Discussion: FCC Advisory on Two-Way VHF/UHF Radios

[KK4JUG]

...but point was MOST people are not looking to cause problems with fire/police/med. there are always somebody .....

And your point is well-taken. The interference is not intentional. Nonetheless, it pollutes all the air around them.

 

[scanmanmi]

Is there anyone who makes a ham/FRS/GMRS/MURS scanner radio besides them?

 

[seth21w]

Baofeng are good radios to get people in the hobby as not everyone can afford a Motorola or Icom or other high end radios. They are great cheap analog scanners. Hope they don't quit selling them. But I may buy one before it happens, I like them as fm radios

 

[mmckenna]

Is there anyone who makes a ham/FRS/GMRS/MURS scanner radio besides them?

By FCC rules, MURS radios (actual Part 95 MURS radios) cannot share with other services.

So, in reality, no one makes a "legal" ham/FRS/GMRS/MURS radio.

If you are asking if anyone else makes a dual band VHF/UHF commercial radio, then yes, Motorola, Thales, EF Johnson, a few others.

But the issue is they are not cheap. And that seems to be the issue. People want it all, they want it cheap, and they want it now, rules be damned.

 

[KK4JUG]

Baofeng are good radios to get people in the hobby as not everyone can afford a Motorola or Icom or other high end radios. They are great cheap analog scanners. Hope they don't quit selling them. But I may buy one before it happens, I like them as fm radios

The FCC advisory says they can't be sold now but they're still all over the Internet.

 

[scanmanmi]

rules be damned.

Right on brother!

 

[alcahuete]

I am personally aware of a number of interference cases brought before the FCC that didn't generate a public record. My awareness of them comes from being the guy who talked to the FCC to report them.

I promise you a record is there. Did you FOIA it? It might not be on a public website, but a report was generated and documentation was made.

I am 100% aware of cases of CCRs causing interference to public safety communication. My awareness comes from being the guy who tracked the culprits down.

There certainly are CCRs that cause interference. Before the CCRs, there were stolen radios, eBay radios, ham radios, Motorola, Kenwood, etc. It has been going on for decades.

I'm not saying that there aren't CCRs causing interference. But there is certainly no influx. There are also Motorolas causing interference. There are businesses with Motorolas operating unlicensed on whatever frequencies are programmed into the radios from eBay, there are businesses using GMRS, etc. This has been happening forever.

I am also aware that the vast majority of these cases are cleared without formal enforcement action with a single contact explaining what the problem is. Most people say oops, and stop doing it. Those cases don't generate formal enforcement action.

Reports are still generated at the FCC. There doesn't have to be a formal enforcement action. Of course, not all interference is reported. But this is nothing new.

 

[KK4JUG]

Reports are still generated at the FCC. There doesn't have to be a formal enforcement action. Of course, not all interference is reported. But this is nothing new.

If it's not on paper, it didn't happen.

 

[zz0468]

I promise you a record is there. Did you FOIA it? It might not be on a public website, but a report was generated and documentation was made.

You miss my point, which is, just because YOU aren't aware of it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. And I'm pretty sure there's been actions that didn't wind up as more than a "carbon copy" in some guys file cabinet.

Why would I FOIA anything? They get resolved to my satisfaction.

I'm not saying that there aren't CCRs causing interference. But there is certainly no influx.

Um... Ok, IF you insist, you can feel free to think that. I won't stop you.

There are also Motorolas causing interference.

I don't doubt it. But the cheap easy to get ones are currently more of a problem. You're not required to agree or believe. You don't strike me as being in "the business", so your point of view will be different from mine.

 

[riccom]

So it is so much easier to blame a overseas radio huh, how about the seller, or in fact the end user, I as a end user know better, and most of you, as end users, do know better, and some of the manufacturer of the radios do say do not use for public safety unless oked to, (tht is one of them).

Now as said I have said radios, but I use them as scanners and with dmr being used here and p-25 also, I am using them to monitor said format.
We know they are not part 90, and we know that Motorola dmr and apco 25 radios are not cheap. We use discrimination taps, but why do that when we have a rd-5r for dmr, and dmr is the big thing in amateur radio, so am I a bad guy for having them, and being responsible?

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[ipfd320]

Quote from W6BU--> It doesn't take a massive amount of "interference" to raise the noise floor thus making it more difficult for everyone to communicate. It's not so much a matter of Billy Baofeng inadvertently transmitting on your repeater's input frequency or on your department's fire ground channel. It's that his radio is generating spurious emissions all up and down the band.


You Cant Blame the Raised Noise Floor Only on These Radios with Spurious Emissions thats Been Brainwashed Thru-Out the Posts Everywhere--Take Into Account ALL the Led Lighting Causing Major Interference Out There across the Country--*(Read the FCC Report & Orders / NAL,s)* even tho these Companies are Fined these Interfering Causing Units are Still in Operation Today

Now Lets Go to the Next Noise Floor Mess--The Good Ol Solar Panels / Inverters--These as a Fact and Proven they Severly Increase Noise Floor Levels and Feedback thru the Grid in Reverse Buyback Fashion

And Now We Have the LED Street Lighting Feeding Back Thru the Grid Wiring Another Proven Fact--The List Goes On and On so You Cant Just Single Out the CCR,s

 

[mmckenna]

So it is so much easier to blame a overseas radio huh, how about the seller, or in fact the end user, …..

so am I a bad guy for having them, and being responsible?

