Two AF1 Planes in the air

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I did mean 92-9000 above. They don't need to "keep people guessing," especially when it's a big ol' 747. The back-up plane usually lands at a diffetent airfield than the primary AF1 plane, and being on the ground plus take-offs & landings are when it's the most vulnerable, so fiddling with ADS-B settings (other than turning it off) would be kinda silly especially in CONUS.
 

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I call *BS* on your statement. And for the rest of you, the C-25As are 82-8000 & 82-9000.
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You’re the king of the BS, not monitoring! The second one IS 92-9000!! Look it up!
SerialCodeTypeCNUnitStatusFirstLastCommentPreviousID92-9000VC-25A23825/685PASActive01apr01dec19N60659
 

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There can be one and only one aircraft using the callsign AF1. That is simply because AF1 means the President is on board. Obviously the President cannot be on two separate aircraft at the same time. :ROFLMAO:

For that matter, regardless of the actual aircraft being used, it is always designated AF1. It doesn't even have to be an Air Force plane. Were the President to whimsically decide to use his "Trump 1" aircraft, it would become AF1, but of course the crew would still be from his assigned Air Force pilots and stewards. He would be strongly discouraged from doing so because his aircraft has never been updated with the specialized communications equipment, as well as other counter air strike defenses!

All aircraft, including the two that serve as Air Force One, are housed and maintained at Andrews, just 10 miles southeast of the White House. The wing employs 80 pilots and 89 flight attendants who are handpicked for this mission from the greater Air Force pool. Pilots with fewer than 2,500 hours of flight time won't even be considered, and most have several thousand hours of experience flying fighter jets or other military aircraft. Though their tailored blue business suits and uniforms might suggest otherwise, these people are all battle-ready, field-trained and prepared to defend their aircraft and passengers on a moment's notice.

The same principle applies to the V-P. Whatever aircraft Pence happens to be aboard is designated AF2.

If only direct family is aboard, then the designation is Executive 1 or Executive 2 respectively.

In these days of ADSB in and out, the practice of having an identical 'dummy' aircraft seems a bit archaic and silly, but then again our government is rife with silliness and waste.
 

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There can be one and only one aircraft using the callsign AF1. That is simply because AF1 means the President is on board. Obviously the President cannot be on two separate aircraft at the same time. :ROFLMAO:
Hence the OP and screenshot of ADS-B which shows TWO aircraft using the AF1 call sign earlier this week. We are well aware of the proper usage of the callsign, but apparently someone screwed up and both 82-8000 and 92-9000 were using the call sign en route to Louisianan.
 

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There can be one and only one aircraft using the callsign AF1. That is simply because AF1 means the President is on board. Obviously the President cannot be on two separate aircraft at the same time. :ROFLMAO:

For that matter, regardless of the actual aircraft being used, it is always designated AF1. It doesn't even have to be an Air Force plane. Were the President to whimsically decide to use his "Trump 1" aircraft, it would become AF1, but of course the crew would still be from his assigned Air Force pilots and stewards. He would be strongly discouraged from doing so because his aircraft has never been updated with the specialized communications equipment, as well as other counter air strike defenses!

All aircraft, including the two that serve as Air Force One, are housed and maintained at Andrews, just 10 miles southeast of the White House. The wing employs 80 pilots and 89 flight attendants who are handpicked for this mission from the greater Air Force pool. Pilots with fewer than 2,500 hours of flight time won't even be considered, and most have several thousand hours of experience flying fighter jets or other military aircraft. Though their tailored blue business suits and uniforms might suggest otherwise, these people are all battle-ready, field-trained and prepared to defend their aircraft and passengers on a moment's notice.

The same principle applies to the V-P. Whatever aircraft Pence happens to be aboard is designated AF2.

If only direct family is aboard, then the designation is Executive 1 or Executive 2 respectively.

In these days of ADSB in and out, the practice of having an identical 'dummy' aircraft seems a bit archaic and silly, but then again our government is rife with silliness and waste.
If Trump would want to fly on the Trump 757 (if the Secret Service would allow him-doubtful) - the callsign would be Executive 1. It is only AF1 when it is a USAF asset. Executive 1 F (Foxtrot) is an aircraft flying a familiy member of the President. Executive 2 would be the VP on a non-military aircraft...etc etc

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N4GIX is correct on the use of AF1. As a former military controller I have had the pleasure of working AF1 and and had fun with the aircraft in Germany.

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N4GIX is correct on the use of AF1. As a former military controller I have had the pleasure of working AF1 and and had fun with the aircraft in Germany.

Terry
Which parts are correct ? If you were working AF1 - then you were working an US Air Force asset with POTUS onboard. Have you ever worked an aircraft with POTUS on board that was not a USAF asset ?

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According to the FAA Air Traffic Control Manual:

(a) When the President is aboard a military aircraft, state the name of the military service, followed by the word “One.”
EXAMPLE- “Air Force One.” “Army One.” “Marine One.”
(b) When the President is aboard a civil aircraft, state the words “Executive One.”
(c) When a member of the President's family is aboard any aircraft, if the U.S. Secret Service or the White House Staff determines it is necessary, state the words “Executive One Foxtrot.”
REFERENCE- FAAO JO 7110.65, Para 2-1-4, Operational Priority.
8. Vice Presidential aircraft:
(a) When the Vice President is aboard a military aircraft, state the name of the military service, followed by the word “Two.”
EXAMPLE- “Air Force Two.” “Army Two.” “Marine Two.”
(b) When the Vice President is aboard a civil aircraft, state the words “Executive Two.”
(c) When a member of the Vice President's family is aboard any aircraft, if the U.S. Secret Service or the White House Staff determines it is necessary, state the words “Executive Two Foxtrot.”

REFERENCE- FAAO JO 7110.65, Para 2-1-4, Operational Priority.
 

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K6PCW is 100% correct. Not really sure where a lot of this other info is coming from in this thread, but the .65 states exactly how Presidential movement is handled when dealing with ATC.
 

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All that has been proven is you can't rely on a 'callsign' entered into the transponder as being the 'actual' callsign used on the radio (but everyone knew this from the many variant abbreviations of long radio callsigns, old callsigns not being changed etc. already?).

Out of interest, as the two 747s came over Britain this morning the newer one was AF1 and the other SAM45 ...until it too changed to show AF1.
HUGE99 was showing on the label for the E4 ith them
 

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All that has been proven is you can't rely on a 'callsign' entered into the transponder as being the 'actual' callsign used on the radio (but everyone knew this from the many variant abbreviations of long radio callsigns, old callsigns not being changed etc. already?).

Out of interest, as the two 747s came over Britain this morning the newer one was AF1 and the other SAM45 ...until it too changed to show AF1.
HUGE99 was showing on the label for the E4 ith them
29000 used the callsign Air Force 1 on the radio when communicating with ATC all the way up into Canada. They took the northerly route. 28000 used the callsign SAM45 on the radio when in communication with ATC until off the coast at Massachusetts (same route the E4B took).

Real key is which aircraft did the POTUS step off from upon arrival ? 29000 or 28000 ? And the winner is 29000
 
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With the president coming to Wildwood Tuesday I have to air ferquencies programmed for down here ready to go. Unfortunately I'll be at the rally before he lands!! Maybe I'll get him when he leaves
 
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