What I've learned after 26 days as a ham...

KE9BXE

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I'm a brand new ham and truly a neophyte. Wow, what a learning curve. Just passing on my experiences for correction by more experienced people and as a warning of what not to do for others.

I got my technicians license on the 14th and my amateur extra on the 24th of last month. The first week or so was playing around with Baofengs and learning that very little VHF/UHF exists in my area and very few repeaters are reachable via a HT. So then I pivoted to a DMR HT, an Anytone 878. That is a learning curve! Not only is it really complicated, but the CPS software is absolutely the worst designed software I've seen in three decades of technology. I learned just today that I could have saved 20 hours of agony had I bought the RT Systems CPS for my radio much earlier. ($25) Cut/Paste, import of repeaters, all the good stuff to build codeplugs goes much faster with that software. I also watched a lot of video from the bridgecom university series and while decent, I think youtube plus the RT systems software would have been far more productive and with less time.

For getting on the air with a hotspot, I bought an Openspot 4 which worked with merely 5 mins of setup. That was an easy step and if you're willing to pay for the easy button, press that one. If I had to do it over again with the knowledge I picked up along the way, I might have built my own pi-star for less than a hundred bucks but I was trying to learn too many things all at the same time to do it.

In hindsight, the #1 biggest regret was that I followed the dozens of hours of how-to videos for using the Anytone CPS instead of getting the RT systems CPS from the very start. If you can use CHIRP, you can use RT systems with little extra training.

The other stumbling block that I struggled with is the fact that I'm a mac user. I figured out after many hours that I needed a free copy of vmware fusion, a free copy of windows (it is legal to use without a license key in stripped-down mode), and to run the ham software all in the windows VM. That takes time, but once you get it all going then you can run all the necessary apps.

So that's what I learned on my journey so far. Enjoying the journey, but it has been a very steep learning curve!

Experts, feel free to judge my errors accordingly.
 

KE9BXE

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Anytone software is easy if you are familiar with commercial radio programming.

I'm not familiar with commercial radio programming. I am familiar with general programming, GUI design, logic, and application architecture. I've employed thousands of IT folks in my career on 4 continents and a variety of cultures. If an employee delivered me beta code that resembled the Anytone CPS, I would have fired that person or team on the spot.

Just an IT opinion, not a ham radio opinion.
 

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I'm not familiar with commercial radio programming. I am familiar with general programming, GUI design, logic, and application architecture. I've employed thousands of IT folks in my career on 4 continents and a variety of cultures. If an employee delivered me beta code that resembled the Anytone CPS, I would have fired that person or team on the spot.

Just an IT opinion, not a ham radio opinion.
Welcome to the world of chicom radios.
 

KE9BXE

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Welcome to the world of chicom radios.

That's a fair warning to any new ham. I could never get a good comparison of CPS software online that would drive me from a DMR based option from Anytone to a DSTAR Icom, or to a Yaesu Fusion. Without any compare-contrast of the CPS' I was left to assume they are all equally awful in their engineering.

As far as chicom radios, I don't have anything to compare one to but I find the anytone 878 to be a great setup for reasonable money provided that there was a CPS that had basic v1.0 features. It does not. Things like copy/paste, import of data, merging of data inside the CPS, checksum verification of code match between radio and SW, drag and drop, and other basics have been expected on any commercial applications written since the mid-1990s.
 

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Hi @KE9BXE and welcome to Amateur Radio! Congratulations also on getting your Amateur Extra license!

When it comes to D-STAR versus Fusion, I find Yaesu’s Fusion and WIRES-X systems work better and are easier to navigate than D-STAR. If you get a Yaesu Fusion radio and a hotspot, then you can also talk to DMR, P25, NXDN using the Pi-Star software. I would recommend that you try Icom’s D-STAR and Yaesu’s Fusion before deciding which route to take.

Finally, RT Systems software is the best! I use it for all of my radios.

