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[bigred10]

About a half hour ago (around 1300) I heard a LOBO 71 flight with Giant Killer on 255.0 going into W-107 for work. Said they'd be working the surface up to 25,000 feet and would have another player with them. I can't place that callsign for any local unit. Said they'd be in from 1700-2000Z.

I was briefly home from work around lunchtime and heard part of the transmission above. I never did catch the callsign but I heard him communicating on UHF with ZDC-Coyle & Sea Isle on the way into W-107. I have heard the LOBO callsign before but with USMC C-9's so that doesn't quite matchup with using UHF frequencies and also working GiantKiller.

 

[Gemini]

About a half hour ago (around 1300) I heard a LOBO 71 flight with Giant Killer on 255.0 going into W-107 for work. Said they'd be working the surface up to 25,000 feet and would have another player with them. I can't place that callsign for any local unit. Said they'd be in from 1700-2000Z.
[Jeff, do you have anything there at Pax for LOBO? See next item.]

And while I was typing the above, I just heard (at 1326) a BAC161NG (A Northrup Grumman aircraft) calling Giant Killer on 255.0 to enter W-107 and saying he'd be working with a LOBO flight. So, that ties the two together. That probably makes the LOBO flight someone/something from Patuxent NAS since that's who they've been working with recently. Registration info as follows:
N-number : N161NG
Aircraft Serial Number : BAC 067
Aircraft Manufacturer : BRITISH AIRCRAFT CORP.
Model : BAC 1-11 401/AK
Engine Manufacturer : ROLLS-ROYCE
Model : SPEY 511-14
Aircraft Year : 1966
Owner Name : NORTHROP GRUMMAN CORP
Owner Address : 7323 AVIATION BLVD MS 520
BALTIMORE, MD, 21240
Type of Owner : Corporation
Registration Date : 06-Jul-2001
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Experimental
Approved Operations : Research and Development

At 1330, BAC161NG tells GK he's now in W-107 and would like to work 337.225 (A couple of minutes later he's heard on 337.225)
[He's pronouncing the BAC in his callsign as in the composer's name -- Johann Sebastian Bach -- yeah, that Bach.]
1337: 161NG reports he's ready to start his run...he's level at 17,500 feet...337.225

1424: BAC161NG and LOBO 71 are still working out in W-107...they have made 1536: Just to update -- LOBO 71 and BAC161NG are still doing their work in W-107 and still on 337.225.
1555: LOBO 71 sounds like he's finishing up...with Giant Killer...255.0
1557: And BAC161NG finishes up, thanks GK for all the work today...255.0 (Asks for a Victor freq and believe he was given 127.7)
1627: LOBO 71 calling Langley Metro...no joy...239.8
So where are the fighters today? Had those Langley Raptors out in W-386 this morning and that was it. None of the ANG units have been heard today.

Ref below: Thanks Jeff. I missed them - was away from the radios right after I heard them go into W386.
Now, tell me something good about LOBO 71.

LOBO is familiar, and so is BAC161NG unfortunatley I was out in the yard and did not catch them. I am sure the recorded audio will have somethng on them. I'll be reviewing that later. I don't associate LOBO as a PAX asset. Possibly temporarily at PAX for something. Isn't BAC161NG one of the Northrup Grumman birds out of B-More??

Adding some additional comments here from recorded audio:
1229: 235.625 "LOBO 71 flight Level 270." "LOBO 71 we will keep it tight, If you want we can turn a little bit early if that will help you." "LOBO 71 starting our turn tight now. Do you want to intercept with DRAGO now?"
1231: 235.625 "LOBO 71 proceeding direct PAPA X-RAY TANGO 240 @ 27
1237: 235.625 CENTER, LOBO 71 back on your freq no luck on that freq 379.3. Reattempting on 379.3 no luck. Trying 379.4
1557: 285.4 WASHINGTON CTR, LOBO 71 heavy with at 17,500 looking for higher direct to WATERLOO. Looking for 240
1616: 257.7 LOBO 71 Checking in flight level 260 on a vector. LOBO 71 back on course thanks, Switching
1623: 327.8 LOBO 71 Heavy checking in 260. Switch 225.62

I have not checked any of my PAX related audio yet. Will be doing that tonight while at work

 

[TinEar]

LOBO is familiar, and so is BAC161NG unfortunatley I was out in the yard and did not catch them. I am sure the recorded audio will have somethng on them. I'll be reviewing that later. I don't associate LOBO as a PAX asset. Possibly temporarily at PAX for something. Isn't BAC161NG one of the Northrup Grumman birds out of B-More??

