EMP immunity

[trentbob]

If I am close enough for an EMP to affect MY car, I am probably dead anyway.

The more I think about it I'm going in the same direction especially since it's been established I'm very close to key military targets.

I also agree with, where is there to go, same with the radios, who are you going to talk to and about what, you would lose your appetite fairly quickly as the radiation sickness consumes you.

I'm a pretty good shot but I don't know if I could reload fast enough to face down a cannibalistic mob, they would probably grab my ammo and weapons anyway, doing me a favor by not having to wait around for the death of radiation poisoning.

 

[trentbob]

Florida's Hollow-Earth Cult Left Behind a Bizarre Ghost Town

The cult of Koreshanity intended Fort Myers to become the New Jerusalem. The town they left behind is preserved at the Koreshan State Park.

floridatraveler.com

We once had a hollow earth religious cult here in Florida. They had another dogma that led to their demise. Care to guess why they no longer exist?

LOL, they didn't turn out to be inmortal like they thought they were.

 

[Lauri-CoyoteFrostbite]

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"I'll take Weird Cults for $400, Alex----"

"We once had a hollow earth religious cult here in Florida. They had another dogma that led to their demise. Care to guess why they no longer exist?"

"What was Celibacy, Alex ?"


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I was going to say that it was probably playing around with EM Pulses... but thought better .

Seems to me that it got the Shakers too..... Celibacy, not an EMP...... but at least it wasn't cyanide-Kool Aid.


Think how dull things would be with out colourful fanatics !


Lauri



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(The cult's founder Dr. Teed) "thought the act of celibacy would create immortality.........Of course, it shot holes in that theory when he died,”

 

[NowhereMan66]

An interesting thought---- Among the star gazing fraternity I have had the pleasure (?) of contemplating our existence in the universe is that thread.

But how to prove it ?

Another, my favorite- is that advanced civilisations are pre-order'd to destroy themselves as they become too technically far gone to not blow themselves up. There may be some law of the universe that say the lifetime of any advanced civilisation is X-number of years --- then 'boom."
All of us on these Ape infested planets just can't help it.

This is why we don't hear from other galaxies--- they exist/existed briefly while they had the communications technology and the did themselves in. A thousand light years away?....but a scintilla of intelligence in a star cluster---and 'zap !--- gone.

.....no wonder we don't hear anything.

A universal law of nature, like gravity or the speed of light ?


Lauri

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Yeah, I'm of the same mindset, once a civilization reaches the tech level of atomic power/weapons, there is this race started where you have X amount of time to make it to space an establish interplanetary/interstellar colonies before somebody,. somewhere does something stupid and blows us all back to 1800., or worse. Robert A. Heinlein, noted SF writer, said that "it would be foolish for the Human Race to keep it's eggs in one basket." Carl Sagan touched upon this with the Drake Equation in Cosmos where DR. Frank Drake developed that equation in the 1950's to estimate the possible amount of technical civilizations in the galaxy. He's still alive and active BTW. Carl Sagan played with the equations where on the pessimistic side, you'd only have around 10 technical civilizations in the Milky Way and on the optimistic side, millions of them. I personally think there could be more than 10 but I err a bit on the pessimistic side, maybe more like100, perhaps a 1000.

EMP, IMHO, is a bit overrated, most of the cars, radios, PC's, etc will work, but the rub is where the power grid will go down and unless there are local parts remaining, we'd be in a world of hurt. You'd still have stores of fuel, batteries and generators left but overtime unless you can find or make fuel, parts, and/or some other way to keep them going for them, their days are numbered.

I guess if there is a full atomic war, if I was in charge of the powers that be, that is if I could do it and find enough man and machine power left, do what William the Conqueror did in England in 1086, go around the country, find out what assets and property there is and register it in a latter day "Domesday Book ." Even so, there id an old saying where "the baker still has to make his bread, the butcher still has to cut meat and the candle maker still has to make candles." At some point, things will sort out. The huge questions is how long. We might be able to recover to a 1920 to 1950 level in a generation maybe, who knows"

 

[NowhereMan66]

Good news is your car will still run, but be in limp mode at 20 MPH, don't be in a hurry to get away.

Most cars in limp mode will do 55 or 60 but at that gear ratio, you'd eat gas like crazy.

 

[RFI-EMI-GUY]

Most cars in limp mode will do 55 or 60 but at that gear ratio, you'd eat gas like crazy.

