CFD Apparatus status discussion (Non-Radio Information)

[ENGINE_4]

Only three Engines were purchased in 2008: E4908, E5008 and E5108.
E5108 was decommissioned and I believe sold off. E5008 has been running as Engine 49 for almost a month. It seems like CFD is okay on spare Engines at the moment. Maybe they're just trying to run up the km's and hours on the 08's before they're decommissioned and sold off.

CFD has 4 2007, 1 08 and 1 2011 Rescues as spares. Hopefully the Highrise and other Rescues are back in service soon.

As mentioned previously, CFD wants to add two Engine companies (like they had during the pandemic) for training on the "day shift". They would run for 12 hours and cover for other Engines when those crews are out training and such. Problem is no one wants to go out of their rotation and onto a day shift rotation to staff them, but I'm sure it will happen in the coming months

 

[Calgary_Fire_Filmer]

Only three Engines were purchased in 2008: E4908, E5008 and E5108.
E5108 was decommissioned and I believe sold off. E5008 has been running as Engine 49 for almost a month. It seems like CFD is okay on spare Engines at the moment. Maybe they're just trying to run up the km's and hours on the 08's before they're decommissioned and sold off.

CFD has 4 2007, 1 08 and 1 2011 Rescues as spares. Hopefully the Highrise and other Rescues are back in service soon.

As mentioned previously, CFD wants to add two Engine companies (like they had during the pandemic) for training on the "day shift". They would run for 12 hours and cover for other Engines when those crews are out training and such. Problem is no one wants to go out of their rotation and onto a day shift rotation to staff them, but I'm sure it will happen in the coming months

When I was at the shops a while back, a couple 2008 Engines (already with CFD logos removed) were back in the shops and being re-outfitted. Thanks for info on those years though, had no idea until now!

Also, yes the daytime or peak Engines are expected to return before June 2024. Although crew details are still being worked out, they are most likely going to be two 12 hour shifts followed by two 14 hour shifts, and then 4 days off. From what I've heard, the crews staffing such trucks will be E (Echo) Platoon, and run out of Station 40 and 41, however they will be bounced all over the city. Supposedly, they will be Engine 340 and 341, as the 100s level and 200s level are reserved for Rural County FDs.

Does anyone know who runs the wiki. They changed all the stations into numerical order, when it should be primary, secondary, auxiliary.

 

[ENGINE_4]

I don't think echo platoon is going to be very popular

CFD doesn't want to go to number Engines in the 90's series like Engine 91, 92, 93?

The wiki page can be a bit of an upset at times for sure! Anyone can edit it but I don't think anyone "owns" it or is a branded administrator, but there are a very select few members who act like it and change things when they feel like they want to change it. There are a few written rules about being kind and editing in good faith and such, but there is no template on how a page should look and most pages are laid out differently. It has evolved over the years into what it is now and it has gotten better, but I agree with Calgary_Fire_Filmer about the edits

I don't know what it would look like challenging these other editors, but like other edit squabbles in the past - it'll blow over

 

[ENGINE_4]

Lastnight’s 2nd alarm fire in Kensington. (Really a 3rd alarm, command special called 3 extra Engines in)

I got there about 25-30 minutes after the initial call. It was a very labour intensive fire, seems like most if not all fire was contained to the roof area. Firefighters had to cut multiple areas of the roof open to access the fire. 3 44mm ( 1.75”) hand lines were stretched, Ladder 6’s pipe was also in operation a couple of times

Units on scene:
Engines: 6,49,2,22,48,5,46 (Yes E.22 I don’t know why they were in the area)
Ladders: 6,1
TR10, HAZ17, HR2, FRP7
DC’s: 3,2,1
I2

 

[Calgary_Fire_Filmer]

Lastnight’s 2nd alarm fire in Kensington. (Really a 3rd alarm, command special called 3 extra Engines in)

I got there about 25-30 minutes after the initial call. It was a very labour intensive fire, seems like most if not all fire was contained to the roof area. Firefighters had to cut multiple areas of the roof open to access the fire. 3 44mm ( 1.75”) hand lines were stretched, Ladder 6’s pipe was also in operation a couple of times

Units on scene:
Engines: 6,49,2,22,48,5,46 (Yes E.22 I don’t know why they were in the area)
Ladders: 6,1
TR10, HAZ17, HR2, FRP7
DC’s: 3,2,1
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awesome shots! Crazy seeing 22 there, musta been attached while squading lol.

 

[Calgary_Fire_Filmer]

Also 19TW is still a 2011 Ladder. They were at a little residential fire yesterday

 

[dhoustonAB]

When I was at the shops a while back, a couple 2008 Engines (already with CFD logos removed) were back in the shops and being re-outfitted. Thanks for info on those years though, had no idea until now!