Adding some additional comments here from recorded audio:
1229: 235.625 "LOBO 71 flight Level 270." "LOBO 71 we will keep it tight, If you want we can turn a little bit early if that will help you." "LOBO 71 starting our turn tight now. Do you want to intercept with DRAGO now?"
1231: 235.625 "LOBO 71 proceeding direct PAPA X-RAY TANGO 240 @ 27
1237: 235.625 CENTER, LOBO 71 back on your freq no luck on that freq 379.3. Reattempting on 379.3 no luck. Trying 379.4
1557: 285.4 WASHINGTON CTR, LOBO 71 heavy with at 17,500 looking for higher direct to WATERLOO. Looking for 240
1616: 257.7 LOBO 71 Checking in flight level 260 on a vector. LOBO 71 back on course thanks, Switching
1623: 327.8 LOBO 71 Heavy checking in 260. Switch 225.62

I have not checked any of my PAX related audio yet. Will be doing that tonight while at work

The Northrup Grumman aircraft N161NG is stationed at BWI along with the bunch that fly so often in the Pax area. He's up very often, however, this was the first time I've heard him head up to the W-107 area. All their activities were pre-programmed and listed on their flight card so they never really explained what they were doing. They just read off an item number and did it. LOBO 71, considering the traffic you copied, went at least as far as Norfolk (ZDC 327.8) so no telling where he's from. That certainly explodes my thought that he was a Pax bird. Nothing on my callsign list for LOBO goes with the "Heavy" designator he used today.

 

[CitationJet]

03.13.2007

03.13.2007

1515Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - PAT 657 - down to 2000' dir Davison QSY 126.300 for landing rwy 32.
1518Z 126.300 Davison AAF TWR - PAT 4377 (C-12 84-24377) - conducting mult. practice apps.
1519Z 139.700 ZDC-HUNTRESS - BLACKJACK 1 - airborne and will be conducting 1.5 hours of training.
1524Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - ARMY 23128 (C-12 78-23128) - deps DAA 1000' for 2000' to 12000'.
1531Z 125.650 Potomac DEP - DC 22 (KC-135R 57-1487 459th ARW AFRC Andrews) - deps ADW to 11000' dir POLLA QSY 124.550.

1600Z 125.650 Potomac DEP - PAT 58 (UH-60) - join V265 then cleared GPS dir EMI QSY 128.700.
1620Z 118.950 Pootmac DEP - PAT 269 - to 4000' QSY 125.650 then cleared to 6000' then cleared to 12000'.
1600Z 125.650 Potomac DEP - PAT 58 (UH-60) - join V265 then cleared GPS dir EMI QSY 128.700.
1620Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - PAT 269 - to 4000' QSY 125.650 then cleared to 6000'.
1632Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - SAM 1219 - deps ADW dir GINYA to 17000' QSY ZDC-Linden 120.650.
1644Z 119.300 Potomac APP - VENUS 32 - 4500-4000' then cleared to 2000' intercept loc. inbound.
1646Z 126.300 Davison AAF TWR - PAT 0089 (UC-35A 98-0009) - vis. app rwy 14.
1654Z 119.300 Potomac APP - PAT 661 - 5300' for 3000'.

1905Z 126.300 Davison AAF TWR - PAT 1267 (C-12T 85-1267) - lands rwy 14 full stop.

 

[Waltz41]

Warren Grove Range Pictures - 2.27.07

Hey guys,
thought you might like to see some pics of the A-10s working the Warren Grove Range. I was able to go there on 2.27.07, all four ANG units were there, from about 1:30-4:00..with PA sending a 3 ship group, then MD with 2, MA with 2 and CT with 4. Also, while I was in the tower, I was listening to some interflight (i didn't have my scanner with me, wasn't sure if i could use it or not so i just left it) but one of the PA A-10s used the call sign GECKO (or GEKO not sure of spelling). He was the O/A-10 and was doing the directing for the other two planes. I remember it well because the range asked him twice to repeat and so did one of his wingmen. Might be something to listen for in the future. Anyways, here are some pictures...it was a pretty bad day in terms of photos are concerned, overcast, cloudy skies....and I'm just a novice when it comes to photography. Here they are:

PA A-10s were up first, 3 ships, one as the O/A-10

 

[Waltz41]

Maryland's A-10s were next, 2 ship doing some dry runs and dropping some bombs.