Newer cars, 2015 on up, especially those built the past 4 years have a ridiculous number of unnecessarily automated systems, door locks, windows, auto stop and start, PARKING BRAKE!, collision avoidance, electronic steering. From what I am reading in two forums, Hyundai and Ford, these malfunction on a constant basis, the results from severe annoyance to outright vehicle damage. If you have one of these newer cars and expect to even "enjoy" limp mode, you might find yourself, locked out, parking brake permanently engaged. At best limping at 50 MPH and swerving.

I have a 21 year old Ford Expedition, runs great, low miles, paint is awful. I spent a couple hours friday explaining to a paint shop owner why I want to repaint a hoopty. I did not mention EMP. I did mention the vast ground plane on the roof. I did not flinch at the numbers he threw out.

 

[N4GIX]

Florida's Hollow-Earth Cult Left Behind a Bizarre Ghost Town

The cult of Koreshanity intended Fort Myers to become the New Jerusalem. The town they left behind is preserved at the Koreshan State Park.

floridatraveler.com

We once had a hollow earth religious cult here in Florida. They had another dogma that led to their demise. Care to guess why they no longer exist?

I would surmise the fact that the quack doctor never resurrected himself might have put a bit of suggestion that he was a quack!

I've visited the Koreshan State Park many times while visiting my parents on South Estero Island (Ft. Myers Beach).

 

[trentbob]

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"I'll take Weird Cults for $400, Alex----"

"We once had a hollow earth religious cult here in Florida. They had another dogma that led to their demise. Care to guess why they no longer exist?"

"What was Celibacy, Alex ?"


_______________________________________________________________________

I was going to say that it was probably playing around with EM Pulses... but thought better .

Seems to me that it got the Shakers too..... Celibacy, not an EMP...... but at least it wasn't cyanide-Kool Aid.


Think how dull things would be with out colourful fanatics !


Lauri

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(The cult's founder Dr. Teed) "thought the act of celibacy would create immortality.........Of course, it shot holes in that theory when he died,”

I just saw now my typo in my post. I don't do that often, I usually edit the spell checker.

it's interesting how they propped him up and left him out with a member staying with the body because they were sure that he was going to resurrect himself and come alive again, until the health department told them they had to do something with the body LOL.

 

[RFI-EMI-GUY]

 

[k6cpo]

I don't understand all this concern about the effects of an EMP on our electronics. If we actually experience an EMP, we're going to have bigger things to worry about than if our radios work or not.

 

[trentbob]

I don't understand all this concern about the effects of an EMP on our electronics. If we actually experience an EMP, we're going to have bigger things to worry about than if our radios work or not.

That's the conclusion many of us have come to .

 

[MUTNAV]

I don't understand all this concern about the effects of an EMP on our electronics. If we actually experience an EMP, we're going to have bigger things to worry about than if our radios work or not.

Because it is a potentially local event... equivalent of a regional power outage or less, depending on the what its all about, (terrorists launching a nuke 50 Km high from a ship at sea), not everything is an end of the world / destroy the world event.

As for myself, I want to be able to contact family to see how they are getting home (Drive, school bus, walking etc, or if I need to meet them somewhere...) if it is an EMP or non-nuclear phone outage type event, there ARE weapons makable by semi skilled labor that could take out local communications systems also.

Thanks
Joel

 

[NowhereMan66]

Newer cars, 2015 on up, especially those built the past 4 years have a ridiculous number of unnecessarily automated systems, door locks, windows, auto stop and start, PARKING BRAKE!, collision avoidance, electronic steering. From what I am reading in two forums, Hyundai and Ford, these malfunction on a constant basis, the results from severe annoyance to outright vehicle damage. If you have one of these newer cars and expect to even "enjoy" limp mode, you might find yourself, locked out, parking brake permanently engaged. At best limping at 50 MPH and swerving.

I have a 21 year old Ford Expedition, runs great, low miles, paint is awful. I spent a couple hours friday explaining to a paint shop owner why I want to repaint a hoopty. I did not mention EMP. I did mention the vast ground plane on the roof. I did not flinch at the numbers he threw out.

Yeah, I keep thinking of what Mom said before she passed in 2013, "they put in too much Buck Rogers, Flash Gordon and Commando Cody stuff in cars today." Her first car was a 1953 Ford. My father's first car was a 1936 Chevy and he had to either hand crank to start it or roll it down a hill and put it in gear, he as too poor to buy a battery. There is a side of me that thinks that maybe the Trabant someone posted is a good idea or even an old Lada. I once saw a 1977 Buick for sale, I would have snagged it of I could afford to buy it.

