Duke Energy P25 System

[brian]

I don't know why it would give you an access error. I just logged in from a computer at another location for which I'm not logged into Gmail, and it's on a different connection (Comcast). I was able to click on the link and open the map.

With that said, in the past couple of years Google have become whiners about free services... Maybe my map reached an astounding 52.5 views and this was enough for Google to want to prevent access unless I pay. I don't know.

Opening the link to the map in an incognito tab (in Chrome) seems to have worked.

I don't see anything new or unexpected on the map, and a search of the FCC site for my County doesn't reveal any pending licenses. I'll search those frequencies that are known to see if any have switched from OpenSky to P25.

Thanks for the information.

 

[mtindor]

Opening the link to the map in an incognito tab (in Chrome) seems to have worked.

I don't see anything new or unexpected on the map, and a search of the FCC site for my County doesn't reveal any pending licenses. I'll search those frequencies that are known to see if any have switched from OpenSky to P25.

Thanks for the information.

Welcome. Still, you should keep an eye/ear out. You just never know when something might pop up.

mike

 

[brian]

Duke Energy Spartanburg, SC

Sys ID 91F14-3D4
Site 72.72 NAC 048
857.3375 CC
858.3375 AC
859.3375 AC
860.3375 AC
Callsign WNAJ727

No neighbor sites listed.

Note that some of these Alternate CC frequencies are still in use as OpenSky channels.

 

[brian]

Duke Energy Edneyville, NC (Rutherford Co)

Sys ID 91F14-3D4
Site 75.75 NAC 04B
857.4125 CC
854.8125 AC
855.0125 AC
855.9125 AC
Callsign WPFX890

No neighbor sites listed.

 

[mtindor]

Duke Energy Edneyville, NC (Rutherford Co)

Sys ID 91F14-3D4
Site 75.75 NAC 04B
857.4125 CC
854.8125 AC
855.0125 AC
855.9125 AC
Callsign WPFX890

No neighbor sites listed.

Now that has me curious about the logic they will be using to split up sites between SysIDs. I would assume 397 for NC and 3D4 for SC. It doesn't look like that is what they are doing right at the moment. But maybe that is how it will pan out. Otherwise I guess they could be doing E/W Carolinas rather than N/S Carolina. Nice find though!

I suspect some of the 3D4/397 will change, just because the live sites so far verified up in the Raleigh NC area are 397 with some 3D4 peers -- doesn't make sense to me. I suspect some of these sites may have been staged in one particular area, tested, and then moved and still in a state of being totally prepped for use with some lingering old information in them. I saw that happen a lot with the AEP P25 rollout.

 

[brian]

In the Carolinas, there's a region that Duke refers to as Duke Energy Carolinas that covers the western parts of both states. There's a 2nd region called Duke Energy Progress (formerly covered by Progress Energy) that generally covers more eastern parts of the states. Since it appears there is some organizational separation between these regions, perhaps the radio system will also be separated accordingly. Here's a snip from the Duke Energy Outage map website that shows these regions



Clearly Duke doesn't cover all of the area shown in these images, there are plenty of other utilities not related to Duke mixed in. Also worth noting that the existing OpenSky system doesn't currently cover all of these areas. There are areas in the mountains of Western NC where they use DMR repeaters on UHF.

 

[mtindor]

In the Carolinas, there's a region that Duke refers to as Duke Energy Carolinas that covers the western parts of both states. There's a 2nd region called Duke Energy Progress (formerly covered by Progress Energy) that generally covers more eastern parts of the states. Since it appears there is some organizational separation between these regions, perhaps the radio system will also be separated accordingly. Here's a snip from the Duke Energy Outage map website that shows these regions

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Clearly Duke doesn't cover all of the area shown in these images, there are plenty of other utilities not related to Duke mixed in. Also worth noting that the existing OpenSky system doesn't currently cover all of these areas. There are areas in the mountains of Western NC where they use DMR repeaters on UHF.