 

[Waltz41]

MA was next, 2 ship, guns and bombs.

 

[Waltz41]

And last but not least, a 4 ship group from CT. Guns, bombs, and rockets.

 

[TinEar]

Hey guys,
thought you might like to see some pics of the A-10s working the Warren Grove Range. I was able to go there on 2.27.07, all four ANG units were there, from about 1:30-4:00..with PA sending a 3 ship group, then MD with 2, MA with 2 and CT with 4. Also, while I was in the tower, I was listening to some interflight (i didn't have my scanner with me, wasn't sure if i could use it or not so i just left it) but one of the PA A-10s used the call sign GECKO (or GEKO not sure of spelling). He was the O/A-10 and was doing the directing for the other two planes. I remember it well because the range asked him twice to repeat and so did one of his wingmen. Might be something to listen for in the future. Anyways, here are some pictures...it was a pretty bad day in terms of photos are concerned, overcast, cloudy skies....and I'm just a novice when it comes to photography. Here they are:

PA A-10s were up first, 3 ships, one acting as the Observation aircraft

Beautiful pictures Brian. I'm envious of the experience you had to be in the tower and get to experience the close up, first hand sounds and sights. Ref GECKO: Since he was acting as an airborne FAC, that was no doubt just an exercise call that was made up on the spot which they are fond of doing. Thanks for sharing those with us.

Speaking of A-10s...MD-ANG up in the 1100 hour and used a new interflight freq of 140.025. It was an AXEMAN flight. At the same time, a RAVEN flight was up on 142.3. Both flights landed at Martin State about 1150.

Also in the 1100 hour, a BATON 20 (EC-130J 193rd SOW Harrisburg) met up with an OPEC (KC-10A McGuire) tanker in W-107 to refuel. They used 295.8 for their refueling freq. The OPEC never did use a suffix that I heard

DC22 [DEECEE for the purists] (KC-135R, 57-1487, 756th ARS Andrews) took off from ADW at 1130 and headed north. That tanker seems to fly every day.
And DC 21 (KC-135R, 59-1469, 756th ARS) up early in the 1200 hour also heading north....but quickly turned back toward Andrews and is doing pattern work. Lucky him.

1215: OPEC 23 calling McGuire Command Post. This might be the OPEC that worked with BATON 20 out in W-107...319.4
1220: BATON 20 calling Baton Ops...395.1
1224: BATON 20 makes contact with Baton Ops...says he's RTB...A-3 in the back end with smoke and fumes so he's coming home...he also asks Ops to contact Giant Killer and let them know they won't be going into the Whiskey area...395.1
1226: BATON 20 tells Ops they are not declaring an emergency...they have 19,000 pounds of fuel remaining and are 20 minutes out...395.1
1228: Another speaker aboard BATON 20 says they isolated the problem...turned off power in the back end and the smoke has dissipated...395.1
1233: BATON 20 says he's A-2 in the front end for Mode 4...395.1
1251: LOBO 805 (C-9B VMR-1, MCAS Cherry Point NC) calling "Dispatch"...372.2

 

[Mark]

Great pics! Those A-10's may be working but they sure like to rock and roll,Work or fun? I think both sometimes.
Seen the PA ANG guys do the same at Willow Grove.

1225 BATON 20 rtb Harrisburg for smoke in the back on Ops 395.100,won't make GK warning area.
Will not declare an IFE.

Mark

 

[trainman111]

RE: LOBO c/s

I'm almost 100% sure that the callsign LOBO is for a/c from VMR-1 at Cherry Point MCAS. I know one of the a/c from that squadron is a C-9, so that might have been who was working in W-107.

Edit: Darn. I just saw that you beat me to the explanation in your last log Alan...

 

[CitationJet]

Re: LOBO 71

Hi Trainman,

C-9s are not considered "heavy" so that would not fit in here.

Best regards,

Tony

RE: LOBO c/s

I'm almost 100% sure that the callsign LOBO is for a/c from VMR-1 at Cherry Point MCAS. I know one of the a/c from that squadron is a C-9, so that might have been who was working in W-107.

