Cleveland National Forest New Forest Net

[Teotwaki]

Today's update -

Adding Camp 31

320R
Black Eagles, Sequoia NF Tribal Crew/Hotshot Wildland Crew (says the Internet)
Brush 288
Camp 31
Comms 22, 26, 27, 28, 29
2Charles1 (Patrol Captain)
2Edward 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, 11, 12
Engineer 325
Field 31
2King 1 & 5 (canine units)
Lookout 03, 41, 50, 51 57, 62 (Palomar), 10, 21, 86, 87 (KCB591 Boucher Hill), 13, 22, 33, 34, 38, 39 (High Point poss KFX215)
Marauders, IA crew from Antelope Valley
Patrol 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 31, 33, 34, 41, 42
Prevention 24
Ranger 2
Rec 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 31
Trails 21, 25
2Tom 2 (LEO Trainee)
Utility 28, 36

Misc call signs: KBR476

 

[es93546]

Today's updates -

Heard a call sign KBR476 but missed the location.

I could not find that callsign in my listings for the Cleveland, nothing even close.

 

[es93546]

Today's update -

Adding Camp 31

320R
Black Eagles, Sequoia NF Tribal Crew/Hotshot Wildland Crew (says the Internet)
Brush 288
Camp 31
Comms 22, 26, 27, 28, 29
2Charles1 (Patrol Captain)
2Edward 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, 11, 12
Engineer 325
Field 31
2King 1 & 5 (canine units)
Lookout 03, 41, 50, 51 57, 62 (Palomar), 10, 21, 86, 87 (KCB591 Boucher Hill), 13, 22, 33, 34, 38, 39 (High Point poss KFX215)
Marauders, IA crew from Antelope Valley
Patrol 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 31, 33, 34, 41, 42
Prevention 24
Ranger 2
Rec 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 31
Trails 21, 25
2Tom 2 (LEO Trainee)
Utility 28, 36

Misc call signs: KBR476

I noticed that you are not listing engines or water tenders, any reason why? If you explained this back 25 pages ago I apologize for not reading the entire thread again.

 

[Teotwaki]

I noticed that you are not listing engines or water tenders, any reason why? If you explained this back 25 pages ago I apologize for not reading the entire thread again.

At this time I've been mostly collecting the call signs of people rather than assets.

 

[es93546]

At this time I've been mostly collecting the call signs of people rather than assets.

Ok, now I understand.

 

[Teotwaki]

Today's update -


Adding Lookout 48 and 64

320R
Black Eagles, Sequoia NF Tribal Crew/Hotshot Wildland Crew (says the Internet)
Brush 288
Camp 31
Comms 22, 26, 27, 28, 29
2Charles1 (Patrol Captain)
2Edward 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, 11, 12
Engineer 325
Field 31
2King 1 & 5 (canine units)
Lookout 03, 41, 50, 51 57, 62 (Palomar), 10, 21, 86, 87 (KCB591 Boucher Hill), 13, 22, 33, 34, 38, 39, 64 (High Point poss KFX215)
Marauders, IA crew from Antelope Valley
Patrol 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 31, 33, 34, 41, 42
Prevention 24
Ranger 2
Rec 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 31
Trails 21, 25
2Tom 2 (LEO Trainee)
Utility 28, 36

Misc call signs: KBR476, Lookout 48 no location given

 

[Teotwaki]

On Cleveland Forest Net there is now a single (under 1000Hz) tone after key up. Don't yet know if it is just Santiago. It can be heard on the link (406.525) too. Will measure the tone's frequency a little later. I think it commenced after the Airport fire started to spread.

 

[Mikek]

Might be an indicator that the repeater is on some type of backup power.

 

[Teotwaki]

Might be an indicator that the repeater is on some type of backup power.

Oh heck! I should have thought of that! A Quantar can do that when on battery.

 

[es93546]

Oh heck! I should have thought of that! A Quantar can do that when on battery.

It may also indicate it is on another repeater, possibly a portable one.

 

[Teotwaki]

It may also indicate it is on another repeater, possibly a portable one.

I don't think that fits this case because this is feeding audio into the mountaintop repeater link system that I hear on 406.525

 

[es93546]

I don't think that fits this case because this is feeding audio into the mountaintop repeater link system that I hear on 406.525

It could be a portable repeater with a UHF link like the NIFC System radio kits. They use these to link two or more repeaters to establish an incident wide command network. The Incident Command Post is linked into via a UHF link from camp up to the nearest mountaintop with a repeater. They are real easy to set up, all the tools. supplies, solar panels, batteries, antennas and antenna masts are in the kit.

 

[es93546]

They might be putting those large sheets of material that is similar to fire shelters on all the walls and roof as well as up the antenna mast as far as crews can reach on a ladder. They might be making the decision to shut off the regular repeater and it's UHF link while the fire resistant material is on the building. They might look at the portable VHF repeater/UHF link as the better of the two to sacrifice in case the fire carries heavily through all the repeaters on the summit of Santiago.

