Everett area 800MHZ rebanding

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Hello all,

I am wanting to get a scanner for hobby purposes and am currently looking at a RS Pro-97 unit. What I want to know is since it does not support Motorola rebanding of the 800MHz frequencies, will that be a problem picking up local emergency response channels here in Everett (i.e. Everett PD, Snohomish County Sheriff, Everett Fire)?

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Dan
 

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The short answer: No one knows.

The long answer. It depends on which source you look at of late. I've seen that it can be done with a software update. I've seen reports that it will need to be sent back.

I have a GRE/PSR 500 that I'm told can handle rebanding. I also have a Pro96 and Pro97
 

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Stavro35,

Thanks for the response. I have a couple more questions:

1. So, since you own a Pro-97 would you recommend this unit for someone like me who is brand new to this hobby? I can get it for $100.

2. Do you know if the local frequencies (Greater Seattle Area) have been rebanded?

Thanks,

Dan
 

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Go with Uniden. I have a BC246T and a BC15T. Both of which Uniden has stated will support the reban with a simple firmware flash. In fact they have already released new firmware for several models that supports the reban.
 

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Please forgive my ingnorance, but is the rebanding happening everywhere? And if that happens will the radios without rebanding capabilities cease to function in those bands that have been rebanded?

I understand the bands to be affected are: 851-861 MHz and 866-869 MHz

Thanks again for any help you can provide this noob!
 

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Radio Shack will not support the 97 for rebanding.
Pro- 96 will re band using Win96.
GRE-500 or Pro-106 will re band using PSREdit, Win500, ARC500 or soon, ScanControl.
106 is on sale at this time for 400 bucks.
 

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1. So, since you own a Pro-97 would you recommend this unit for someone like me who is brand new to this hobby? I can get it for $100.

2. Do you know if the local frequencies (Greater Seattle Area) have been rebanded?
I'll answer 2 first.

2. No, and it's at least a few more years out. King County will probably be switching to a shuffled band plan to eliminate hacked radio. Here's how that works: right now when a talkgroup becomes active, the control channel sends out a signal that says "Everyone listening to talkgroup 1616 tune to channel 1". All of the radios tune to 851.0125 (I think that's what channel 1 is, but for this example it doesn't really matter; and the transmitting radio would instead tune to 806.0125). After rebanding the control channel will work the same, but Channel 1 will no longer be the same frequency. For a shuffled band plan, the system technicians will be able to customize which frequency each channel is. Channel 1 might be 853.7625, Channel 4 852.5625, etc. As far as I know, no shuffled systems are currently in operation, so scanner manufacturers can't write software to scan these systems.

1. If you buy a 97, it'll work until the system gets rebanded. That's at least 2 years out. The 97 will still work fine, but you won't be able to listen to Moto systems. It'll still work fine for LTR, EDACS and conventional. I've got 2 and I'll probably keep at least one since they're excellent for tracking LTR.

Of the late model scanners out there, the Pro-97 is one of the easier ones to program. It's daunting at first, but compared to the BR330T, it's super easy. The 330 is a great scanner; I had one for a while but upgraded to the BCD396T because I wanted to be able to listen to P25 systems.
If you're looking to monitor anything that's P25, check out the 396 and the PSR-500. The Radio Shack Pro-106 is the same thing as a PSR-500, but since it's new to the market you're going to find a lot more information about the PSR-500. It's an incredibly complex scanner for a beginner, but you'll be set for a long time if you do choose to go with it. Uniden also has the 396X coming out sometime near the end of the year/beginning of 2009; do a forum search and you'll find some info about it.
 

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Please forgive my ingnorance, but is the rebanding happening everywhere? And if that happens will the radios without rebanding capabilities cease to function in those bands that have been rebanded?
I understand the bands to be affected are: 851-861 MHz and 866-869 MHz

1) ... is the rebanding happening everywhere? The entire U.S.
2) ... will the radios without rebanding capabilities cease to function in those bands that have been rebanded? Only Motorola systems. EDACS and LTR systems will be OK.
3) ... I understand the bands to be affected are: 851-861 MHz and 866-869 MHz
866-869 freqs. will move down 15MHz to the 851-854 range. 854-861 freqs. may or may not change.
 

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OK, I live up in Snohomish County and as far as rebanding goes the FCC would have to get our neighbors up to north to get on board with rebanding and thats years off. As there systems would overlap us so get your 97 and enjoy I have one and love it but my PSR-500 is better but the simple fact is in Snohomish you will not be able to use all of the great futures of it.I have 96,97,2051 the 500 and about 10 more.
 
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OK, I live up in Snohomish County and as far as rebanding goes the FCC would have to get our neighbors up to north to get on board with rebanding and thats years off. As there systems would overlap us so get your 97 and enjoy I have one and love it but my PSR-500 is better but the simple fact is in Snohomish you will not be able to use all of the great futures of it.I have 96,97,2051 the 500 and about 10 more.

Thanks for the info. Can I trouble you to tell me where I can get a fairly comprehensive list of the frequencies available for Snohomish County (specifically the South Everett area)? I have been searching to no avail.
 

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OK, I live up in Snohomish County and as far as rebanding goes the FCC would have to get our neighbors up to north to get on board with rebanding and thats years off. ... QUOTE]

Hey, that's great info. Perhaps you should let the 800MHz (Rebanding) Transition Administrator know about it.
http://www.800ta.org/content/800Mhz/call_sign.asp
You know what This has been brought up before, states that are within close proximity of our neighbors up north need to think about how our rebanding will work with there current systems, over lap so you might need to do some reading Dick.
 

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Thanks for the info. Can I trouble you to tell me where I can get a fairly comprehensive list of the frequencies available for Snohomish County (specifically the South Everett area)? I have been searching to no avail.
Well you are there, what we have here is very up to date.
 

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OK, I live up in Snohomish County and as far as rebanding goes the FCC would have to get our neighbors up to north to get on board with rebanding and thats years off. ... QUOTE]

Hey, that's great info. Perhaps you should let the 800MHz (Rebanding) Transition Administrator know about it.
http://www.800ta.org/content/800Mhz/call_sign.asp


And BOY they are running on that time line.
http://www.fcc.gov/pshs/public-safety-spectrum/800-MHz/reconfiguration-faqs.html
 
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