vp8000 seller cant transfer ownership

[Silent99]

I was looking at purchasing a VP8000 and prior to purchase I asked the seller if they could transfer ownership via the vault and they stated "I dont have the capability to transfer the "owenership" via the vault. The license keys within the radio will still be covered under the lifetime coverage if sent to a dealer or depot. All the vault would do is allow you to remove the keys for use in another unit and I cant provide that. We have sold several additional features to customers that have purchased units from other dealers with no problem. All EFJ needs for a feature to be added is the serial number."

They're still asking $4500 for this.. does this seem reasonable? Not too familiar with EFJ and would like to be certain of things before I drop that kind of coin.

 

[kd4efm]

It's a matter of talking to tech support to have it moved.

 

[Silent99]

It's a matter of talking to tech support to have it moved.

Thanks!

 

[Silent99]

It's a matter of talking to tech support to have it moved.

Would the licenses on there still apply or would they get wiped out after transfer?

 

[buddrousa]

If you do not have the Title to your vehicle is it yours?

 

[Silent99]

If you do not have the Title to your vehicle is it yours?

Evans says tech support will transfer it.

 

[buddrousa]

Yes the question now is the Seller willing to let them go?

 

[wd8chl]

You can't really take licenses out of a radio. They stay with it once they're in. Anyone selling a radio needs to sell it with what it has in it. You can add, but you can't subtract.

 

[otobmark]

Outside of houses and vehicles, most of the things we own do not have titles including our radios. You can list your stolen radio with Motorola and they will react if it passes through their hands.

So, does my EFJ have an electronic title that must be transferred if I sell it?

For example if I sell my radio to you and you connect to your vault will it accept the radio? Is it like kenwood cps where you have to disable from one machine to activate on another? In an emergency what if you cannot connect to mothership because server is down or internet unavailable? In public safety getting locked out is dangerous. We pretend internet is indestructible in the moment despite seeing it fail over and over again.
When deployed to WNC during Helene several systems I needed immediately used passwords (PCs, accounts, cashe radios). No one present knew the passwords and we were locked out. I created new accounts with new computers where possible and eventually found a person with cashe radio passwords. All of this was due to poor planning but there will ALWAYS be poor planning! Big topic.

 

[Echo4Thirty]

You can't really take licenses out of a radio. They stay with it once they're in. Anyone selling a radio needs to sell it with what it has in it. You can add, but you can't subtract.

This is not true with Vault. Some licenses can be snatched out and put back in the vault for use in another radio. Not all features can be removed but a few can. We have transferred several out of radios back into our vault and then back into the customers replacement radios.

 

[wd8chl]

This is not true with Vault. Some licenses can be snatched out and put back in the vault for use in another radio. Not all features can be removed but a few can. We have transferred several out of radios back into our vault and then back into the customers replacement radios.

That isn't true at all. As a dealer, we are not allowed to take licenses out of a radio once they are in. For Kenwood's that use LMC, you have 72 hours to take it out, but vault doesn't allow for that.

 

[Echo4Thirty]

I personally have removed features from VP600s and transferred them into other VP900s that the agency owns, it had nothing to do with LMC or KPG as these were Viking radios programmed in Armada, not KPG. Again, not all features are able to be transferred out but some indeed are.

 

[otobmark]

The original post is still not answered: who owns and has control of a given radio?
Anyone with the password (if one is set)?
Whoever has physical possession of the radio? Or, whoever EFJ says owns it?

 

[n7maq-1]

Well I don't have an exact answer for the OP, this is part of a press release from EFJ regarding " Perpetual Software License". Yes you can transfer some options from one Viking subscriber to another.

EFJohnson Introduces New Perpetual Software License Program and Expansion of Viking Product Line at IWCE

Las Vegas, NV – March 22, 2016 – EF Johnson Technologies, Inc. will introduce the industry’s first subscriber radio Perpetual Software License Program and expansion of its Viking P25 product line at the International Wireless Communications Exhibition (IWCE), March 23 - 24 at the Las Vegas Convention Center.