73, my friend, Dave K4EET
 

kayn1n32008

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Anytone software is easy if you are familiar with commercial radio programming.
Anytone software is garbage. This is coming from a guy that is comfortable using most anything newer than KPG-38d, including KPG-111d, KPDG-D1, D3, CPS Ver 16 Build 828, CPS 2.0, ASTRO 25 Mobile, ASTRO 25 Portable,
 

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Being a new ham is like learning to play the violin. It’s a struggle at first. Then, if you stick with it, it starts to come together. The more you learn the more you want to try new things. Eventually you’ll find the aspects of the hobby that really speak to you. After awhile you might consider upgrading to general and giving HF a try. Being able to talk to people hundreds or even thousands of miles away with no infrastructure is an amazing experience.
 

N1EXA

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I looked you up at QRZ.com and you have no Information... All I can say is Slow Down !
We all were spinning tops when we got into the hobby I dont know where your going
but you will burn out or find that sweet spot just dont spend to much $$$ doing it.

Been Doing this for 40+ years and still learning
Pete N1EXA
 

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For a nooby, about any radio service software can be quite a learning curve. You get into digital, it becomes 10 fold.
Don't burn yourself out with this, it takes time and lots of patience. Small steps at a time.
I remember my first digital radio programming, it took months, lots of coffee, dozens of trial/error before I got it right.
Welcome to ham radio, you will be learning stuff for another 4 decades.
 

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The world of amateur radio is much more vast than what one can often experience with a low cost HT. Most amateur repeater systems are intended for mobile radios or fixed stations. An HT can be made to work with a good quality, low cost external antenna like a J-Pole or even a magnet mount mobile antenna on a good ground plane. Low cost Chinese radios usually miss the mark performance wise with included "rubber duck" antennas and are really only useful for simplex operations and close by repeaters.

As far as ease of use, nothing beats a GOOD QUALITY AMATEUR transceiver from one of the three Japanese manufacturers. They have things like VFOs and fast band scan that make finding activity easier, no PC or Mac needed. Even a 30 year old radio will get one access to local repeaters (analog) and with a decent antenna, horizons open.

The AnyTone radios, while marketed to hams, are really commercial radios in disguise and require much more time to learn the programming software. While they may have VFOs and band scan, they are poor implementations/adaptations and aren't the same experience for "hamming" than a purpose built amateur rig. DMR is also a commercial radio adaptation to the amateur service and while fun and exciting, the barrier of entry cost and technology wise can be overwhelming, especially if there aren't any local clubs or fellow hams to guide you through it.

I hope you can find a local club or group to guide you. No amount of YouTube videos or forums can replace having actual ham to ham in person contact, plus, many hams will loan out gear to new folks and help you set it up and learn it hands on. Remember this: ham radio- if you're not having fun, you're doing it wrong! So HAVE FUN and take your time. If you get bored with one mode, band or group, there is always another waiting for you when you are ready!
 

KE9BXE

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This thread was chock full of sound wisdom from experienced hams. Thank you gentlemen.

Regarding my QRZ account, I did set it up, create a tiny bio, and populated the logbook so I'm not sure why it wasn't coming up for one of the members above?

If you'd permit me to complain a bit, I'm fine for DMR or any other tech being hard to learn, my complaint was that I had to muster 30 years of IT experience to work around CPS defects that are nonsensical and have nothing to do with ham, everything to do with terrible software development. That's it, I don't want to beat the hardware engineers at Anytone with a rubber hose, only the guy that thought he was qualified to write a Windows based application. It's really obvious that the developer was self-taught because there were basic functional and non-functional requirements completely missed that would be a table-stake in any other software package. It wasn't rocket science, they just needed to rip off CHIRP and add more features. RT systems on the other hand did just that, they made CHIRP for digital and then made it better. I respect the forethought for user experience. It's an amazing piece of software for $25.
 

