In re: Delete, Delete, Delete FCC looks to eliminate rules and regulations

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I have several devices (spectrum analyzer, service monitor, specialized receivers, etc) that will cover that spectrum. It's wideband digital emissions used for LTE. Your scanner will only hear a loud buzzing and will not decode anything. Even if it did decode something, LTE is encrypted.

So, it won't do you any good to have access to that spectrum, just like it makes zero sense to specifically block it out since nothing consumer will decode any of it.

If you really want to listen to loud buzzing, buy an old electric shaver and let it run nonstop.
Honestly, I don't think even if it was still analog and not encrypted, based on what I hear in public, and the comments on various web sites, does anyone really think any cell call is worth monitoring?
 

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Honestly, I don't think even if it was still analog and not encrypted, based on what I hear in public, and the comments on various web sites, does anyone really think any cell call is worth monitoring?
The cellular block came into existence because a politician was embarassed by political operatives. The situation is much worse today.
 

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The cellular block came into existence because a politician was embarassed by political operatives. The situation is much worse today.
The ECPA was misguided legislation and nearly impossible to enforce. It was mostly due to lobbying by the cellular industry (with assistance from the embarrassed pol you mentioned), who wanted to sell the public the notion that analog cell calls were just as secure as landlines. The burden was put on radio equipment manufacturers and the public, who was banned from listening to these restricted ranges. The onus should have been on the cellular industry to better to protect their systems, which of course they eventually did through a gradual switchover to secure digital/encrypted systems starting in the early 1990's.
 

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The FCC has opened a new docket, titled “In re: Delete, Delete, Delete,” in which the agency seeks comment on every rule, regulation, or guidance document that the FCC should eliminate for the purposes of alleviating unnecessary regulatory burdens. What FCC regulation/rule do you want thrown out?

A copy of the FCC Public Notice opening up the new docket and seeking comment can be found here:

Digital on MURS channels 1 thru 3 would be nice. DMR would afford six logical channels.
(I know this is not actually a "deletion" but a modification. Or maybe a "deletion" of a restriction. :unsure:)
 

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Eliminate the requirement of having to have a license on GMRS since so many don't do that to begin with.
 

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Eliminate the requirement of having to have a license on GMRS since so many don't do that to begin with.
Considering the max output power (50w) allowed on GMRS and the use of repeaters, that would be a mistake, IMHO. Yes, the FCC eliminated individual licensing in favor of license by rule on 11m CB because they were overwhelmed and had lost control of the band. That is not the case on GMRS.

A GMRS license only requires an application and a fee ($35?) It's easy enough to obtain and the license requirement should remain.
 

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Eliminate the requirement of having to have a license on GMRS since so many don't do that to begin with.

This was proposed by the FCC about 10 or so years ago. It was thoroughly beat down by GMRS users that commented strongly against it.

The plan from the FCC was to make it 'license by rule' and eliminate repeaters as well as drop maximum power to 2 or 5 watts (I don't recall which one).

In other words, legit GMRS users said: "LOL, No".
 

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This was proposed by the FCC about 10 or so years ago. It was thoroughly beat down by GMRS users that commented strongly against it.

The plan from the FCC was to make it 'license by rule' and eliminate repeaters as well as drop maximum power to 2 or 5 watts (I don't recall which one).

In other words, legit GMRS users said: "LOL, No".
Isn't that pretty much how lots of hams reacted to an easing of getting a license ( by dropping the code requirement ). The people already in the "club" objected.:)
 

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Isn't that pretty much how lots of hams reacted to an easing of getting a license ( by dropping the code requirement ). The people already in the "club" objected.:)

Yup, but they spoke up loud enough through the correct process that the FCC took notice and obliged. I doubt those same people would remain silent if this came up again.
 

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Yup, but they spoke up loud enough through the correct process that the FCC took notice and obliged. I doubt those same people would remain silent if this came up again.
Given the option between keeping the license requirement or losing most functionality of the service, I consider licensing to be by far the lesser evil.
 

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Given the option between keeping the license requirement or losing most functionality of the service, I consider licensing to be by far the lesser evil.

Yeah, losing the power and repeaters would make it useless for a lot of people. I think now with the popularity of the Midland mobiles as well as so many running higher power CCR's, there'd be even more pushback.
 

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MURS is like CB - not very high up on the FCC's priority list.
I believe it sadly ranks higher than ham radio. The last time for public comments much like this recent chance did yield changes for CB and other personal radio services. Ham radio had nothing happen.
 

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I believe it sadly ranks higher than ham radio. The last time for public comments much like this recent chance did yield changes for CB and other personal radio services. Ham radio had nothing happen.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it?
 

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I have been a radio technician since my teenage years and I'm 69 years old. I fully support the concept of licensing. I am also a ham and a gmrs license holder. We have to have standards in order keep up quality and integrity throughout.

Where I live in southern california, we have an excellent gmrs club that now both well over 300 members. We now have coverage throughout the entire region extending to the Nevada border.

In my view, gmrs is far superior to regular ham. Why? Our local clubs are very highly organized, we encourage professionalism, we get together on monthly basis, and over time we get to know each other. We really have a community that works to help each other, educate etc.

We are really better off in case of emergency with our earthquakes and fires with gmrs then with 2 m. Most of our club members are retired cops, fireman, highway patrol, and medical professionals. We have quite a few radio technicians too. We currently are running five repeaters and looking forward to add more every few months
All of the same can be said for some ham clubs around the country.
 

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In my view, gmrs is far superior to regular ham. Why? Our local clubs are very highly organized, we encourage profesnalism, we get together on monthly basis, and over time we get to know each other. We really have a community that works to help each other, educate etc.
As said above, there are amateur radio clubs that fit this description, and not every GMRS club or repeater group is as professional and organized as yours. Here in the NYC metro area, there is a GMRS repeater with wide-area coverage that is essentially unusable due to jammers and other antics that mirror the worst of the worst behavior on 11 meter CB.

GMRS and amateur radio each have their place and purpose. I agree with you about maintaining licensing requirements for GMRS.
 

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And the winner of ‘Delete, Delete, Delete’ is Telegraph, Rabbit-Ear Receiver, Phone Booth, and Other Obsolete Regulations
 

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