Before today, each time you purchased a P25 land mobile radio, you paid for the hardware plus all the software options. In some cases the software options alone exceed 70% of the radio price. With EFJohnson's new subscriber radio Perpetual Software License Program, you only buy the software option once and you own the associated use license as an “asset” which is transferable forever. The next time you need to purchase a radio you can transfer your perpetual software license to the new radio, saving you the cost of repurchasing the same software option a second or third time. The program will initially offer perpetual licenses on ten commonly purchased public safety software options including P25 Phase 1 Trunking and P25 Digital Protocol Common-Air-Interface (CAI). EFJohnson P25 radios purchased with these perpetual software options before the start of the program are grandfathered in, which offers EFJohnson customers instant additional value.

 

[AM909]

As I understand it, some licenses are perpetual (e.g., the VP8000 P25 conventional and trunking licenses) and can be transferred to/from Vault at will, while others (e.g., the VP8000 P25 OTAP and OTAR, band provisioning) stay with the radio (possibly with a short window of opportunity for removal like Kenwood).

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[otobmark]

Remind me how do you associate a radio with your vault? Does dealer have to do it?

 

[AM909]

From the My Radios window in Vault, if I click the button at the upper right that says "0 radios connected", it says:

To connect radios to Vault, run Armada on your local computer, and enter your
Vault Credentials into Armada's preferences.
Then connect your radio via USB and it will appear here.

I don't know what it does when you connect a radio that it hasn't seen before, but it may be as simple as that.

 

[otobmark]

under vault there is a button for "Transfer Radio" but I'm reluctant the press it for fear of screwing something up. Since it says Transfer instead of associate it makes me think I have to have a destination vault to send the radio to instead of just releasing it into limbo or equivalent to an "open title".

 

[wd8chl]

Well I don't have an exact answer for the OP, this is part of a press release from EFJ regarding " Perpetual Software License". Yes you can transfer some options from one Viking subscriber to another.

EFJohnson Introduces New Perpetual Software License Program and Expansion of Viking Product Line at IWCE

Las Vegas, NV – March 22, 2016 – EF Johnson Technologies, Inc. will introduce the industry’s first subscriber radio Perpetual Software License Program and expansion of its Viking P25 product line at the International Wireless Communications Exhibition (IWCE), March 23 - 24 at the Las Vegas Convention Center.

Before today, each time you purchased a P25 land mobile radio, you paid for the hardware plus all the software options. In some cases the software options alone exceed 70% of the radio price. With EFJohnson's new subscriber radio Perpetual Software License Program, you only buy the software option once and you own the associated use license as an “asset” which is transferable forever. The next time you need to purchase a radio you can transfer your perpetual software license to the new radio, saving you the cost of repurchasing the same software option a second or third time. The program will initially offer perpetual licenses on ten commonly purchased public safety software options including P25 Phase 1 Trunking and P25 Digital Protocol Common-Air-Interface (CAI). EFJohnson P25 radios purchased with these perpetual software options before the start of the program are grandfathered in, which offers EFJohnson customers instant additional value.

Well, it doesn't work. Never did, doesn't now. We are not allowed to take licenses out of a radio once they are in. Period.

 

[wd8chl]

As I understand it, some licenses are perpetual (e.g., the VP8000 P25 conventional and trunking licenses) and can be transferred to/from Vault at will, while others (e.g., the VP8000 P25 OTAP and OTAR, band provisioning) stay with the radio (possibly with a short window of opportunity for removal like Kenwood).

johnson perpetual license vault - Google Search

That's a lot closer. So you're saying you can take P25 conv'l and trunking out? Well, I don't know why anyone would want to do that, and every Viking radio that has gone through here has both in it anyway. There's no reason to move it that I've seen. So it's a useless function if it does work.