document is right or wrong (and I'd say wrong at this point since 120.65/319.1 has simulcast activity), the freqs I printed are what the document shows are changing.
So I won't confuse anyone else - except myself - let me go back and erase those sector names and numbers I applied.

 

[BMT]

Guys, We had the same thing happen awhile back with ZJX Daytona. We found a new freq for ZJX Daytona and eveything still listed the old freq.
One day the ole freq went dead.

BMT

 

[TinEar]

Hi Tin,

Absolutely no doubt on 120.65/319.1, simulcast control of the Linden sector.

I think you're confused because I incorrectly recalled the Yorktown UHF freq in my post - 319.0 is Marlinton not Yorktown (which is/was/who knows 387.05).

If it makes any difference, RR has Sector 05 down as Linden 120.65/319.1?

In any case, thanks for the heads up on these, I'll plug them in and wait for activity.

Tony

Okay...I think we're beating this damn horse to death but I'm going to take one more whack at the beast. Yes, I recognized the Yorktown/Marlinton error you made in response to my error but didn't want to introduce yet still one more wrinkle into a thoroughly screwed up original post so didn't mention it. My intent was to try to clarify what was changing by using an FAA document to identify the freqs. That document I used was wrong - either originally or has been superseded by updated usage. The absolute bottom line is that the FAA published a document today in the National Flight Data Center register that shows the following:

Delete 120.65
Add 133.55

Delete 319.1
Add 322.55

As you said, plug the freqs into the scanner and wait for something to show up. Or not. That's all we can do with them for now.

 

[JackTV]

335.5 coming in loud

Hey All,
I am picking up 335.5 controller LOUD & CLEAR up here in Baltimore. Is this still
Andrews App.? Wish it was like this all the time.
20:51- 257.2 now starting to come in
21:06- Just heard Jedi 20 on 335.5 for runway 19 left

Ref. Below- Tin, I am not sure who the controller was but he was giving out Baltimore & Wash. alti. #'s. Something about going direct to Raven.
UHF is coming in real good tonight.

Jack

 

[TinEar]

Hey All,
I am picking up 335.5 controller LOUD & CLEAR up here in Baltimore. Is this still
Andrews App.? Wish it was like this all the time.
20:51- 257.2 now starting to come in

Jack

Jack, I was scanning the Andrews freqs at the time you posted but heard nothing on 335.5. Who was the aircraft or ground station you heard? I usually get the 257.2 simulcast of the ground controller's VHF freq transmissions at night.

Edit: Wow! I think you caught something good Jack. I'm hearing the Andrews Command Post ground controller on 378.1 for the first time ever and he's louder than the aircraft.
And now I'm hearing the 257.2 controller again but it's just the simulcast of what he's saying to aircraft on VHF...still he's loud and clear.
And at 2112 I'm also hearing 335.5...JEDI 20 but I'm not sure yet if it's the aircraft or the ground controller talking to him.

2108: REACH 3116 (C-17A, 03-3116, 183rd AS MS-ANG Jackson) reports airborne from Andrews at 5 past the hour...378.1
2134: "Initiate ramp freeze at this time. I say again, initiate ramp freeze at this time."...that was the Andrews CP ground controller booming in...378.1
There are a couple of ramp freezes at Andrews for tomorrow posted as NOTAMs as follows:
AIR TERMINAL RAMP FREEZE 10 JUL 20:15 2007 UNTIL 10 JUL 20:45 2007
AIR TERMINAL RAMP FREEZE 10 JUL 13:05 2007 UNTIL 10 JUL 13:35 2007
2312: SAM 1605 making it home to Andrews after a very long day. We logged him taking off for a five hour flight to his destination at 1000 this morning. Ground controller Griffin Command is still very loud and clear...378.1