Thank you. Makes much more sense now that i took a look at maps of those territories covered, and where they overlap in some places. And now it also makes sense that Raleigh and Garner could have some legitimate 3D4 peers.

Mike

 

[BigLebowski]

A few sites west of Charlotte, NC online...

WNPW331 - Shelby, NC (Cleveland)
35.27339 -81.49506
3D7 Site 67.67
(Couldn't get a NAC and site had faded out)

854.2375 CC
854.4875 SCC
856.0875 SCC
858.0875 SCC

Shows 3 Neighbors:

397-30.30
3D4-23.23
3D4-73.73 856.350

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WNPW330 - Dallas, NC (Gaston)
35.34706 -81.17061
3D4 Site 23.23
NAC 017

854.0625 CC
854.4375 SCC
856.1625 SCC
859.5625 SCC

Neighbors:

3D4-40.40 857.2875
397-30.30 (no CC)
3D4-67.67 854.2375
3D4-3.3 854.4875
2D7-85.85 (no CC)

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I am also seeing a site 3D4-11.11 (NAC 00B)

854.5625 CC
856.0875 SCC
859.2875 SCC

Not showing any neighbors and at a quick glance I don't see a matching license.

I had to edit the post as 23.23 showed 2 additional neighbors when I went back to it 10 minutes after I first read it.

 

[scannerboy02]

Here is the system map from the FCC filings showing the geographic division of the system.

 

[jake_Braker]

A few sites west of Charlotte, NC online...

WNPW331 - Shelby, NC (Cleveland)
35.27339 -81.49506
3D7 Site 67.67
(Couldn't get a NAC and site had faded out)

854.2375 CC
854.4875 SCC
856.0875 SCC
858.0875 SCC

Shows 3 Neighbors:

397-30.30
3D4-23.23
3D4-73.73 856.350

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WNPW330 - Dallas, NC (Gaston)
35.34706 -81.17061
3D4 Site 23.23
NAC 017

854.0625 CC
854.4375 SCC
856.1625 SCC
859.5625 SCC

Neighbors:

3D4-40.40 857.2875
397-30.30 (no CC)
3D4-67.67 854.2375
3D4-3.3 854.4875
2D7-85.85 (no CC)

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I am also seeing a site 3D4-11.11 (NAC 00B)

854.5625 CC
856.0875 SCC
859.2875 SCC

Not showing any neighbors and at a quick glance I don't see a matching license.

I had to edit the post as 23.23 showed 2 additional neighbors when I went back to it 10 minutes after I first read it.

Sitting on the Gaston CC and seeing Shelby on DSD. Neither are currently active

 

[reconrider8]

Sitting on the Gaston CC and seeing Shelby on DSD. Neither are currently active

How are we telling which frequency is the control? Just trying different ones or what?

 

[RaleighGuy]

How are we telling which frequency is the control? Just trying different ones or what?

If you are using DSD+ FL, OP25 or BTT you should see the spike on the display as you look at the band. If you are using a scanner it really doesn't matter because they won't be able to decode it anyways.

 

[reconrider8]

If you are using DSD+ FL, OP25 or BTT you should see the spike on the display as you look at the band. If you are using a scanner it really doesn't matter because they won't be able to decode it anyways.

Yea using fl I have the frequencies from the license info that's what I've been using so far with nothing yet

 

[RaleighGuy]

Yea using fl I have the frequencies from the license info that's what I've been using so far with nothing yet

If it is there this is what FMP24 shows, and unidentified spikes are our friends

 

[RaleighGuy]

Made a trip to an appointment in Chapel Hill, NC, today and had my laptop with me. Three new sites discovered.

858.4000 30-30 397 NAC 01E
857.1625 39-39 3D4 NAC 027, No Neighbors List
854.9375 61-61 NAC 397 03D, No Neighbors List

Also, didn't have the CC freq for 29-29, which was seen as 860.8625 on NL for 30-30, but not monitored, still no NAC.