 

[Gemini]

1541: 143.6 WILDS, Flight of 2, up in PAX areas
1546: 296.9 UNID fighters up in ACM. Likely in GK areas

Ref LOBO. I did not hear anything specific on my recorded audio associating LOBO with any particular aircraft . But something I did catch was that I heard several aircraft in GK make reference that there was a B-2 up in the areas. Can't say it's one and the same but figured it worth mentioning as we have an odd callsign being used at the same time an odd aircraft is up and about.

 

[TinEar]

RE: LOBO c/s

I'm almost 100% sure that the callsign LOBO is for a/c from VMR-1 at Cherry Point MCAS. I know one of the a/c from that squadron is a C-9, so that might have been who was working in W-107.

Edit: Darn. I just saw that you beat me to the explanation in your last log Alan...

I just noticed that Tony explained about the "heavy" designator not fitting for The Point's C9s. Additionally, the Marines generally use a three-digit suffix when they use the LOBO callsign (which might be the last three numbers from the BuNo...or not.) I haven't pinned that part down for sure.

Ref LOBO. I did not hear anything specific on my recorded audio associating LOBO with any particular aircraft . But something I did catch was that I heard several aircraft in GK make reference that there was a B-2 up in the areas. Can't say it's one and the same but figured it worth mentioning as we have an odd callsign being used at the same time an odd aircraft is up and about.

That would certainly be a coup for the Northrup Grumman guys to get a B-2 into the area for their testing. I'm hoping that's who it was and that he becomes a frequent visitor.
************************************************************
Around 1900 (back in from outside - a fantastic day like this couldn't be wasted spending it indoors), there seems to be a bunch of tankers around the area. PACK 11 (KC135, 133rd ARS, Pease ANGB NH) was calling McGuire CP on 319.4 and OPEC 29 (KC10A McGuire) answered him to say he wasn't his tanker but thought OPEC 28 was. PACK 11 said nope, he thought OPEC 28 was refueling PACK 22. Then there was mention of an OPEC doing an AR with a PISTON (KC-135 63rd ARS AFRC Selfridge MI). PACK 11 then went to 349.4 with Dover CP and passed authentications back and forth. No sooner had those transmissions gone by when I heard DC 02 (KC-135R 57-1487, 756th ARS Andrews) reported airborne at 2300Z. And there's also a DC 24 (possibly 59-1469) in the pattern around Andrews.
There's also CODY 01 (probably a C-17A from Wright Patterson) bringing 13 members of the Air Force Band into Andrews.
PAT 1259 went into Davison AAF (TRACON freqs & 139.4)
PAT 914 on the way to Andrews (372.2 & 139.3)
1929: WILD flight of F-16s off the deck at Andrews with TRACON...348.725
1931: And a SCARY flight follows WILD into the wild blue yonder...348.725
Interflight freqs are 139.15 for SCARY and 143.6 for WILD.
1934: WILD and SCARY to ZDC-Swann 360.7 as they continue their climb.
1936: Next handoff is to ZDC-Coyle 254.3...no joy so back to 360.7
1938: WILD and SCARY handed to ZDC-Salisbury 257.7
1939: WILD handed off to Giant Killer...255.0...where they say they're going to W-386 on mission 1305 with SCARY and the PACK 11 tanker. They're on the wrong freq (255.0 is for W-107) so are handed off to 249.8 but they think they heard 349.0 and try to call GK there...oops, that's their ADW Tower freq...finally wind up on 249.8 where they repeat their entry message.
1945: WILD/SCARY handed off to meet up with the tanker on 235.1 and check in there to make radio contact with PACK 11.
1948: WILD flight will tank first, SCARY will stay a mile in trail and 1000 feet lower per directions of the tanker while WILD does the AR...235.1 (This is a new freq for me.)
1954: PACK 11 tells the WILD flight they have an unqualified boom operator on board tonight and would like WILD to make about three connects each to help the boom op get night qualified....PACK 11 then asks for WILD's tail numbers and I heard WILD 2 give his as 86-00450 but hear nothing from WILD 1 - who might already be on the boom and talking on the intercom....235.1
1956: REACH 369 (C17A, 03-3127, 6th Airlift Squadron, McGuire AFB NJ) to Griffin Command at Andrews with arrival msg...15 after the hour in the blocks, have 7 pallets, 1 rolling stock and 29 pax to offload...also need Customs and Ag and a parking spot...378.1
1959: WILD 1 tells 2 he'll do his three (boom contacts) and then 2 can do his...143.6
1959: WILD 1 at pre-contact point with the tanker...this unqualified boom operator is a young sounding female...235.1
There was mention of them only taking 1000 pounds each so the AR is obviously for training purposes.

