Wayne TRS help

[Trunk240]

So at this point not sure if it is me, WIN500, RR, or scanner issue.

Trunk240 I am in Bergen Co (Midland Park area) and work in Paterson. Thanks to all for reading and any advise/suggestions would be great

I can't speak to WIN500 our your scanners (the models, generally, or yours, specifically) but I can tell you that the RR database reflects the information I receive through my 396XT with Pro96Com? Could you receive Wayne before? If so, I'm very surprised. Even when I was receiving the system fine, I'd quickly lose reception going down Breakneck Rd. Reception was virtually non-existent near the Market Basket.

With that said, stranger things have happened. I used to get three bars in Florham Park near the Jets training faculty with the stock antenna.

Yesterday I took a ride with my 396t through Wayne. Surprisingly the scanner was picking up the system fine. Signal was good through the Pompton Lakes area also. However when returning to my home area in Bloomingdale the system trouble returned. I believe that the RF output may have been lowered making monitoring marginal in some of the fringe areas. Has anyone experienced this same issue?

I drove around a little bit the other day. I had perfect reception near the police department (interesting considering that's not an antenna site), but it quickly degraded as I got father away.

I still can't get over the fact that some transmissions have full signal bars and others (the bad ones) have no bars. That shouldn't be the case if each site is transmitting on all seven frequencies.

 

[n2kkz]

But there was no issue a month ago. What did they change?

 

[sacharoffm]

So, I noticed that the control channel has changed from 471.2875 to 471.3125. I wonder if there was a problem with that control channel or an antenna issue at one of their sites. I heard what sounded like radio techs yesterday afternoon talking about something, but was not close to my scanner at the time to catch the full conversation.

 

[Trunk240]

Interesting. I was out of town yesterday. I'll have to listen and run it through Pro96Com tonight. I'll report back.

Are you listening on your XTS or a scanner? Have you noticed any difference in reception?

 

[sacharoffm]

I am listening on a scanner and also running Unitrunker on the system as well.

 

[Trunk240]

Turned on the scanner a little before midnight and listened long enough to confirm the control channel change and to hear a horribly garbled transmission on EMS Ops 1.

I'm interested to see what develops...

 

[Alfred56]

Any updated info on this I am still having a hard time receiving Wayne's system

 

[APX8000]

Anyone notice Wayne and Fort Lee use the same system ID ?

 

[APX8000]

I'm hearing EMS tone outs on TG 12560 and more recently 12565. They said "Wayne Rescue" on 12560 and I didn't catch 12565 becasue it went all garbled. Can anyone confirm these talkgroups for the alert tones?

 

[sacharoffm]

I have noticed that they do use the same system ID. When I updated Unitrunker it did not know which system I was listening to and prompted me to choose. I will try and catch the tone out's when I am at work on Monday.

 

[Trunk240]

Anyone notice Wayne and Fort Lee use the same system ID ?

Good catch. I didn't notice that, but according to the database (and I'll have to confirm with Pro96Com tonight), they also use the same WACN ID (926A5). That is really interesting, because I think the System ID and WACN ID are supposed to be calculated from the callsign (as per the "Guidelines to Assign Wide Area Communication Network and System Identities"). For instance, if you run Fort Lee's callsign (WQBL382) through the calculator, you get a System ID of 04E and a WACN ID of 926A5.

If you run Wayne's trunked system's callsign, WQMH983, you get a System ID of 83E and a WACN ID of 92753. Therefore, it would appear that Wayne did not properly assign WACN and System IDs. I'm not sure what the consequences are, though. I think it would only be a problem if the two municipalities were using the same frequency or frequencies. It doesn't look they share any, even including their respective mobile site frequencies.

Wayne's Frequencies
471.28750
471.31250
471.33750
471.38750
472.15000
474.28750
474.31250
474.33750
474.38750
475.15000
476.45000
476.57500
479.45000
479.57500

Fort Lee's Frequencies
470.05000
470.18750
470.27500
473.01250
473.05000
473.18750
473.27500
476.05000
476.10000
476.26250
479.05000
479.10000
479.13750
479.26250

That's all I "know" (and it may very well be incorrect). I'd be very interested to hear a system administrator's opinion on this.

Edit: Out of curiosity, does anyone know what kind of radios Fort Lee uses? Wayne PD uses Harris. I may have a theory...

Edit 2: Fort Lee runs a Harris system, and I think it predates Wayne. I think they probably just copied over the System ID, WACN ID, and NAC (also 04E, which allows affiliation by non-APX Motorolas apparently) because it worked for Fort Lee.

 

[APX8000]

Are they CQPSK or C4FM ? Since it's a Harris ip25, can a properly programmed and authorized Motorola radio affiliate? I'm not familiar with Harris systems other than EDACS.

 

[Trunk240]

CQPSK.

My understanding is that the P25 Trunking-capable Motorolas can, by default, affiliate so long as the System ID and Site NAC are the same (i.e., a single "site" system like Fort Lee or Wayne). In the Moto APX, I read that you can disable the validation of the NAC against System ID, but I've never had and will never have one of those in my hands. In the XTS radios, you have to enable Intra-WACN roaming when you program the radio, but you need an advanced WACN key to do it.

 

[APX8000]

Thank you sir.


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[Trunk240]

Ran Pro96Com tonight for about an hour.

System Information:
SysID: 04E

Site Information:
RFSS: 015
SITE: 015
WACN: 926A5

I noticed a couple interesting things in the site activity window. The first two frequencies are (or at least "have been" according to the program interface) designated as control channels (hence the "c"), but 471.31250 seems to be recognized by Pro96Com as the current control channel. 471.38750 is designated solely as a voice channel (hence the "v"), but received no hits over the past hour. I wonder what's going on with that frequency. Perhaps they're using it for a different purpose now (i.e., a talkaround channel, maybe).
471.28750, cav, 27 hits
471.31250, cv, 0 hits (control channel)
471.33750, av, 25 hits
471.38750, v, 0 hits
472.15000, av, 25 hits
476.45000, av, 27 hits
476.57500, av, 22 hits

Also, in the affiliation log, I saw some radio on a crazy talkgroup (38144) get denied. I wonder what happened there.

 

[warren5568]

wayne trs

having trouble with wayne can anyone help

 

[GM]

Not sure what the specific issue is with what type of assistance you need, but here is an ongoing thread of discussion: http://forums.radioreference.com/new-jersey-radio-discussion-forum/309755-wayne-trs-help.html

 

[warren5568]

i am new to ths but not receiving anything it seems the other thread having he same issues but no fix

 

[warren5568]

anyone receiving wayne without any problems

 

[APX8000]

Merged threads.