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...That's it, I don't want to beat the hardware engineers at Anytone with a rubber hose, only the guy that thought he was qualified to write a Windows based application...
I think the same "guy" writes all the CCR software. The CPS for my Alinco DMR handheld is strikingly similar to the Anytone. I have to wonder if it's partly a language/cultural issue with the CCR software.

RT Systems is still (as far as I know) USA based and is more in tune with the American mindset and way o doing things.
 

MTS2000des

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This thread was chock full of sound wisdom from experienced hams. Thank you gentlemen.

Regarding my QRZ account, I did set it up, create a tiny bio, and populated the logbook so I'm not sure why it wasn't coming up for one of the members above?

If you'd permit me to complain a bit, I'm fine for DMR or any other tech being hard to learn, my complaint was that I had to muster 30 years of IT experience to work around CPS defects that are nonsensical and have nothing to do with ham, everything to do with terrible software development. That's it, I don't want to beat the hardware engineers at Anytone with a rubber hose, only the guy that thought he was qualified to write a Windows based application. It's really obvious that the developer was self-taught because there were basic functional and non-functional requirements completely missed that would be a table-stake in any other software package. It wasn't rocket science, they just needed to rip off CHIRP and add more features. RT systems on the other hand did just that, they made CHIRP for digital and then made it better. I respect the forethought for user experience. It's an amazing piece of software for $25.
I program professional radios for a living. I manage a trunked radio system with over 10,000 subscribers, 4 dispatch sites, 15 RF subsites and subscriber equipment from Motorola Solutions, JVC Kenwood, Tait and L3 Harris- all of them are a learning curve and require time an training to master authoring templates which become codeplugs and get put into production. Also have to keep firmware up to date on this stuff as performance and features are always evolving. Then we can start talking about things like encryption keyloading.

Point is, DMR is from the same ilk and NOT amateur radio per se, so don't sweat it as much as getting your feet wet with AMATEUR specific gear, terminology and practical use. You'll see that AMATEUR specific hardware and software is much more tame and logical.
 

N1EXA

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This thread was chock full of sound wisdom from experienced hams. Thank you gentlemen.

Regarding my QRZ account, I did set it up, create a tiny bio, and populated the logbook so I'm not sure why it wasn't coming up for one of the members above?

If you'd permit me to complain a bit, I'm fine for DMR or any other tech being hard to learn, my complaint was that I had to muster 30 years of IT experience to work around CPS defects that are nonsensical and have nothing to do with ham, everything to do with terrible software development. That's it, I don't want to beat the hardware engineers at Anytone with a rubber hose, only the guy that thought he was qualified to write a Windows based application. It's really obvious that the developer was self-taught because there were basic functional and non-functional requirements completely missed that would be a table-stake in any other software package. It wasn't rocket science, they just needed to rip off CHIRP and add more features. RT systems on the other hand did just that, they made CHIRP for digital and then made it better. I respect the forethought for user experience. It's an amazing piece of software for $25.
I stopped by QRZ - Hey thats all you need - A flag in the sand to say im A Ham !
I see you got some stars on some of your log contacts - Those stars add up and then you start getting those bragging right awards.
I know It seems petty but you get warm fuzzies when you get worked all 50 States or the Master of Europe award ~

Pete N1EXA
 

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For a nooby, about any radio service software can be quite a learning curve. You get into digital, it becomes 10 fold.
Don't burn yourself out with this, it takes time and lots of patience. Small steps at a time.
I remember my first digital radio programming, it took months, lots of coffee, dozens of trial/error before I got it right.
Welcome to ham radio, you will be learning stuff for another 4 decades.
My second DMR radio is a Wouxun KG-UVN1. I got it right before I got a deal on an AnyTone 878. I struggled with the Wouxun for a year before I got it programmed. The AnyTone was a breeze! IMHO, if you can program a Wouxun DMR, you can program anything! Plus, once programmed, it is a good ECR (Expensive Chinese Radio, LOL!).
 
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