Sumner County Public Safety (TN) - UHF P25 Phase II Trunking System

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OK I was curious since it is a P25 it should get its channels from the data stream, but not ever having done a P25 UHF from Harris I was not sure if you needed some type of base and offset info to make it track properly, but if it is a straightforward programming that is good.
 

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Hendersonville FD live as of this morning. Their dispatch talk group is 2005. Radio IDs in 55xxxxx range. Their former 800mhz conventional analog repeaters are not linked or active.
 

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ok got a sds100 . S0 I have program Sumner its working..would like to ask for some help on putting a favorite together . iam not pc smart but would like build favorite's lists.
could someone local help?
 

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The other day, Hendersonville FD was operating on a command TG. I had to run so I didn't get a chance to jot it down, but it *looked* like 1008. Did anyone else have a chance to grab anything in that range?
 

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TG 2020 is now active with IDs in the 5xxxxxx and 502xxxx range. My guess is HPD Dispatch.
 
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Correct, still patched to their DMR as well.
I had hendersonville fire using 1001 for a fire the other day, did not hear how they had refered to that channel.
Awesome! 1001 sounds right. When I was listening, it was referred to as "command", but I'm not entirely clear if it was for a remote command point or used in an admin status update sense. The net controller was referred to as command by the mobile units.

Note: Also seeing 501xxxx UIDs for HPD.
 

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Gallatin PD 1 TG 2001 mode T
Gallatin PD 2 TG 2002 mode TE algo DES-OFB
They switched over about 5 minutes ago.
 

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Do the other TE talkgroups also use DES-OFB?
Yes. Most everything I’ve seen so far is DES-OFB which is built into the kenwood 5000 series radios for software entry. All the Harris and Johnsons and Taits I think have to be loaded with a KVL. It’s also compatible with motorola radios but you’ll never see motorola radios on this system as this county is very anti motorola for some reason.
 

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Gallatin PD 1 TG 2001 mode T
Gallatin PD 2 TG 2002 mode TE algo DES-OFB
They switched over about 5 minutes ago.
The UIDs seem to be 4xxxxxx and 402xxxx. I wonder if we should/could add a UID range column in the RR database? Would be helpful for tracking who owns the encrypted channels. Also, have you seen 4077 and 4065? They are full time E, and it looks like the SO uses them. I know 4065 is a tactical as it was called out (submitted), but not sure about 4077. 4074 is partial E as dispatch comes back clear.
 

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I wonder if we should/could add a UID range column in the RR database?
I would be for that and I don't even monitor the system. RID logging has helped up here with our system and identifying who uses/operates on what channel. I would create one in the wiki just don't disclose any names of personal (if you know them) obviously.
 

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I would be for that I don't even monitor the system. RID logging has helped up here with our system and identifying who uses/operates on what channel. I would create one in the wiki just don't disclose any names of personal (if you know them) obviously.
Yeah, it might be a fine line to walk for OPSEC purposes. Definitely don't wanna give them a reason to encrypt EVERYTHING, but at that point, burglars and bad guys will just use lookouts the old fashioned way rather than wondering if an alarm call was put out over the tactical/encrypted channel when they can hear dispatch. Keeps them guessing :D I'm also kind of skittish of online audio feeds. When emailing the Metro PD captain to ask about reversing their encryption decision, they said that was their primary reason for going full E. Anyone with a $30 smartphone had access to their comms. In essence, those streaming audio will put themselves out of business :( I think most departments would even be good with a compromise of a 2-4 minute delay or a bit longer to appease the criminal listening concerns.
 

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Sumner is anti M due to the guys that sold them on the MotoTRBO systems for GPD, and HPD, did great on sales,.. But the system was not set up correctly for HPD anyway at first and they had Helluva bad issues for a LONG time. As far as I know, GPD didn't have too much trouble on their system. Instead of blaming themselves for poor oversight or the actual guys that did the build... They just went on a anti M rip.... Thats what happens when you fail to use oversight, and do not get deeply involved in the set up process. You just went with the butterup from the salesmen! So of course the slick af Harris guys had a in to cut M out of the picture here.
 

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Oh and yes, ALL LE Tacs, Invests, Car to Car, SOPS, SWAT/ERT are E/e. All dispatches should be clear. Unsure on if they will go E on the EMS to ED/ER encodes or not. Most FG should be clear, but I think the Arson guys and admin will be E/e. Unsure if they are going to bring the schools on or not yet, though the SRO's will be on. Also have not heard if DPW/Roads etc will be on.
 

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I added the General Radio Identifier Template to the wiki:

XYZ0000

X Agency
1 Sumner County EMA, EMS
2 Sumner County Sheriff
3 (?)
4 Gallatin
5 Hendersonville
6 Millersburg
7 Portland
8 Westmoreland
9 Radio Service

Y Department
0 Law Enforcement
5 Fire/EMS
8 (?)

Z Radio Type
0 Console
1 Mobile
2 Portable

The only major agency range not identified is 3, I was thinking maybe for County Fire, but not sure since seeing Law Enf IDs in that range.

Hendersonville FD looks like could also be using the fourth digit as a Station ID, definitely more structure there with those radios. And some other possible sub groupings in other agency and departments.

The other radio IDs often look to align with the unit ID or vehicle ID. The dispatch consoles are typically ending XY00001 for Agency and Dept, and some XY00002+ seen.

The Radio ID structure here for this system is very nice, the Talk Group ID structure not as much.
 
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