Erie County P25 System

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mfullererie

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Is that kind of a push a button task, or is it an involved project?
Depending on the kind of radios at the site, probably hooking a computer up to it. In working with some amateur repeaters in the area, it was a matter of programming the radio with a computer - took about 30 seconds once you had the setup in the software.

As of now, sounds like it's fixed.

That being said - anyone happen to have a pager tone list? I have one for the sirens, but not the pagers.
 

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I’m getting asked by fireman and others what good inexpensive scanner they could buy to receive the new p25 phase 2 system. And I have been telling them they all are pricey. But wonder what anyone else is going to use , I have the uniden 536 , the 996 is cheaper and probably Best Buy . What’s your opinions on a radio for the public to buy?
Terry, I just received a new 996p2 today. Now trying to get it programmed and on the air - may need help from the 'experts' !!
 

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I got a 996P2 last week. Programmed it from the database here with Freescan. Had to play around with the antenna height and angle buy it is working all right now. I did reprogram it a couple times as the datdbase here got updated.
 

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I got a 996P2 last week. Programmed it from the database here with Freescan. Had to play around with the antenna height and angle buy it is working all right now. I did reprogram it a couple times as the datdbase here got updated.
Glad you got yours "happy". I have the analog page channels working, but not the p25 yet. I read above about the quick keys and 'service types', so will now learn more about that !
 

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It keeps sticking on ID #s 201 and 209. I have to temporarily lock them out each time I power up the scanner.
 

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If you just got a 996, and you want to put in the trunk system, my biggest chunk of service is don't try to program from the front panel. Just get one of the available software packages and do it that way.
 

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If you just got a 996, and you want to put in the trunk system, my biggest chunk of service is don't try to program from the front panel. Just get one of the available software packages and do it that way.
I have updated the BCD996P2 Firmware and used Freescan to download latest file from the RR Database. Not sure what other settings I may need. Playing around with antenna and locations. Receiving dispatch and Med channels. Continue to monitor progress!
 

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It keeps sticking on ID #s 201 and 209. I have to temporarily lock them out each time I power up the scanner.
It's best to "avoid" from Sentinel or whatever software you have. Check he database page to see which 200 series TG's to avoid. Most are encrypted PD's.
 

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I got a 996P2 last week. Programmed it from the database here with Freescan. Had to play around with the antenna height and angle buy it is working all right now. I did reprogram it a couple times as the datdbase here got updated.
Still working with my 536 to get the best reception and audio. What's the best antenna position and angle you found?
 

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It's best to "avoid" from Sentinel or whatever software you have. Check he database page to see which 200 series TG's to avoid. Most are encrypted PD's.
I did that. Only selected Fire/EMS when I programmed it. I thought the same thing and double checked that fire and ems was the only thing selected.
 

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I did that. Only selected Fire/EMS when I programmed it. I thought the same thing and double checked that fire and ems was the only thing selected.

Make sure you are in ID SCAN not ID SEARCH. Scan will only stop on talk groups you have programmed, search stops on all. An excellent resource, if you have not seen it, is; Easier to Read BCD996P2/XT Digital Scanner Manual
 

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One of the design goals for this system was to improve portable in-building coverage, which is one reason you see a concentration of tower sites in the Urban Simulcast cell. A "big" antenna (aka gain antenna remotely mounted) should not be necessary to receive this system within its intended service area. In fact, it is likely to be counterproductive because you increase the number of tower sites you will receive - which is not helpful. Reception quality of a P25 simulcast system depends on the radio equipment you are using, and the physical location of the radio. If one is lucky enough to live nearby a tower site, signal from that tower will overwhelm the signals from the other member tower sites of the simulcast cell. This will allow any P25 Phase 2 capable radio to receive the system adequately - like a 996P2, HP2, 325, 436/536 or appropriate Whistler models. However if you live in an area where several tower sites are more or less equal-distant (meaning no dominant tower in terms of signal strength) radios not specifically designed to receive P25 simulcast will perform poorly, resulting in spotty, missing or garbled transmission reception. Some people have been able to improve reception of non - P25 simulcast optimized radios by applying attenuation, moving their scanners a few feet - or even inches - while for others, nothing helps. As far as changing from a stock antenna, the strategy should be to limit reception to a single site by either detuning your antenna (using one not specifically cut for 450/460 Mhz.,) or using a Yagi antenna pointed slightly off-axis towards a tower site (but no other sites should be located along the same azimuth.) Some people have had success using a paper clip as the antenna element - or removing the antenna completely - but even this may not help because the signal strength can be comparatively high in some areas.