Also, yes the daytime or peak Engines are expected to return before June 2024. Although crew details are still being worked out, they are most likely going to be two 12 hour shifts followed by two 14 hour shifts, and then 4 days off. From what I've heard, the crews staffing such trucks will be E (Echo) Platoon, and run out of Station 40 and 41, however they will be bounced all over the city. Supposedly, they will be Engine 340 and 341, as the 100s level and 200s level are reserved for Rural County FDs.

Does anyone know who runs the wiki. They changed all the stations into numerical order, when it should be primary, secondary, auxiliary.

Could the Coverage/Daytime/Peak Engines be called Squad 40 and Squad 41, like the second pumper at stations before the 46-50 series was started?

Quick look through the wiki and I see that E3404 was Squad 12 and then became Engine 46. If I have the right info, the Squads were like the current Engines 46, 48, 49, 50, 60 except they would never run in their Station's district, unless that Station's Engine required coverage.

 

[Calgary_Fire_Filmer]

Could the Coverage/Daytime/Peak Engines be called Squad 40 and Squad 41, like the second pumper at stations before the 46-50 series was started? Quick look through the wiki and I see that E3404 was Squad 12 and then became Engine 46. If I have the right info, the Squads were like the current Engines 46, 48, 49, 50, 60 except they would never run in their Station's district, unless that Station's Engine required coverage.

Bingo. Squads were the CFD's way to have dual engines. I think like Pump 1 Squad 1. And then city council saw them as “squads” and deemed them an unnecessary additional apparatus. So, CFD had to make them all Engines so the council saw them as important frontline units.

Personally, I would love to see them switch back to Squads for every secondary Engine. Solves the rising station number problem, and also allows CFD to bring back the “squading” assignments

 

[ENGINE_4]

Tower 19 should be back in service with its normal truck again, Tender 21 is running E4402

 

[255-Jacobs]

Photos of E4402 aka the Sterling because, why not? Anyone know the story behind this behemoth? Was it a failed experiment where the CFD were testing Pumper tankers?
I heard that this truck served as Engine 6 when Station 37 was still numbered Station 6 in the early 2000's.

Another thing I want to ask.
Why doesn't CFD just number these new day shift engines, Engine 61 and Engine 62? Or Engine 51 and Engine 52? We have the numbering. Seems a little odd to call them Engines 340 and 341, but whatever floats CFD's boat.

P.S Any word on any potential rig shifts occuring this year?

 

[ENGINE_4]

Photos of E4402 aka the Sterling because, why not? Anyone know the story behind this behemoth? Was it a failed experiment where the CFD were testing Pumper tankers?
I heard that this truck served as Engine 6 when Station 37 was still numbered Station 6 in the early 2000's.

Another thing I want to ask.
Why doesn't CFD just number these new day shift engines, Engine 61 and Engine 62? Or Engine 51 and Engine 52? We have the numbering. Seems a little odd to call them Engines 340 and 341, but whatever floats CFD's boat.

P.S Any word on any potential rig shifts occuring this year?

I love CFD for trying out different things in the early 2000's/2010's; They tried using small Ford F550's as Rescues, E4402 as a Pumper tanker, TR1700 as a smaller CAFS pumper/front line pumper truck, Quints as front lines Engines and so on.

Station 37 used to be Station 6, this is where that truck was Stationed and it was needed! 37's district has exploded in the last few years in terms of more houses/communities, roads/highways and MORE HYDRANTS so the extra water and weight and such isn't needed. But in the early 2000's when the temp station was built and the district had less hydrants and roads it made sense to have and it was needed, I mean this truck holds 1200 Gallons of water, that's almost 3 times the amount of water a regular Engine has. 26 was and still is their nearest back up and for any mutual aid Foothills fire stations were further away and Tsuu T'ina Nation did not have it's own fire station (CFD was providing first due fire response out side of the city still at this time) So it worked.

The truck itself though I think was an experiment? Either CFD was trying out Fort Garry fire trucks/Commercial chassis to see if they would switch the fleet over to make things cheaper and keep the money local or CFD needed a pumper/tanker soonish and settled on that one.

Either way I haven't heard anything good or bad about the truck. I assume CFD doesn't overly love it.. it's only served as Engine 6/37, a reserve Tender and a training Engine. It is an 02, I can see it being sold off when the new Tenders come online

As for an apparatus shuffle..... it seems about time 32-40 more ff's are coming on line in the next few weeks, 5ff Engine companies are happening, Rescues/Ladders are and will be more fully staffed and 2 "training" Engines are coming on line soonish

 

[255-Jacobs]

Early 2000's was a time for CFD. Light Rescues, Rapid Response 3, the Sterling, Q0908, Q1008, Q1108, Q1204, being used as frontline Engine Companies. Bush buggies doubling as boat tows, the 3 squads (SQ10, SQ12, SQ16), ladders being used as SSV's, it was a whirlwind time!

