XG-100P Battery Life

[W4KRR]

Yes, I purchased the Waveband branded 4100mah battery. It charges in the oval XG-100 charger just fine. However this battery will not fit in any of my other Harris chargers due to the additional "fins" on the side. I've only seen this and the Harris branded Li-Po batteries with the extra "fins".

 

[splinter34]

Yes, mine also has the additional fins. 2 fins on each side.

 

[TDR-94]

Used ones. Harris OEM Unity XG-100 3100mAh Battery XG100 P5200 P720 P5150 P7270 P5130 P7170 | eBay

Those in that listing were FM, also discontinued, and superseded by a 2400mah NiMh (FM) battery. The one I was thinking of is linked below. All 3 might be SMART batteries. The ones with the waffle pattern back are not though.

Harris 12082-0300-01 Li Po UNITY XG-100 battery P720 P5150 P7270 P5130 P7170 (2) | eBay

 

[northstarfire0693]

NLT has some that are 166 a pop. Not sure if they are aftermarket or NOS

 

[TDR-94]

NLT has some that are 166 a pop. Not sure if they are aftermarket or NOS

NOS

 

[Teotwaki]

There are some other chargers that will charge the Waveband battery, although strangely my Harris 100P charger is not one of them. View attachment 141805View attachment 141806


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The square charger is the CH-104560-016 REV. J
The other is the VC4000 CH-017231-002. Of course the radio won't fit unless you get creative with a dremel. But at least you can charge a battery on the cheap.

S

Oh, my new favorite topic.

There are are a lot of the square based desktop Harris tri-chem chargers on Ebay but the pictures can be lacking so key information is not available. You have to count the number of charge contacts and see if the charger can handle batteries for the Jaguar 700p, 7100P etc. Basically radios that the batteries of the 100P will also fit. I've not come to a clear conclusion about the Harris batteries' "chip" that talks to the charger and what the charger will do if the chip is not present.

I like the dremal mod but I think that's only necessary if you want the whole radio to fit in. Otherwise a lone battery should drop in. Also, don't forget to go into RPM Options and select the battery chemistry you are using.

 

[Teotwaki]

I'd like to find one of these VC4000 models at a cheap price

 

[tweiss3]

If I read this thread correctly, the oval Harris chargers don't have issues with charging Waveband/GTS/TAC1 batteries, but some of the square chargers do (charger numbers listed previously)?

 

[BMDaug]

If I read this thread correctly, the oval Harris chargers don't have issues with charging Waveband/GTS/TAC1 batteries, but some of the square chargers do (charger numbers listed previously)?

No. Basically no Harris charger, regardless of shape, will charge GTS batteries designed for 100P/P7100/P7200. This particular GTS model of battery doesn’t contain the ‘smart chip’ that Harris chargers require. I’ve tried the six bay square (2x3 bays) and the six bay rounded (1x6 bays), and the oval charger and none of them will charge the GTS.

My two, six bay GTS chargers absolutely LOVE the GTS batteries. Likewise, GTS batteries for all other Harris products work great in OEM Harris and L3H chargers.

I really like GTS for my XL200P for instance… charges great on my dual charger from L3H.

-B

 

[W4KRR]

If I read this thread correctly, the oval Harris chargers don't have issues with charging Waveband/GTS/TAC1 batteries, but some of the square chargers do (charger numbers listed previously)?

Refer to posts #41 and 42 above. Some of the GTS batteries won't fit into some Harris chargers because of the extra "fin"on the lower side of the battery.

 

[tweiss3]

Looking further, I think I'm most interested in the TAC1 4100 battery, which is not the same as the Waveband/GTS. @wa8pyr is it compatible with the oval charger?

 

[merlin]

Not at all. It just faults and stops charging.

-B

Been my observation that the smart charger with a dumb battery will only trickle charge, that can take a long time with a depleted 4000 Ma battery.

 

[merlin]

Refer to posts #41 and 42 above. Some of the GTS batteries won't fit into some Harris chargers because of the extra "fin"on the lower side of the battery.

Yea, an emory board or Dremel can fix that.

 

[Teotwaki]

I am using Battery Universe NiMh batteries, model BU2106, 2700 mAh each. They work fine with these two Harris/MaCom chargers:

VC4000 mobile charger model CH-017231-002
Tri-chemistry desk charger (square) model CH-104560-026

You can't drop the whole radio into the charger but that doesn't matter to me.

 

[redbeard]

The oval charger will likely treat the TAC1/Waveband/Power Products the same, which is to say it will be hit or miss. What it seems is that the charger will charge for awhile but then 'time out' and give a red LED indicator. You can usually remove and re-insert and it will go for awhile after that. I think the capacity is too high and the charger has a timer and when it doesn't see a fully charged battery by then it shuts down.

 

[trido]

Anyone have battery not latching in radio?Just bought a used harris battery off ebay.
looks fine .However it just wont click and stay on 100 p.Wont lock in place.
Seller says his battery is fine its my radio.Well my other harris battery locks in place.

 

[Teotwaki]

Anyone have battery not latching in radio?Just bought a used harris battery off ebay.
looks fine .However it just wont click and stay on 100 p.Wont lock in place.
Seller says his battery is fine its my radio.Well my other harris battery locks in place.

I have a variety of batteries: 6 new aftermarket NiMh that fit perfectly and 6 Harris OEM Lithium ion and Lithium polymers that vary in fitment.

Used Harris radios may have been dropped and bent the bottom of the frame. Used batteries might have been overcharged and swelled a little. I’ve also noticed that on some batteries the springy plastic tabs vary in thickness, possibly affecting the needed force to lock the battery in. So maybe varying tolerances between manufacturers and their design of the plastic cases.

Later today I’ll look at the Harris batteries in detail and report on my observations.

 

[rescue161]

That was one of the issues that we had with our radios. Tons of stuck batteries or batteries that would not stay on.

 

[Teotwaki]

Sample of 6 NiMH from Battery universe, 4 OEM LiPoly (China cells) and 3 OEM Li-Ion (Japan calls)

The key difference seems to be the springy plastic tab's thickness. The three with Japanese cells have tabs that are twice as thick at the free swinging end. They are stiffer, harder to compress and harder to unlatch.

Lithium Ions are Harris 12082-0304-01 Dates are all 02-15

 

[Teotwaki]

Sample of 6 NiMH from Battery universe, 4 OEM LiPoly (China cells) and 3 OEM Li-Ion (Japan calls)

The key difference seems to be the springy plastic tab's thickness. The three with Japanese cells have tabs that are twice as thick at the free swinging end. They are stiffer, harder to compress and harder to unlatch.

Lithium Ions are Harris 12082-0304-01 Dates are all 02-15

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