 

[Teotwaki]

They might be putting those large sheets of material that is similar to fire shelters on all the walls and roof as well as up the antenna mast as far as crews can reach on a ladder. They might be making the decision to shut off the regular repeater and it's UHF link while the fire resistant material is on the building. They might look at the portable VHF repeater/UHF link as the better of the two to sacrifice in case the fire carries heavily through all the repeaters on the summit of Santiago.

This building would be difficult to cover in that manner. Besides, there is only the supplemental tone when units announce they are using Tone 2 (Santiago). A portable would supposedly use tone 10 according to the 2023 smokejumpers freq guide.

 

[es93546]

This building would be difficult to cover in that manner. Besides, there is only the supplemental tone when units announce they are using Tone 2 (Santiago). A portable would supposedly use tone 10 according to the 2023 smokejumpers freq guide.
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NIFC portable repeaters can use any of the now 32 tones that are the California standard and certainly the 16 of them that are now the national standard. I get the smokejumper's guide every year and I don't remember anything about only using tone 10 in a repeater. Ok, I know what you are saying now, the Cleveland has assigned tone 10 to their portable repeaters. Those are portable repeaters that always stay on the Cleveland. However, they can use a NIFC repeater kit. The picture, indeed, shows how hard it would be to put the fire resistant sheets all over the building, but I've been surprised in my life as to what gets done. That's a lot of expensive equipment hanging up there and if you send an entire crew they could do a lot of good and it would likely be worth sending them to do it.

 

[Teotwaki]

NIFC portable repeaters can use any of the now 32 tones that are the California standard and certainly the 16 of them that are now the national standard. I get the smokejumper's guide every year and I don't remember anything about only using tone 10 in a repeater. Ok, I know what you are saying now, the Cleveland has assigned tone 10 to their portable repeaters. Those are portable repeaters that always stay on the Cleveland. However, they can use a NIFC repeater kit. The picture, indeed, shows how hard it would be to put the fire resistant sheets all over the building, but I've been surprised in my life as to what gets done. That's a lot of expensive equipment hanging up there and if you send an entire crew they could do a lot of good and it would likely be worth sending them to do it.

I would cover all of the coax cables instead of the cinderblock building. Anyhow, I think the same repeater is operating but on backup power. A bunch of other Fed agencies are up there and they are all operating off of generators rather than setting up portables. Santiago lost it's Edison 12kV line up the mountain so anybody who has backup power up there is using it.

 

[es93546]

I would cover all of the coax cables instead of the cinderblock building. Anyhow, I think the same repeater is operating but on backup power. A bunch of other Fed agencies are up there and they are all operating off of generators rather than setting up portables. Santiago lost it's Edison 12kV line up the mountain so anybody who has backup power up there is using it.

I think you are likely correct, I've never heard an audible tone on a command repeater. I was just trying to cover all possibilities. I seem to remember the SCE line to the summit being burned up at least once before. I remember SCE getting blasted for taking a long time to make the repairs.

 

[Teotwaki]

I think you are likely correct, I've never heard an audible tone on a command repeater. I was just trying to cover all possibilities. I seem to remember the SCE line to the summit being burned up at least once before. I remember SCE getting blasted for taking a long time to make the repairs.

I'd love to be correct more often but lots of folks like you and MikeK have cool info too. The SCE line runs up really difficult terrain so people can complain all they want.

 

[Teotwaki]

Today's update - Adding Mountaineer

320R
Black Eagles, Sequoia NF Tribal Crew/Hotshot Wildland Crew (says the Internet)
Brush 288
Camp 31
Comms 22, 26, 27, 28, 29
2Charles1 (Patrol Captain)
2Edward 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, 11, 12
Engineer 325
Field 31
2King 1 & 5 (canine units)
Lookout 03, 41, 50, 51 57, 62 (Palomar), 10, 21, 86, 87 (KCB591 Boucher Hill), 13, 22, 33, 34, 38, 39, 64 (High Point poss KFX215)
Marauders, IA crew from Antelope Valley
Mountaineer arriving at Alpine
Patrol 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 31, 33, 34, 41, 42
Prevention 24
Ranger 2
Rec 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 31
Trails 21, 25
2Tom 2 (LEO Trainee)
Utility 28, 36

Misc call signs: KBR476, Lookout 48 no location given

 

[AM909]

I'd love to be correct more often but lots of folks like you and MikeK have cool info too. The SCE line runs up really difficult terrain so people can complain all they want.

That weeks-long SCE failure a few months ago was not on the rough terrain, but instead caused by a TC down on the paved road at the bottom of the hill, not far from the substation, IIRC.

[Add] Looks like it was about a week, in June 2023. How time flies.

Santiago Peak power

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