In re: Delete, Delete, Delete FCC looks to eliminate rules and regulations

[MUTNAV]

I was kind of hoping for more technical things than politics in this thread... but so far I've gotten (radio wise)... allow encryption everywhere, don't allow encryption almost anywhere, ATSC-3 will be the death of OTA TV, there is too much RF noise... and the FCC has always had the requirement to look at and remove unnecessary rules, the (well one of) the problems is they don't seem to have been doing that. The laws that say to do it seem ineffective.

Anything else was missed in the non-radio nonsense. Focus guys, focus, this could be an opportunity, take advantage of it, before the bureaucrats get a rigged system again. (Don't get me wrong, I love a well run bureaucracy for many things, what has been happening for many years hasn't been that).

My 2¢ is to maybe keep quiet parts of the spectrum quiet, for the purposes of GPS reception and maybe avoiding the 5G --> radio altimeter issues that they had.

Like maybe building in rules that would keep the possibility of FM radio increasing power 100 times above what it is without reducing allowable noise levels, getting more customers for the stations, (the new noise floor would kill some localizers IMHO).

(I think the FCC was already asking about something like (new noise levels) in the recent past).

Thanks
Joel

 

[GlobalNorth]

A 25 year Amateur license makes sense for those applicants 50 years of age or younger. At 50 years or older, a 10 year license makes sense and will help clear out those gone SK or who no longer have an interest in the hobby.

 

[DaveNF2G]

Flush out those that have gone SK. But there's probably other ways to accomplish that without charing money.

We would probably end up with 120-year-old licensees some day.

 

[DaveNF2G]

A 25 year Amateur license makes sense for those applicants 50 years of age or younger. At 50 years or older, a 10 year license makes sense and will help clear out those gone SK or who no longer have an interest in the hobby.

Sensible on the surface, but too complicated administratively. Complexity=cost.

 

[Ensnared]

I'd like to see the requirement that Uniden scanners have to skip over encrypted transmissions eliminated.

Yes, that was the 1st thing I thought. If this affects federal grants for new trunked systems, that is a good thing. Let's see where this train goes.

 

[gmclam]

I was kind of hoping for more technical things than politics in this thread... but so far I've gotten (radio wise)... allow encryption everywhere, don't allow encryption almost anywhere, ATSC-3 will be the death of OTA TV, there is too much RF noise... and the FCC has always had the requirement to look at and remove unnecessary rules, the (well one of) the problems is they don't seem to have been doing that. The laws that say to do it seem ineffective.

The purpose of the proposal is rule-based, not technical per se. Unblocking the old analog cellular, while a technical task; is in reality just changing the rule (political or otherwise).

Gotta think back to the communications act of 1934. It was decades until that was updated. Oh all the advancements. Now we're decades out again since the later meaningful update. The "mom & pop" broadcasters are largely gone as anything in a reasonable sized market has been gobbled up by one of the few mega-opolies. Those same entities would like nothing more than the present limits to be lifted so they can gobble up what's left.

Sure Radio & TV broadcasting is not what it used to be. And cable(TV) has virtually killed itself. But the same companies are just playing the same game again (v2.0) as streaming. Milk, milk, milk the consumer. In many cases only limited by rules from such places as the FCC. Now instead of a single signal that reaches many, we have a world where everyone has their own virtual private RF signal (to their phone). I can only guess as to what the bean-counters would like to do to maximize that profit.

 

[GlobalNorth]

Sensible on the surface, but too complicated administratively. Complexity=cost.

It consists of a couple of lines of code at most and a DOB at time of initial application. I know of a very frugal State that does this with driver's licenses.

The idea of a costless government is fallacy.

 

[GlobalNorth]

I was kind of hoping for more technical things than politics in this thread... but so far I've gotten (radio wise)... allow encryption everywhere, don't allow encryption almost anywhere, ATSC-3 will be the death of OTA TV, there is too much RF noise... and the FCC has always had the requirement to look at and remove unnecessary rules, the (well one of) the problems is they don't seem to have been doing that. The laws that say to do it seem ineffective.