From DSDPlus.P25Data file...
Network: 91F14.397

Site: 30.30 NAC=01E ; Unconfirmed - WRVH885 Hanover Nuc Plant, New Hill NC
Neighbor: 91F14.397-4.4 ; WRUV408 Auburn Church Rd Garner NC
Neighbor: 91F14.397-46.46 ; WRUV446 Method Interpath Turner St Raleigh NC
Neighbor: 91F14.3D4-29.29 ; Unconfirmed - WQOY788 East Durham Tie, Durham NC
Channel 8-862: 856.4-1 SCC
Channel 8-1022: 857.4-1 SCC
Channel 8-1182: 858.4-1 CC
Channel 8-1342: 859.4-1 SCC

Site: 61.61 NAC=03D
Channel 8-628: 854.9375-1 CC
Channel 8-924: 856.7875-1 SCC
Channel 8-1584: 860.9125-1 SCC

Network: 91F14.3D4

Site: 29.29 ; Unconfirmed - WQOY788 East Durham Tie, Durham NC
Channel 8-1576: 860.8625-1 CC


Site: 39.39 NAC=027
Channel 8-984: 857.1625-1 CC
Channel 8-1060: 857.6375-1 SCC
Channel 8-1144: 858.1625-1 SCC
Channel 8-1304: 859.1625-1 SCC


Site: 69.69 ; Unconfirmed -
Channel 8-1096: 857.8625-1 CC

 

[mtindor]

3D4-39.39 might be Hillsborough NC (Orange) - WNPW328
397-61.61 might be Stem NC (Granville) - WQOY323

Would those sites jive with your drive route?

 

[RaleighGuy]

3D4-39.39 might be Hillsborough NC (Orange) - WNPW328
397-61.61 might be Stem NC (Granville) - WQOY323

Would those sites jive with your drive route?

I believe 39.39 is using the old license which has a pending modification. Good job on 61.61. I'm lost on 29.29.

Also, the license for 30.30 (WRVH885) lists an additional freq not discovered today, it is 857.5125

 

[mtindor]

I believe 39.39 is using the old license which has a pending modification. Good job on 61.61. I'm lost on 29.29.

Also, the license for 30.30 (WRVH885) lists an additional freq not discovered today, it is 857.5125

If you are referring to 39.39 being HIllsborough on WPW328, that pending app on that license only has to do with the addition of a freq or two on Winston-Salem and a few modifications (emissions) on a one or two other sites. No changes with Hillsborough on that pending app that I could see.

It would not surprise if me if some of the sites with a lot of licensed frequencies may not have all active. Remember, these are Phase II TDMA sites so they have two timeslots per freq. I don't know what their old systems were in NC/SC and they may not have had more than one timeslot per freq and thus may have needed more.

Nice finds. Hopefully somebody around Durham could confirm 29.29. Of course I realize that there would be a very small percentage of people who would be able to get the details from the TDMA control channel. That leaves just a handful of you [or less] to figure out all of NC/SC

 

[RaleighGuy]

If you are referring to 39.39 being HIllsborough on WPW328, that pending app on that license only has to do with the addition of a freq or two on Winston-Salem and a few modifications (emissions) on a one or two other sites. No changes with Hillsborough on that pending app that I could see.

Yes, I see that now, three sites include Emission Designator changes to TDMA (Sites 5, 9, 10) but it does not include the Hillsborough site.

Maybe I will take a trip up to North Durham in the next few weeks, it really is a shame we can't get more help from others with DSD+ or OP25. I will mention I stopped by RDU Airport on the way home but did not catch any activity on the RDU freqs.

 

[BigLebowski]

3D4 - Site 59.59 is up.. should be Reidsville (Rockingham County, NC).

WNPW330 36.42483 -79.6855
NAC 03B
857.6125 CC
858.6125 SCC
859.6125 SCC

Not showing any neighbors as of now and no traffic or affiliations.