 

[Token]

Yeah, I keep thinking of what Mom said before she passed in 2013, "they put in too much Buck Rogers, Flash Gordon and Commando Cody stuff in cars today." Her first car was a 1953 Ford. My father's first car was a 1936 Chevy and he had to either hand crank to start it or roll it down a hill and put it in gear, he as too poor to buy a battery. There is a side of me that thinks that maybe the Trabant someone posted is a good idea or even an old Lada. I once saw a 1977 Buick for sale, I would have snagged it of I could afford to buy it.

I still drive a 1957 Jeep, a 1962 Triumph, and several other pre-electronic iginition vehicles on a daily basis. And I have other, older, vehicles I drive less often.

T!

 

[mmckenna]

There is a side of me that thinks that maybe the Trabant someone posted is a good idea or even an old Lada.

You might survive the event, but unlikely you'd survive any sort of collision in a car like that. Old military vehicle might be your better option.

I once saw a 1977 Buick for sale, I would have snagged it of I could afford to buy it.

You could be the first pimp of the post apocalyptic world.

 

[BMDaug]

Hmmmmm..... Oh-Kay.....a Diesel engine----- what about the starter motor ? there has been no discussion of EMP effects on those, and hand cranking those is pretty much out of the questions.... and there is a form of ignition to consider---> what's to initially fire the glow plugs when the alternator or generator is fried and the battery has gone flat ?

I am not being a smart ass; I really don't have any answers, but now I am curious.

On the other hand fuel is a little easier. I have used kerosene, and have it from trusted sources who have done so-- that they have run just about anything oily.... cooking oil to deep fryer slops.

Again, 2-stroke Detroit diesel with an air starter is what you’re after! No ignition system at all, no fancy injection pump, no alternator or battery, runs on anything oily like you said! Plus, you can run all sorts of useful pneumatic accessories including air horns, tools, etc. you can communicate for dozens of miles with the right air horn.

I do agree that the degree of damage from an emp is unpredictable. I guess that’s one reason to just own lots of radios located in different places and stored in different ways! It’s a scenario where a radio located on one side of a mountain would potentially survive and a radio on the other side would be trash…

 

[SmitHans]

Hmmmmm..... Oh-Kay.....a Diesel engine----- what about the starter motor ? there has been no discussion of EMP effects on those, and hand cranking those is pretty much out of the questions.... and there is a form of ignition to consider---> what's to initially fire the glow plugs when the alternator or generator is fried and the battery has gone flat ?

I am not being a smart ass; I really don't have any answers, but now I am curious.

On the other hand fuel is a little easier. I have used kerosene, and have it from trusted sources who have done so-- that they have run just about anything oily.... cooking oil to deep fryer slops.

I have driven diesel semi trucks with air starters. And none of the semi's I've driven had glow plugs. No electricity required at all to start & run those engines, & as you said, they will run on just about any flammable liquid mixture.

 

[Lauri-CoyoteFrostbite]

..........2-stroke Detroit diesel with an air starter is what you’re after!...................

Cool ~!

It's obvious I know very little about Diesel engines.
I have had the fun, however, of nurse-maid'ing some diesel generators when the temperatures dropped to fifty below (thats were I learned about using kerosene/gasoline/diesel mixtures)- now there's adventure!

I understand how an air-start diesel works-- my question is-- where is the source of the compressed air when everything is in shambles ?
That's a rhetorical question... I figure I won't have much reason to go anywhere if it comes down to that.....



.............but on the other hand, these 'survivalist' seemed to have a transportation purpose--- is that a diesel truck they are driving ?
(I don't think they are worried too much about any radios though)---

Lauri

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[AK9R]

I understand how an air-start diesel works-- my question is-- where is the source of the compressed air when everything is in shambles ?

I think the non-rhetorical answer is that you run the the vehicle often enough to keep the on-board air tanks pressurized so that they are ready to go after the big flash.

 

[BMDaug]

I think the non-rhetorical answer is that you run the the vehicle often enough to keep the on-board air tanks pressurized so that they are ready to go after the big flash.

Yep yep! Or, ideally, you have an air system that doesn’t leak. Air can replace electricity in many cases. I’ve run trucks with air windshield wipers, air horns, air actuators in place of solenoids for PTOs, tire inflation systems, air brakes and suspension, air chucks for tools… cool stuff.