Who's right it is to label a private club repeater "closed"?!?!?

[gewecke]

Sounds like it was a misinformed opinion. The inherent problem with any other official stance is that it would potentially put licensees in a position where rules force them to relinquish control over a transmitter (the repeater), which is an untenable position for the FCC to take. A licensee must have the ability to chose how his transmitter is operated, and by whom. As written, the rules make that provision.

You have to remember, a repeater is the owner's property, every bit as much as his home station is, and he is just as responsible for the operation. You don't have the right to march into a guys living room and use his home station, if he doesn't want you to. As to the actual frequency, coordination is a voluntary 'self policing' thing, which the FCC encourages. It's done by 'gentlemen's agreement', operative word being 'gentlemen'. Those who chose to ignore the process are probably better regarded as cretins. There's room on the bands for everyone - open repeaters, closed repeaters, simplex, whatever. There is no reason for people to not be allowed to operate their repeater systems in the manner that they choose.

I guess at times I'm a cretin then,lol! I usually reject claims that I'm a gentleman too! :twisted:
n9zas

 

[zz0468]

And enlightened repeater coordination bodies have assigned what is referred to as "shared, non-protected pairs" so that individuals can experiment with setting up their own repeater without going through the coordination process. Repeaters on these SNPPs are generally low-profile, "neighborhood" repeaters using tone or other types of controlled access. "Non-protected" means that owners and users of these repeaters must accept interference from other systems on the frequency.

Yep. Here in California, they're known as "test pairs", and the work just like you stated.

I guess at times I'm a cretin then,lol! I usually reject claims that I'm a gentleman too!

Then you're part of the problem. :roll:

 

[gewecke]

Yep. Here in California, they're known as "test pairs", and the work just like you stated.



Then you're part of the problem. :roll:

Maybe so,because I don't do well in crowds,don't like airbags who chat for hours on a freq about their colon issues,etc. Most of all,I don't accept some moron who tells me I can't use a repeater because I'm not a freakin member! I'm independent and I DO NOT care to be in a "butterfly" radio club where they frown on you when you don't cough up your hard earned money to their nothing club!
Go ahead and label me as a cold unfeeling ill- tempered prick because that's what I AM!! :twisted:
n9zas

 

[zz0468]

Maybe so,because I don't do well in crowds

Then stay away from repeaters.

...don't like airbags who chat for hours on a freq about their colon issues,etc.

Then stay away from repeaters!

Most of all,I don't accept some moron who tells me I can't use a repeater because I'm not a freakin member!

Then stay away from repeaters!!!

I'm independent and I DO NOT care to be in a "butterfly" radio club where they frown on you when you don't cough up your hard earned money to their nothing club!

That's fine, but if you don't care to contribute, then you can't really complain. What's really amusing is when people who share your attitude become the first to complain when a repeater is down for repairs, or doesn't quite cover the area they want it to cover. Are you one of those?

There's room on the ham bands for everyone, every lifestyle, and every attitude, even yours. But only if we all stay the hell away from each other.

Go ahead and label me as a cold unfeeling ill- tempered prick because that's what I AM!! :twisted:
n9zas

That's not quite the name I had in mind. But seriously, suit yourself. You can rest assured that you will never have to hear ME on the radio talking about my spleen, and I can sleep well at night knowing that, as long as I sit on the membership committee, I'll never have to accidentally drop your application in the garbage.

 

[k9rzz]

One local repeater here, which has a very good range, is the complete opposite of 'closed' in that during normal business hours there is always a 'responder' on the air who will talk to anyone who's looking for a QSO. You don't have to talk to the responder, but you are guaranteed that there is always someone on to talk to if you want. These are just locals who volunteer a couple hours a week to be around. How cool is that?

 

[kb2vxa]

"Go ahead and label me as a cold unfeeling ill- tempered prick because that's what I AM!!"
When I hear you during a band opening you won't have to remind me not to answer your call. (;->)

 

[zz0468]

One local repeater here, which has a very good range, is the complete opposite of 'closed' in that during normal business hours there is always a 'responder' on the air...

...How cool is that?

That's actually a neat idea.

 

[chrismol1]

That's actually a neat idea.

Same around here, on a few repeaters in the capital region you can always put your call out and someone will respond.
I'd think that the way amateur radio is going these days that more people would be encouraged to get on the air.

 

[zz0468]

Same around here, on a few repeaters in the capital region you can always put your call out and someone will respond.
I'd think that the way amateur radio is going these days that more people would be encouraged to get on the air.

While it's a neat idea, any clubs that provide that 'service' should make it a point to put it out there. There are over 1100 coordinated repeaters in Southern California on various bands. Many are essentially unpopulated, many are closed. It would be difficult to be a traveler in the area trying to strike up a conversation without some idea where the friendly repeaters are.

I think that would be a far more valuable list than one which contains all repeaters in an area. The quiet ones, and the private ones don't want to be listed.

 

[RolnCode3]

This question goes WAY beyond ham repeaters and gets into the basic right to own property, the role of government regulation over that property, and constitutional law. The right to exclude others from your property is one of the most important tenets of private property.

Unless the regulations (at the time you are issued your license) required that anyone be allowed to transmit on your licensed frequencies, any further intervention by a government body could be unconstitutional. And these regulations would likely have to apply to ALL licenses of certain types, rather than just individual applications.

 

[kb2vxa]

This is beginning to sound like the never ending battle between us and them, hams vs. landlords, CC&Rs and the dreaded HOA Nazis. They had it all locked up until the powerful NAB lobby and the FCC cleared the way for antennas used for broadcast reception, satellite dishes being most common. Hams have made a few inroads via state legislature preempting local zoning ordinances but it's an ongoing battle since the FCC being federal refuses to get involved, wisely IMO.

Yeah I know money talks but that's the way it goes, we hams don't have enough to buy the FCC. I'll bet THAT comment just opened a can of worms, have fun posters. (;->)

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And after all were only ordinary men.
Me, and you.
God only knows it's not what we would choose to do.
Forward he cried from the rear
And the front rank died.
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Moved from side to side.
Black and blue
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Up and down.
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