Anything else was missed in the non-radio nonsense. Focus guys, focus, this could be an opportunity, take advantage of it, before the bureaucrats get a rigged system again. (Don't get me wrong, I love a well run bureaucracy for many things, what has been happening for many years hasn't been that).

The majority here are end-users, not policy wonks. Again, as non-professional users of RF, our desires are going to be supplanted by the telecom industries, APCO, Enterprise Wireless Alliance, MRFAC, government, and major corporations. No one will give us an equal voice at the table when we do little more than 'play at radio'.

The FCC has had nearly a century long way of conducting business and working relationships. While Telco ITMS phones have given way to 5G carriers, there is a way the FCC wants business done and a new Administration is not going to overturn it.

 

[celestis]

Maybe allow single frequency repeaters on the one-way only Part 22 channels?

maybe then they'd actually get bought at auction then

 

[RFI-EMI-GUY]

I'm always hoping we can go to LIFETIME ham licenses.
I think I heard that some countries do this.

What's the point of renewing a license anyway?
Well, revenue collection, of course.

The advantage to requiring license renewals is that it demonstrates to the commission that there is a growing and continuing demand for that licensed service.

 

[wd8chl]

Why get so complicated? The FCC should NOT be involved in anything the is NOT RF related. So pull EVERYTHING that has to do with telephone, hardwired internet, and whatever other stupid stuff they have in there. Let the industry sort that stuff out and utilize existing or new non-profit standards groups to set the standards for such things.
As to RF, again, regulate the RF part to keep everything/everybody in line with each other and the rest of the world. That's about it. Content only to the extent of keeping TV on TV segments, FM and AM broadcast on those segments, public safety on those segments, amateur radio on those segments, celluar, wi-fi, etc, etc.
That's it. Simplify it down to what it needs to keep things in order in the RF world and inline with ourselves and everyone else. Keep interference protections. Etc, Etc...

 

[wd8chl]

Remember the companies that were selling lit-up cell phone antennas? They were using a demo stand at shows that generated RF in the 800 MHz segment to light them up. They were interfering with PS radios at those shows big time! Yeah, that's a legit purpose for the FCC-shut down interference like that.

 

[MTS2000des]

The problem is allowing an industry to police itself doesn't work. Zero adult supervision is what invites waste, fraud and abuse. All the gaslighting, smoke and mirrors about "non profits setting standards is laughable". Without actual authority driven by those who don't have dogs in the fight, nothing ever gets done.

Let's see, private industry with little to no oversight has gifted us with:

DTV conversion (complete WAFWOT and waste of public money on "converter boxes" that barely worked)
Rebanding 800MHz (been there, done that. How many years and how many billions spent?)
Infiltration of part 15 devices with no RF emission standards, CCRs on unauthorized emissions/frequencies/power levels, et al
Ever increasing spam. fraud and scam texts, teleturd calls
Rising prices on broadband, poor broadband development and rollout of infrastructure nationwide
Raising prices on mobile service, zero standards for coverage, network availability and restoration, nor any standard for truthful information on cyber attacks, outages etc.

Yeah, let the big boys of telecom run the show. It's been working out SO WELL for us as consumers since the TELESCAM ACT of 1996 was put into practice. 30 years later we have this:

 

[AK9R]

The FCC should NOT be involved in anything the is NOT RF related. So pull EVERYTHING that has to do with telephone, hardwired internet, and whatever other stupid stuff they have in there.

That would have to start with Congress. The Communications Act of 1934, passed by Congress and signed into law by President Roosevelt, specifically tasks the FCC with regulating all forms of communications by telephone, telegraph, or radio.

 

[celestis]

That would have to start with Congress. The Communications Act of 1934, passed by Congress and signed into law by President Roosevelt, specifically tasks the FCC with regulating all forms of communications by telephone, telegraph, or radio.

And all the dingdongs in the comments still whining about the $35 application fee… they can’t just delete that rule either