The bottom line is if you want to receive pristine comms on a P25 simulcast system, buy a radio specifically designed to receive P25 simulcast - like a SDS100 / 200. It will work everywhere within the system's intended service area using its stock antenna. If you don't need to be mobile and are technically inclined, you can buy some good RTL SDR dongles and use a software package like DSD+, which works great and costs far less than a SDS radio. You could even build a small radio using a Raspberry Pi 3+/4 and use OP25 and a single RTL SDR for less than $100.

Those of us who have suffered through the transition from analog repeater systems, to SmartZone simulcast, to Astro P25 simulcast (or EDACS to Harris P25) have learned the above lessons the hard way - aka through trial and error. Use our experience as Guinea pigs to inform your decisions.

*** Note that I did not mention a Unication G4/G5 pager as a possible radio to receive this specific system. Apparently EFJohnson P25 systems are not always 100% compatible with other vendor equipment. Initially, some Harris subscribers would not work on ATLAS infrastructure, as well as Unication pagers. I do not know if these incompatibilities have been rectified.
 
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One of the design goals for this system was to improve portable in-building coverage, which is one reason you see a concentration of tower sites in the Urban Simulcast cell. A "big" antenna (aka gain antenna remotely mounted) should not be necessary to receive this system within its intended service area. In fact, it is likely to be counterproductive because you increase the number of tower sites you will receive - which is not helpful. Reception quality of a P25 simulcast system depends on the radio equipment you are using, and the physical location of the radio. If one is lucky enough to live nearby a tower site, signal from that tower will overwhelm the signals from the other member tower sites of the simulcast cell. This will allow any P25 Phase 2 capable radio to receive the system adequately - like a 996P2, HP2, 325, 436/536 or appropriate Whistler models. However if you live in an area where several tower sites are more or less equal-distant (meaning no dominant tower in terms of signal strength) radios not specifically designed to receive P25 simulcast will perform poorly, resulting in spotty, missing or garbled transmission reception. Some people have been able to improve reception of non - P25 simulcast optimized radios by applying attenuation, moving their scanners a few feet - or even inches - while for others, nothing helps. As far as changing from a stock antenna, the strategy should be to limit reception to a single site by either detuning your antenna (using one not specifically cut for 450/460 Mhz.,) or using a Yagi antenna pointed slightly off-axis towards a tower site (but no other sites should be located along the same azimuth.) Some people have had success using a paper clip as the antenna element - or removing the antenna completely - but even this may not help because the signal strength can be comparatively high in some areas.

The bottom line is if you want to receive pristine comms on a P25 simulcast system, buy a radio specifically designed to receive P25 simulcast - like a SDS100 / 200. It will work everywhere within the system's intended service area using its stock antenna. If you don't need to be mobile and are technically inclined, you can buy some good RTL SDR dongles and use a software package like DSD+, which works great and costs far less than a SDS radio. You could even build a small radio using a Raspberry Pi 3+/4 and use OP25 and a single RTL SDR for less than $100.

Those of us who have suffered through the transition from analog repeater systems, to SmartZone simulcast, to Astro P25 simulcast (or EDACS to Harris P25) have learned the above lessons the hard way - aka through trial and error. Use our experience as Guinea pigs to inform your decisions.

*** Note that I did not mention a Unication G4/G5 pager as a possible radio to receive this specific system. Apparently EFJohnson P25 systems are not always 100% compatible with other vendor equipment. Initially, some Harris subscribers would not work on ATLAS infrastructure, as well as Unication pagers. I do not know if these incompatibilities have been rectified.

Very well said.
 

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*** Note that I did not mention a Unication G4/G5 pager as a possible radio to receive this specific system. Apparently EFJohnson P25 systems are not always 100% compatible with other vendor equipment. Initially, some Harris subscribers would not work on ATLAS infrastructure, as well as Unication pagers. I do not know if these incompatibilities have been rectified.

My Unication G3 works extremely well with this system both portable and in the base charger on a discone. The only limitation is the ability to only monitor one site per knob position.
 
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