I think you might be missing the point.

There are many issues involved here.
There's nothing wrong with an overseas company making radios that do not meet US FCC requirements. Not all countries have the same standards the USA does.

There is an issue with radios being marketed/sold in the US, or sold to US customers, or being imported into the country that do not meet the FCC requirements (Part 15, Part 90, etc)
That should fall on who ever is importing them into the country.
And who ever is selling them in the country,
And who ever is using them in the country.

So, how does the FCC stop this?
Stop them from entering the country. The rules are clear that they should not be imported into the country if they do not meet the requirements.
Stop them from being sold in the country. Rules are clear on this.
Educate users. Hard to do, people don't like being told "no".

If you read the document from the FCC, they make it clear that Amateur radio/part 97 use is OK, if the radios are marketed, sold and used as such.

 

[mmckenna]

And Now We Have the LED Street Lighting Feeding Back Thru the Grid Wiring Another Proven Fact--The List Goes On and On so You Cant Just Single Out the CCR,s

Nope, you can't, and that's a good point. You can blame the FCC's failure to enforce their own rules. Part 15 would/should address these issues, however the FCCs system of trusting the TCB's is where it's falling apart. Basically they've put all the type certifications into an "honor system". It's shown that some companies are willing to sell their honor for a quick buck.
FCC needs to crack down on this, and ideally go to a system where equipment is spot checked for compliance.

 

[riccom]

FCC needs to crack down on this, and ideally go to a system where equipment is spot checked for compliance.

that means they have to get out of the office for once in many years!, i doubt that would happen!

 

[mmckenna]

that means they have to get out of the office for once in many years!, i doubt that would happen!

I suspect you are correct. Much easier to send out a sharply worded memo and call it done.

I my own opinion, the FCC sold out long ago. Anything they do to benefit the public is likely a mistake.

 

[12dbsinad]

You Cant Blame the Raised Noise Floor Only on These Radios with Spurious Emissions thats Been Brainwashed Thru-Out the Posts Everywhere--Take Into Account ALL the Led Lighting Causing Major Interference Out There across the Country--*(Read the FCC Report & Orders / NAL,s)* even tho these Companies are Fined these Interfering Causing Units are Still in Operation Today

Fair enough. I can agree with this.

 

[RFI-EMI-GUY]

Hey, they are still cracking down on radio pirates. Pimply kids spinning new wave and punk rock albums in Moms basement.

Check the EB website for the interactive map where they proudly map all the kids busted.

Found it last year when trying to find evidence the EB was trying to crack down on spoofed robo callers. Here is a hint, they don't care about phone fraud. I called the bureau chief to ask about this, and she never returned my call. She screens her calls not wishing to hear from citizens.

In my many years I have heard about 6 pirate stations, most very good and clever (this frightens Clear Channel). But every week 6 callers (sometimes more) phone to scam me out of my savings using a spoofed caller ID.

But the FCC can be proud of their record clamping down on competition to commercial broadcasters. As my daddy always said, "follow the money".

that means they have to get out of the office for once in many years!, i doubt that would happen!

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[alcahuete]

You don't strike me as being in "the business", so your point of view will be different from mine.

If by "the business" you mean working at a radio shop or something, you're correct. I'm a manager on the air traffic side of the FAA. I deal with the FCC and spectrum management on an almost daily basis when it comes to resolving interference to radio/RADAR systems, etc. I'm more connected with the FCC than most people in "the business" will ever be.

That's why it's super funny when you tell me I can believe what I want. It has nothing to do with my belief. I'm telling you what's actually going on. But after all, you're in "the business."

 

[zz0468]

I deal with the FCC and spectrum management on an almost daily basis when it comes to resolving interference to radio/RADAR systems, etc. I'm more connected with the FCC than most people in "the business" will ever be.

That's why it's super funny when you tell me I can believe what I want. It has nothing to do with my belief. I'm telling you what's actually going on. But after all, you're in "the business."

In this case, I would hope you're smart enough not to make "100%" assertions on matters outside your field of expertise.

Few, if any, CCRs come with airband transmit capability, and fewer still are preprogrammed for it. Virtually all of them will transmit on public safety frequencies right out of the box. And I guarandamntee you that it happens. I see it often enough. And I'm pretty sure I know why you haven't.

 

[riccom]

But the FCC can be proud of their record clamping down on competition to commercial broadcasters. As my daddy always said, "follow the money".

and since you are a part of my 1,000 post here is my reply
since the FCC is not a so called government agency, and now about how they can pad there wallets and the wallets of there bed fellows (motorola Clear channel, AT&T) and it makes me sick.
they used to have respect, now they are a joke and have been for 10 years \