2901: WILD 1 finishes taking his first load and moves off to the wing so WILD 2 can move onto the boom...235.1
2007: WILD flight taking a total of 3000 pounds each (1000 X 3 turns)...and finish...235.1
Well, our unqualified boom operator didn't guide the boom through the canopy of either fighter so she's now qualified. Actually, she sounds like an old pro...definitely in command of the AR and barking out orders to the fighters.
2008: SCARY pair now going toward the boom...SCARY 1 is tail 86-00426 and 2 is 86-00438...235.1
2018: Boom op asks SCARY to do one more contact after they finish the three planned connects...she wants to practice an emergency disconnect......and does...235.1
2020: PACK 11 is done with the WILD and SCARY flights...turns out they're acquaintances form the "desert."...235.1
2022: WILD/SCARY with Giant Killer again on 249.8 to say they are supposed to meet up with an AWACS using callsign BANDSAW...they say he hasn't showed up and if he does they want GK to contact them on 312.3.
2023: WILD/SCARY mention their common freq will be 312.3 and switch over to it at this time.
2026: WILD/SCARy begin ACM activity out in W-386...red/blue air activity...they're simulating the BANDSAW activity...312.3
2028: PAT 965 heading for Andrews runway 19R...TRACON/ADW Approach...118.85/119.3

Done.

 

[JackTV]

125.35 Andrews Tower?

I just heard one of the F-16 flights come home ( not sure what c/s) and they said
125.35 was Andrews tower on Victor. Is this a back-up freq or is this new.

Jack

 

[TinEar]

Not sure Jack but I heard someone mention 125.35 a couple of hours ago while on one of the TRACON freqs. He asked if he was supposed to go to 125.35 now. I'm currently monitoring 125.35 and 118.4 to see what's going on. It seems unusual that one of the F-16s would use that freq in any case since they always use the UHF 349.0 for ADW Tower. I guess we'll find out.

You caught it Jack! No doubt about it.
I don't know if this is new or if it's simply a temporary replacement. There have been several reports the past few days of terrible communications on the 118.4 freq. That might indicate it's temporary but time will tell.

2219: REACH 478 Heavy (C17A, 04-4137, 6th Airlift Squadron Mcguire) to ADW Tower preparing to land...125.35
2221: DC 23 (KC-135R, 57-1487, 756th ARS Andrews) landing with tower...125.35
2223: DC 23 on a 10.5 miles final for runway 19L...125.35
2226: PAT 43 (helo) to ADW Approach..says he's 5 miles west of Annapolis on his way to Ft. McNair...119.3
2227: PAT 43 to DCA Helo Control...reports 7 miles west of Greenbelt, requests Route 1 to Ft. McNair...120.75
2228: DC 24 (KC-135R, 59-1469, 756th ARS Andrews) ready for landing at ADW...with Tower...but instead is doing an approach or three before full stop...125.35
2237: REACH 369 (C17A, 03-3127, 6th Airlift Squadron McGuire) reports airborne at this time...378.1
2238: DC 24 reports to TRACON he's going to go around one more time...119.85
2247: DC 24 reports 15 minutes out, A-1, 45,000 pounds of fuel remaining...378.1
2252: REACH 369 (used 368 first call) to McGuire CP with arrival message...30 minutes out, no pax or cargo, just wants parking space...319.4

Couple of ramp freezes scheduled for Andrews tomorrow....
AIR TERMINAL RAMP FREEZE 14 MAR 19:50 UNTIL 14 MAR 20:20 (1550-1620 local)
AIR TERMINAL RAMP FREEZE 14 MAR 20:05 UNTIL 14 MAR 20:20 (this one will get pulled - it's wrong)

Ref below: I checked the Airport/Facility Directory that goes into effect 15 March and there's nothing in there about a Tower freq change. In fact, they still haven't updated the UHF departure freq from 391.1 to 348.725 that's now a couple of years old. They also still have a mistake for Command Post...they show 349.4 instead of 378.1. It seems all FAA records for freqs remain out of date for years before being updated. They need a much better system.

