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No joke. That looks like BEARZ FL-240-350? 1??. 125? LOL. I don't think it's BEARZ bc that's the low sector.

I read it as BEARZ from FL240 to FL250 in that section. I suspect they delegated the extra 2000 feet of altitude to the Low sector to accommodate Chicago area arrivals.
 
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Jeez, no thanks to ZAU for those monstrosities lol. I wonder if we resubmit another FOIA asking for official charts. I understand that ZAU switches sectors and frequencies sometimes but...
 

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Along with the FSOP, most (if not all) facilities have the controller maps available in .pdf format. They are called "overhead maps." They will be more detailed than you ever want. More or less take the maps off of skyvector, but add all the ATC-related items, sectors, frequencies, etc.
 

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Along with the FSOP, most (if not all) facilities have the controller maps available in .pdf format. They are called "overhead maps." They will be more detailed than you ever want. More or less take the maps off of skyvector, but add all the ATC-related items, sectors, frequencies, etc.

Thanks for that, I'll be trying to track some of those down. Years ago back in the mid 90's I was in a pilot shop near Los Angeles and found charts that looked like the standard FAA high altitude charts but these ones also had the individual sectors depicted. I had never seen them anywhere else and have never been able to find them again.
 

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That's a real shame it would be nice just to say hey I'm an airband enthusiast and an air traffic control enthusiast and I would love to see your sectors and frequencies. But I understand their reasoning I guess post 9/11
 

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That's a real shame it would be nice just to say hey I'm an airband enthusiast and an air traffic control enthusiast and I would love to see your sectors and frequencies. But I understand their reasoning I guess post 9/11
And to be honest with you, there are facilities that would do it if they could. There is nothing super secret or anything on 99% of the material.

It's the 1% that they are worried about. It isn't even a 9/11 thing. There have always been classified documents in ATC facilities, just by the nature of the job. A great example is Letters of Agreement and Letters of Procedure with military entities.

What the FOIA process does is make sure that anything that shouldn't be released is either redacted, or just not released at all. When you file a FOIA request, the material does come from the facility itself, but it passes through other folks first, before it is released to the requestor. Generally speaking, the facility itself will not redact information or refuse to provide information (unless it's something blatant, like Area 51). They send off whatever they have per the request of the FOIA Coordinator. When it gets to the FOIA Coordinator, that's where things get redacted, documents removed, etc. Then it is released to the requestor.
 
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