BCD325P2/BCD996P2: BCD325P2 Tier 3 Capacity Max Support

[dachs494]

I may have forgotten to ask this, but do you have Talkgroups programmed, or is the system in ID Search mode? I think I remember you mentioning it's in ID Search mode because you do not know what TGs are active in your area.

It seems like the 325P2 is failing to trunk track properly, as you mentioned. @JoeBearcat or someone at uniden would have to look into this further.

That's correct. I have just a couple talkgroups programmed, but the scanner is set to ID Search.

 

[buddrousa]

That is why it is showing T3 on the display and the LNC's match the other sites in the system.

 

[62Truck]

Isn't there known issue with the 996P2/325P2 not working correctly with some TIII systems?

 

[seagravebuff60]

Isn't there known issue with the 996P2/325P2 not working correctly with some TIII systems?

I believe so, based on posts in this thread. Its prob been a bug for some time that went unnoticed by Uniden, but im not surprised

 

[lamarrsy]

On my BCD325P2 I’ve programmed each frequency of the 2 DMR Tier-III sites that are “local” for me, as individual “sites” in a Mototrbo System I’ve created.
One site has 2 freqs and the other has 3 freqs, so I have 5 “sites” in this System.
No problems tracking a dozen or so TG with this approach for a Tier-III dmr system on my ‘325P2.

 

[cg]

It very likely depends on the system and the issues might be with the brand of components or perhaps options used.
I have Tier III systems that the 325P2/996P2 work on and others that do not work.

I have seen something interesting on a new system near me. With the P2 series of scanners, Uniden kept the Control Channel Only option for searching (removed from SDS scanners). If I use the Control Channel Only on this System/Site that DSDPlus has as TIIIStd, L1-1.2, the Uniden 996P2 shows TIII Site 0001. However, if I go to System/Site L1-1.1, the Uniden shows that is sees a control channel with the lines but does not show any Site info. I suspect because it is confused by it trying to show Site 0000 which is not a legit site number.

If I duplicate this with a TIII CAP MAX site, DSDPlus is H3-104 where Uniden shows NET 03 S0104. The Uniden follows this system properly

 

[JoeBearcat]

Yes, all the voice traffic comes through perfectly in DSDPlus. I have a very good signal there, and my BCD325P2 displays full bars. Just using a real generic telescopic antenna that came with the SDR, and I have used both an old Radioshack antenna and Remtronix 800B for the Uniden. I can see "DT3" in the bottom right corner when holding on a talkgroup, so I'm positive it's not a reception issue.

@JoeBearcat , hopefully, this can be looked into and resolved in a firmware update in the future if this really is an issue with the BCD325P2 itself, which I'm reasonably sure it is after some research.

Is only the 325 and 996 involved?

 

[JoeBearcat]

If I duplicate this with a TIII CAP MAX site, DSDPlus is H3-104 where Uniden shows NET 03 S0104. The Uniden follows this system properly

Can you clarify that? Is this a workaround or are we talking about two different system types?

 

[dachs494]

Is only the 325 and 996 involved?

Thanks for the response. I don't know that for sure, as I own only a BCD325P2, but I've only ever seen this issue reported with the BCD325P2 and BCD996P2 on the Radio Reference forums. Multiple users reported that the Capacity Max systems track fine on their SDS100 and BCD436HP, while the 325P2 is very inconsistent or does not track at all (and in my case it does not track at all).

 

[pro92b]

There is a Hytera Tier 3 system here that the BCD325P2 reportedly will not track. My BCD536HP does track this system so a comparison of the two firmwares should highlight the critical difference causing the 325 to not track.

On a different topic, the 536 may have a problem with single channel DMR. See BCD436HP/BCD536HP: - BCD536HP Single Channel DMR Ignoring Slot Assignment

 

[JoeBearcat]

I will be passing both of those along.

 

[cg]

Can you clarify that? Is this a workaround or are we talking about two different system types?

two different systems. I was pointing out that all TIII systems cannot be treated the same.

Also, happy to send off dump files from any of the scanners that will do it. I have 996P2. 325P2, and SDS200 (if that does it). PM for contact info if you would like.

 

[pro92b]

Here is a procedure for generating a log file but it is only for scanners with SD cards.

Nothing received until analyze mode entered & exited?

I'd bet it's just a low signal strength issue. Maybe analyze just sits on the CC longer. I left one of these all day today, just to see if with enough time sitting and spinning if it would do anything, and it still didn't pick up the A through D entries until I got home and entered analyze...

forums.radioreference.com

 

[JoeBearcat]

This will be addressed in the next firmware update.

 

[JoeBearcat]

BCD996P2/BCD325P2 firmware release tomorrow

There is expected to be a BCD996P2/BCD325P2 firmware release tomorrow that should address DMR Tier III issues. (v1.11.04)

forums.radioreference.com

 

[dachs494]

BCD996P2/BCD325P2 firmware release tomorrow

There is expected to be a BCD996P2/BCD325P2 firmware release tomorrow that should address DMR Tier III issues. (v1.11.04)

forums.radioreference.com

Thank you, JoeBearcat and the rest of the Uniden team!

 

[JoeBearcat]

Thank you, JoeBearcat and the rest of the Uniden team!

You're welcome and it should be there now.

 

[dachs494]

Looks like that firmware update did the trick. The 325P2 is now tracking this Capacity Max system perfectly.

 

[tvengr]

You're welcome and it should be there now.

Many thanks Joe! Just updated my 325P2 and 996P2.

 

[cg]

The Hytera TIII systems in my area do not trunktrack even with the new update. Using 996P2 and 325P2 with updated firmware. Using the CC Dump, I can pick out the talkgroups and radios but the radio shows nothing (except what may be an incorrect System ID and Site ID)

07/31/24 14:29:17,DMR,99002900D6B00F000000,DT3,NET-000C SIT-0003
07/31/24 14:29:17,DMR,02B00FAB,DT3,NET-000C SIT-0003
07/31/24 14:29:17,DMR,99002900D6B00F000000,DT3,NET-000C SIT-0003
07/31/24 14:29:17,DMR,3100FFF46619C9667855,UN <-----6619C9/667855 this is TGID & RID of active call
07/31/24 14:29:17,DMR,02B00FAC,DT3,NET-000C SIT-0003
07/31/24 14:29:17,DMR,BE682100BC426EFFFECA,PN
07/31/24 14:29:17,DMR,99002904D6B00D140008,PN
07/31/24 14:29:17,DMR,02B00FAD,DT3,NET-000C SIT-0003
07/31/24 14:29:17,DMR,BE68210098487BFFFECA,UN

Different system that works
07/31/24 14:11:57,DMR,B1004A4C0186A1000079,DT3,CGN TG-186A1 CH-4A4 S-2 VC-04648375 UID-000079,CC-7

If this is broken down on the working system and compared to the non working system...
07/31/24 14:11:57,DMR,B100 unk/4A4 channel/ C0 unk/186A1 TGID/000079 RID
07/31/24 14:29:17,DMR,3100 /FFF/46/619C96 TGID/67855 RID/,UN voice channels on this site should be 111 thru 229

Hytera system shows as Sys ID 000C, Site 0003 on Uniden CC Dump & screen. DSDPlus shows it as TIII Std, Sys ID 13, Site 1.4

chris