They apparently didn't publish a NOTAM about the change either...unless it was there and is now pulled since it has gone into effect. This was the first day in a very long time I haven't checked NOTAMs just because it was an "outdoors" day and I didn't have the time.

 

[freqhopping]

I have 125.35 in my records as GCA.

I too have noticed a lot of noise on 118.4. Someone would talk and stop, but my scanner would still be locked on it because of all the noise. The same sort of thing often happens with BLACKJACK on 139.7. However, it never acts up after HUNTRESS has spoken.

 

[Mateo]

125.35 was in use this afternoon (1700-1900) as the ADW Tower, but I don't think it was communicated well, since a bunch of helos (like Sky 9) were calling 118.4 over and over with no response.

 

[TinEar]

Confirming that 125.35 is still in use this morning for Victor tower freq at Andrews. Army 01052 (UC35A, 00-1052) just lifted off at 0841 and used it to confirm his handoff to departure (TRACON.)

0851: BOXER 77 (C40C, 02-0202, 201st AS Andrews) up with Boxer Ops...314.25

0903: Langley interflight active with F-22A activity...315.85
0904: And those Langley fighters from 315.85 went out to W-386 with Giant Killer but I didn't catch the
callsign - just suffix 51...249.8 (Turned out to be HOVER 51)
0912: SAM 1263 (C32A, 98-0002, 1st AS Andrews up with TRACON (missed freq)
0917: SLAM 1 (F-16 VA-ANG) with Giant Killer into W-386 from 9:30-10:15...working with a BASH flight of F-16s...249.8
0923: VA-ANG F-16s working interflight...not sure if this is BASH or SLAM...141.875
0923: Langley interflight active...252.775 (Raptors)
0931: HOVER 51 requesting return to Langley through Snow Hill...amends that to Snow Hill, Cape Charles, TURET, direct (Langley)...249.8
The VA-ANG ACM activity has one pair on 292.3 (per Mark's message below) and the other on 141.875...still not sure which is SLAM and which is BASH.
0937: VA-ANG callsign FURY is in the mix somewhere also...249.8 (Wrong...see 1001 log item)
0937: Raven Ops having a discussion with someone on the ground so we might see some A-10s up shortly...347.2
0942: REACH 372 (C5A, 70-0447, 337th AS Westover MA) reports airborne at 40...378.1...then with TRACON 118.95
0945: BLACKJACK 1 (USCG HH-65) up with ADW Tower 118..4 (he didn't get the word obviously) and on Marine channel 157.075. (Couple of minutes later he shows up on 125.35...reports on his way to Wood's Creek.)
0948: Raven Ops asking AXEMAN 1 for his status (still on the ground)...asking him about his HUD...347.2 (I can hear the ground controller but not the aircraft)
0951: RAVEN flight airborne on interflight freq...mentions something on his HUD doesn't work...142.3
0953: DC 31 (KC135R, 62-3556, 756th ARS Andrews) reports airborne at 1350Z...378.1 (Haven't seen this particular bird fly in awhile)

1001: FURY 51 (F-22A Langley) reports as a flight of three, 30 miles east of HEELS, RTB...249.8
Earlier reported the FURY callsign as Va-ANG F-16 but it's clearly an F-22A in the above report.
1003: AXEMAN reports airborne...347.2....they use 140.025 for interflight.
1006: JAKE 42 (F-22A Langley) with Giant Killer...249.8
1010: AR freq 238.9 active. One of them is MOVER 30 (KC-10A McGuire)...the other is DC 31 (KC-135R Andrews)
1012: NJ-ANG F-16s active on inteflight freq...138.875...also active is interflight 138.425
1033: TACO 81 leaving Andrews...with TRACON 257.2
1034: BOXER 77 with ADW Tower...125.35

And I'm out of time...end of log for now.

 

[Mark]

Odd catch today about 0910 local had AERO-1 with Philips 126.150 self id as 2 OH-58's
from Baltimore county enroute Philadelphia A/A 123.025.

TESTER 03 self id as F-18 with ZDC Kenton mentions staying west of the warning areas.
SLAM up on 292.300 for their A/A.

Mark