Discussion: FCC Advisory on Two-Way VHF/UHF Radios

[mastr]

...The FCC is trying to appease Mother /\/\ ...It's all about a huge loss in profits for Motorola.

My guess is that the above is close to, if not the exact reason for this action. It is an attempt to help the big player(s?) regain sales revenue that is being lost to much less expensive Chinese alternatives that are (as far as the buyers are concerned) "good enough for the money".

 

[n1das]

I hope the FCC takes the time to decertify some of this junk. And the TCB s should know better and reject doing work like this.

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Agree 100%.


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[emcomm]

Chinese radios to be destroyed ?

I bought 9 more various Chinese radios in the last 48 hours--which I use for scanners. I expect Ebay and Amazon to pull them within days.

BTW, I see all you guys talking about customs... My buddy is a CBP federal agent (1811) at JFK and he knows about these and says it won't take long before these will be coming through commercial inspection and all the guys will know what they are.

I asked, "what happens to them" he says usually they are held for 90 days allowing the sender/shipper to have time to make legal recourse (if they want to), but if they don't, after 90 days they are sent for destruction.

--best

 

[mancow]

Why not? Is it because you personally don't have to deal with these things, so you don't have a feel for the problem?

What problem?

 

[emcomm]

So tons of drugs, cars, illegal animals, etc., pour into our ports every year unnoticed, but Customs i....

Chinatown in New York sells buckets of huge live turtles to eat, illegal, but no one stops them. Those Chinese got their hands around the neck of Uncle Sam when it comes to illegal radios and reptiles! Customs, they look the other way?

 

[nd5y]

I haven't read anywhere about such an influx.

There are plenty of threads right here on rr about unauthorized people wanting to use public safety frequencies.

 

[zz0468]

What problem?

Seriously? :roll:

 

[alcahuete]

There are plenty of threads right here on rr about unauthorized people wanting to use public safety frequencies.

Volunteer firefighters who can't afford a $3000 Motorola are way different than the "unlicensed Intruders" the other guy was talking about.

Would you care to point me to the threads where unlicensed see Intruders are trying to interfere with the public safety frequencies?

 

[emcomm]

Happens in NYC all the time!

 

[alcahuete]

Well, I don't know what to tell you there... Not one of the handful of such events that I've brought to the FCC over the years made any press releases. And not every one I'm aware of has been taken to the FCC.

Of course you don't know what to tell me, because it doesn't exist. There is no need for press releases. All enforcement actions are public and can be retrieved straight from the FCC. Any calls the agents go on are all pubic record. If "unlicensed intruders" are interfering with public safety frequencies, the FCC is going to be involved.

I can tell you with 100% certainty that since the introduction of CCRs, there is no influx of interference to public service frequencies. It's not happening.

 

[riccom]

This has been going on way before baofeng hit the market, or eBay, this is a way for the mother m to be get more money and double there profit.

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[bharvey2]

Why not? Is it because you personally don't have to deal with these things, so you don't have a feel for the problem?

Aren't most agencies/depts going to P25/trunked/700/800mhz radios anyway? Historically I could see a problem but it seems like that problem would be going away as the CCRs haven't made their way into radios capable of the aforementioned specs. Other than hobbiest/scanning, I don't deal with public service radio services so this is more of a question.

 

[mancow]

Seriously? :roll:

Yes, seriously.

 

[JVR]

So tons of drugs, cars, illegal animals, etc., pour into our ports every year unnoticed, but Customs is going to find and hold these batches of CCRs? Not sure what world some people are living in.

The FCC is trying to appease Mother /\/\ by making it look like they are actually doing something to stop the influx of these radios. I've said it once and I'll say it again, this has absolutely nothing to do with interference or people using these radios on the GMRS band. It's all about a huge loss in profits for Motorola.

Ive been saying this for sometime Motorola and Kenwood are behind it

 

[Chronic]

Along with icom and yaesu , thay all have lost sales .

 

[KK4JUG]

Ive been saying this for sometime Motorola and Kenwood are behind it

It doesn't matter where the impetus came from. The problem needs to be fixed.

 

[zz0468]

I am personally aware of a number of interference cases brought before the FCC that didn't generate a public record. My awareness of them comes from being the guy who talked to the FCC to report them.

I am 100% aware of cases of CCRs causing interference to public safety communication. My awareness comes from being the guy who tracked the culprits down.

I am also aware that the vast majority of these cases are cleared without formal enforcement action with a single contact explaining what the problem is. Most people say oops, and stop doing it. Those cases don't generate formal enforcement action.

Of course you don't know what to tell me, because it doesn't exist. There is no need for press releases. All enforcement actions are public and can be retrieved straight from the FCC. Any calls the agents go on are all pubic record. If "unlicensed intruders" are interfering with public safety frequencies, the FCC is going to be involved.

I can tell you with 100% certainty that since the introduction of CCRs, there is no influx of interference to public service frequencies. It's not happening.

 

[SpugEddy]

I have to agree 100% with Bharvey's comment.
Everybody is moving to P25 Phase II trunked systems
in the 700 / 800 Mhz band. The CCRs are not capable
of transmitting on these frequencies. Seems a little odd
that the FCC is finally doing something about it now that
the radios CAN'T interfere with Public Safety. Kind of like
putting a muzzle on the dog after all of his teeth have been
pulled. I also have to agree 100% with all of the comments
suggesting that "Mother /\/\" is behind this.

$159 for a small business band radio with 1 channel
$180 for the same radio with 4 channels vs.
$35 for a Baofeng Dual Band with countless TX frequencies,
front panel programming, FREE software, etc.

Not to mention that the "real" issue here is NOT the radios.
I have 5 Baofengs and i have never once, transmitted on a
public Safety frequency.

 

[mule1075]

Aren't most agencies/depts going to P25/trunked/700/800mhz radios anyway? Historically I could see a problem but it seems like that problem would be going away as the CCRs haven't made their way into radios capable of the aforementioned specs. Other than hobbiest/scanning, I don't deal with public service radio services so this is more of a question.

No some agencies are going to 150/450mhz trunking systems as well. It is not all 700/800mhz.

 

[JasonTracy]

I can tell you with 100% certainty that since the introduction of CCRs, there is no influx of interference to public service frequencies. It's not happening.

While I think that Hatzolah is overstating the impact, there is obviously a truth somewhere between their claims and your 100% certainty:
https://i.imgur.com/RpTEjH8.jpg

News article of the same: https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/new...Interfere-With-Emergency-Calls-228090311.html