CFD Apparatus status discussion (Non-Radio Information)

[255-Jacobs]

AHS taking the 4th bay instead of using their station on the other side of the bridge defeats the purpose, but whatever floats your boat, I guess. We will see another DC change next year when DC4 moves from 40 to 21. 21 is gonna be packed with 21E, 21TE, 21BT, 21B and DC4.

 

[Calgary_Fire_Filmer]

Sorry I meant AHS runs bay for at 32. 4 doesn’t have any EMS

AHS taking the 4th bay instead of using their station on the other side of the bridge defeats the purpose, but whatever floats your boat, I guess. We will see another DC change next year when DC4 moves from 40 to 21. 21 is gonna be packed with 21E, 21TE, 21BT, 21B and DC4.

 

[Calgary_Fire_Filmer]

 

[Calgary_Fire_Filmer]

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Obviously not totally accurate, but here’s the list of DC halls

 

[255-Jacobs]

Wow that really helps things a lot. Thanks for the list CFF! I'm guessing DC1 will also be overseeing 45? Or will DC5 do that?

 

[Calgary_Fire_Filmer]

Welp, guess it didn’t take the new year before moving haha

 

[255-Jacobs]

Awesome photo. 40 is now a single engine hall. Looks like some changes to the wiki are in order.

 

[ENGINE_4]

Engine 19 was involved in a crash while clearing an MVC and heading to the Maplemont fire this afternoon, sounded like a minor MVC

 

[255-Jacobs]

Yikes. Hopefully they won't be out for too long like 18.

 

[255-Jacobs]

E4217 is back as Engine 18 as of Friday Dec 8.

 

[ENGINE_4]

According to the CFD wiki page, A0105 and the baby Bronto's have been sold at auction. The Training Tower Q1204 has been put in the "retired" section as well, which should still be at the training grounds. CFD is down to 4 spare Ladders again.

I can confirm that Q1204 and A0105 have been sold at the Michener Allen auction on December 9th. A0105 was sold for only $7,500, but it was inoperable so it would have had to been towed. CFD is down to 4 spare Ladders. Once again any Ladder used at the training grounds will come from the spare pool or front line

 

[255-Jacobs]

A shame they got sold off instead of being thrown into the spare pool. Than again both trucks are probably one blown gasket away from a visit to the Spartan refurb facility.

 

[255-Jacobs]

Pierce MFG has made a press release about the Tenders CFD has ordered. Just like the aerials, tenders will be provided in an unlimited amount for the next 10 years under a contract. The first 2 tenders ordered are gonna be tandem axle enforcer chassis tenders. So in orders pumper tankers like I mentioned back in the summer. I think it's safe to say CFDs new apparatus manufacturer of choice is Pierce MFG.

Here are the specs:

• Two-door cab with fully sealed enclosed transverse cab compartment
• Dry-side tanker body
• Dual hydraulic tank racks w/4000-gallon portable tanks
• Cummins X12 500 hp engine
• Waterous CSPA 750-gallon PTO-driven midship pump
• 3450-gallon water tank
• TAK-4® Independent Front Suspension
• Cold-climate package

So the Tenders will still crew 2 only firefighters and their gonna hold a crap ton of water. It's pretty obvious that these 2 will be heading to 21 and 25 when the arrive in the city which will probably be mid 2024 (That was the same deal with the aerials)

 

[ENGINE_4]

Here is the link: Pierce Dealer Commercial Emergency Equipment Co. Secures Second 10-Year Contract with Calgary Fire Department for Custom Fire Tenders

A very interesting read! With a 2-door cab maybe we’ll see them cross staffed with Ladders. I hope CFD doesn’t run them front line. I mean 4,000 gallons of water showing up to a medical call or car accident isn’t great 😅 Maybe a MRU could cross staff one or something in say, 26 station.

Pretty interesting that the Tenders will hold “large amounts” of wildland equipment and I think it’s great! With weather patterns changing and more grass/wildland fires the tools and hose will be needed. Tender 21 currently holds a good supply of wildland equipment too

With 4 Tenders on the Order and with each truck holding 2 drop tanks it makes me wonder if CFD is trying to get a water tender accreditation for insurance purposes or if Rockyview and possibly Foothills fire are saying no to having their Tenders respond on to city property or maybe it’s too expensive? Either way, great to see CFD step up in water hauling!

Even though it’s a 10 year contract. I don’t see CFD ordering more than the 4 already coming in, but maybe a 5th as a spare or rental or something. The 10 year contract is probably for service

 

[255-Jacobs]

I think you might be right about 10 year part. I can't see CFD needing more than 4 Tenders for a city with thousands of hydrants. Another interesting part on the specs is "dry side tanker body" I believe this means that there won't be pump controls on the side which means it might be a top mount pump or a pump within a compartment. Either way it will be interesting to see.

 

[ENGINE_4]

I had to look up the difference between wet and dry side tankers 😅
Pierce actually defines it on there website as: “A wetside tanker includes a tank that is exposed to the outside with no high side compartments, while a dryside tanker has a tank that is not exposed, with a body constructed around it for added compartment storage. An elliptical tanker is a tanker truck with an elliptical-shaped water tank. The benefit of an elliptical tanker is that it offers a lower weight vehicle with easy maneuverability.”

I can’t wait to see these trucks and get a tour of one!

 

[RP201]

It pretty clear that CFD is going for a higher insurance rating. Engines, Ladders and Tankers are what insurance underwriters care about, everything else is support equipment. They are only concerned with fire suppression. Three or four Tankers and these huge porta tanks, they will have no trouble meeting the requirements. They will drop one or two tanks based on what’s going on, dump there water and then begin shuttling water.

It’s going to be great!

 

[ENGINE_4]

I was able to make it to the working fire downtown on 11th Ave and 15th street yesterday. I arrived just after the bulk of the fire was knocked down.

Units on scene were Engines: 2,5,6,48 Ladders: 6,1 Tech Rescue 10, Highrise 2, Hazmat 17, DC’s: 2,3, FRP 7 and the BC.
Engine 48 and 25 have swapped rigs
*images had to be cropped

 

[JABoomer]

What I assume was a false alarm on 11th Ave this week. I was headed out for lunch and took these pics for my son. The Beltline has become a bit of a war zone and I see fire trucks every day. This is why I struggle with the multiple apparatus response versus the wear and tear on the fleet and crews for non-events.

 

[ENGINE_4]

Beautiful pictures! If anyone has any apparatus pics please share them!!
I can understand where you’re coming from about the crews and trucks responding to what ends up being false alarms, but a lot goes into these types of responses.
I’m not agreeing or disagreeing with you, I hear a lot of single Engine responses to alarms and such but also a ton of “Charlie/Delta” response for alarms too, which would bring out a first alarm response. It all boils down to what the caller is saying to the call taker, where/what the alarm/sensor is going off in the building, what type of building it is and so on.

Depending on what the alarm is, or type of building, it’s way better to have 12 ff’s responding and on scene then 4 ff’s. Sometimes there’s 6-8 ff’s being used on an alarms call.

But this is the system we have in Calgary, and it’s pretty similar to most cities in North America. Again, I’m not saying it’s right or wrong. It’s just what we have. There’s 270 FF’s on duty at any given time in the city, might as well use them.