Your right about a shuffle being due. I can think of some moves that are needed. Are these 2 "training" engines you mentioned the new E340 and E341?

 

[ENGINE_4]

E340/41 or whatever they will end up being. Maybe they'll make the other extra Engines switch over to 300 series numbers too. It's whatever the Chief/ Deputy Chiefs decide to do. Regardless though, those 2 Engines coming on line for 10-14 hours a day will have a good impact on operations and fire responses during the day/week.

 

[255-Jacobs]

I agree that the new engines will be pretty good for CFD but, I still find it odd that the engines will be placed into the 300 series instead of placing them in the 50-90 series. That's just me.

 

[ENGINE_4]

That could change though - it's all politics.
Once the two daytime Engines come online, CFD Spare Engine fleet will be reduced to 15 to 17 Engines, depending on what's at the training grounds. Usuallytwo or three Engines are at the grounds (E5916 is at the training grounds)
The training fleet seems to change a lot.. So say 14-16 Spare Engines in the fleet for soon to be 51 Engines in front line service still seems decent.

Comparing other departments like Edmonton, they have 13 Spare Engines (not including Tankers) for 32 Engines
The "E" Shift is going to be interesting. Will it run seven days a week or just four?

 

[255-Jacobs]

Something to add about the new E shift. Will these shifts be combined with other platoons? Say one day it's A shift and E shift and the other day it's C shift and E shift. This new addition will certainly shake up a few things.

Last time I was at the academy (August) the training rigs there were, E5916 as mentioned, R1107 (I think), Q1204, and 2 2010 engines. Plus L1023 but that was before it came online as Ladder 1. So in total, 3 engines, a rescue, and a tower. I don't know if that line up has changed or not.

 

[ENGINE_4]

Each day is a different platoon A-D, that would not change. E Platoon sounds like it will just be a days only kind of shift like Monday to Friday kind of thing. The union is pretty involved with how it will all play out, doesn't sound like there would be too many ff's on E platoon but they would for sure be getting there normal working amount of hours and such

 

[Calgary_Fire_Filmer]

I love CFD for trying out different things in the early 2000's/2010's; They tried using small Ford F550's as Rescues, E4402 as a Pumper tanker, TR1700 as a smaller CAFS pumper/front line pumper truck, Quints as front lines Engines and so on.

Station 37 used to be Station 6, this is where that truck was Stationed and it was needed! 37's district has exploded in the last few years in terms of more houses/communities, roads/highways and MORE HYDRANTS so the extra water and weight and such isn't needed. But in the early 2000's when the temp station was built and the district had less hydrants and roads it made sense to have and it was needed, I mean this truck holds 1200 Gallons of water, that's almost 3 times the amount of water a regular Engine has. 26 was and still is their nearest back up and for any mutual aid Foothills fire stations were further away and Tsuu T'ina Nation did not have it's own fire station (CFD was providing first due fire response out side of the city still at this time) So it worked.

The truck itself though I think was an experiment? Either CFD was trying out Fort Garry fire trucks/Commercial chassis to see if they would switch the fleet over to make things cheaper and keep the money local or CFD needed a pumper/tanker soonish and settled on that one.

Either way I haven't heard anything good or bad about the truck. I assume CFD doesn't overly love it.. it's only served as Engine 6/37, a reserve Tender and a training Engine. It is an 02, I can see it being sold off when the new Tenders come online

As for an apparatus shuffle..... it seems about time 32-40 more ff's are coming on line in the next few weeks, 5ff Engine companies are happening, Rescues/Ladders are and will be more fully staffed and 2 "training" Engines are coming on line soonish

Back to the 02' Sterling, I've actually heard a bunch of positive comments about it. A fleet guy said it's one of the most comfortable trucks to drive, and was great going on those mutual aid forest fire calls during the summer months.

Apparently, it was also a great truck to have as Engine 6 (37) because of what you mentioned in terms of hydrants and population+district. CFD also wanted a unit that could eventually be turned into a Tender if they needed it, because at that time I think they still had lime green tenders running frontline, and then the 2000 Volvo. (Interesting how 22 years later and we still have the same tenders)

That's my understanding anyways.

 

[255-Jacobs]

Evening y'all. I was reading some old posts on this thread came up and peaked my interest. Rat Rail 16. What exactly is it? What does it do? Does Panel 16 tow it? Any photos of it? Looking for some insight, thanks!

 

[Ghostpolice24]

Rat Rail 16 is literally just a little lime green old rail cart on a trailer that served as a rig to use in the train tunnels, primarily C-Train tunnels I imagine. However, it's not been used in years and sits in the back in case of emergencies. I know with the Greenline LRT, it might come in handy at some point possibly, but for now it's useless. [Correct me if I'm wrong please someone, but this is what I've heard]

It used to be towed by the Parkade when they were at 11 together and 1 and 16, but now I think the Panel would tow it I imagine given Parkade's by itself at 2.