Everything NYPD encryption.

[rftechnyc]

Agreed!!

Encryption should ONLY be on tac channels and sensitive comms channels, NOT dispatch.

That'd be a great statement, but NYC doesnt operate that way... this isn't some LAPD tv show where they are always standing in a coffee shop and can casually step away and go over to a "secure channel".

Apps like citizen make people linger around jobs and encourages them to film for their 3 seconds of fame even on bull**** jobs. It just draws rubber neckers that feel the need to go check things out even though they wouldn't step in to help if needed.

Want to listen? Go work for them and be properly vetted.

 

[richee2000]

That'd be a great statement, but NYC doesnt operate that way... this isn't some LAPD tv show where they are always standing in a coffee shop and can casually step away and go over to a "secure channel".

Apps like citizen make people linger around jobs and encourages them to film for their 3 seconds of fame even on bull**** jobs. It just draws rubber neckers that feel the need to go check things out even though they wouldn't step in to help if needed.

Want to listen? Go work for them and be properly vetted.

Totally disagree. The press should have 100% availability to precinct dispatch channels in real time.

The public should have 100% availability to precinct dispatch channels, with a 30 minute delay if necessary.

That would be an alternative solution to my original suggestion of dispatching the clear with tac channels encrypted

Chicago Police department successfully instituted this program.

This has nothing to do with an LAPD TV show. Your view is from one perspective only.

100% encryption with zero availability to press and the public is totally unacceptable and will be vigorously opposed, in the legal system, if necessary...

 

[seagravebuff60]

Encryption in NYC bad.

 

[dave3825]

NYPD Chief Beltran was extremely insensitive, unresponsive, and obviously couldn't care less about The communities and the press concerns, and needs....

He didn't even stick around to face the community questions, or the press questions.... Huge mistake.

He is most likely just a puppet. Strings are being pulled higher up the chain.

 

[medic9351301]

Totally disagree. The press should have 100% availability to precinct dispatch channels in real time.

The public should have 100% availability to precinct dispatch channels, with a 30 minute delay if necessary.

I dont know what ur smoking or drinking . In a fanstsy world yes .

Tell me why you think 30 min delay would work for the press . I have worked in the media 30 mins is not going to cut it .

Also what good is a 30 min delay by then its history .

There is nothing to shoot after 30 mins but a bunch of cops standing around , If nypd wants the press to have full access they will prob allow them to buy a radio to have access.

What you fail to realize is they own the system and can control it. There is no law on any books that states a agency must provide access to them. Or mandates a agency encrypt . Its nypd fault that they did not go p 25 . They should have known when the cheap ham radios came on the market they were going to have issues.

Before u ask yes in my area pd's are using enc. I hate it but i cant do anything about it. Its the way it is now . The more you complain about it the more they going to do .

Do people complain about the fbi, secret service or dea being encrp. i have not seen any post about them . i could go on and on about this but i had better stop

 

[richee2000]

If you actually read my post it did not say anything about a 30-minute delay for the press.

I said instant access for the press.

Thank you for your opinion but I totally disagree with you

We have the entire power of the New York press and the New York media as well as the attorneys for ABC CBS NBC New York Post New York daily News, etc

We also have New York senators and New York City council members behind us.

Like I said, The press should have 100% instant access

The public should have 100% access with a 30 minute delay.

Chicago PD and others have successfully instituted these policies. NYPD can do the same

As much as you would like it, this issue is not going away.

We will continue to press the issue through whatever legal means is possible.

I am not smoking anything, as you mistakenly allege.

We are crystal clear in our effort to bring back police department transparency through clear dispatch of radio communications.

 

[rftechnyc]

The above proves this has nothing to do with transparency...this is all about butthurt photographers that might have to work for their money instead of driving around like lunatics trying to beat eachother for a picture.

 

[richee2000]

The above proves this has nothing to do with transparency...this is all about butthurt photographers that might have to work for their money instead of driving around like lunatics trying to beat eachother for a picture.

Wrong.

1. The press and the media should be able to have the ability to respond and report situations as they happen, unedited.

2. Citizens should be able to have access to situations and crimes in their neighborhoods where they live, unedited.

3. Encrypt all tac channels and sensitive communications channels. No public access or press access will be available on these channels.

The concept of Hidden police communications might work in small towns....

It's not going to work in New York City, and will only create further friction within New York City communities versus the NYPD.

The solutions I have outlined are obtainable and are reasonable.

1. Give the press instant access

2. Give the public access with a 30 minute delay.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with either of these suggestions, and will ensure officer safety, and security.

 

[medic9351301]

Totally disagree. The press should have 100% availability to precinct dispatch channels in real time.

The public should have 100% availability to precinct dispatch channels, with a 30 minute delay if necessary.

I dont know what ur smoking or drinking . In a fanstsy world yes .

Tell me why you think 30 min delay would work for the press . I have worked in the media 30 mins is not going to cut it .

Also what good is a 30 min delay by then its history .

There is nothing to shoot after 30 mins but a bunch of cops standing around , If nypd wants the press to have full access they will prob allow them to buy a radio to have access.

What you fail to realize is they own the system and can control it. There is no law on any books that states a agency must provide access to them. Or mandates a agency encrypt . Its nypd fault that they did not go p 25 . They should have known when the cheap ham radios came on the market they were going to have issues.

Before u ask yes in my area pd's are using enc. I hate it but i cant do anything about it. Its the way it is now . The more you complain about it the more they going to do .

Do people complain about the fbi, secret service or dea being encrp. i have not seen any post about them . i could go on and on about this but i had better stop

 

[rftechnyc]

Wrong.

1. The press and the media should be able to have the ability to respond and report situations as they happen, unedited.

2. Citizens should be able to have access to situations and crimes in their neighborhoods where they live, unedited.

3. Encrypt all tac channels and sensitive communications channels. No public access or press access will be available on these channels.

The concept of Hidden police communications might work in small towns....

It's not going to work in New York City, and will only create further friction within New York City communities versus the NYPD.

The solutions I have outlined are obtainable and are reasonable.

1. Give the press instant access

2. Give the public access with a 30 minute delay.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with either of these suggestions, and will ensure officer safety, and security.

So what defines press? Everyone with propaganda website calls themself the press...

Are you ok with background checks for press to prove they belong to an actual organized media outlet and a restructuring of the credential process so that sensitive information can be handled by responsible individuals?

 

[medic9351301]

So what defines press? Everyone with propaganda website calls themself the press...

Are you ok with background checks for press to prove they belong to an actual organized media outlet and a restructuring of the credential process so that sensitive information can be handled by responsible individuals?

good point

 

[richee2000]

So what defines press? Everyone with propaganda website calls themself the press...

Are you ok with background checks for press to prove they belong to an actual organized media outlet and a restructuring of the credential process so that sensitive information can be handled by responsible individuals?

Absolutely. All press given 100% instant and immediate access with no delay must be recognized national and local media, with total vetting

 

[medic9351301]

Absolutely. All press given 100% instant and immediate access with no delay must be recognized national and local media, with total vetting
define local media . cause stringers, and citizen news groups are not media

 

[ff026]

Can we just lock this thread as it’s gone the way of other encryption post’s on this board. We’ve delved into the why’s and why not’s which is moot and boring. Instead of reporting on what zones are in the clear and what zones are not.

 

[medic9351301]

" Give the public access with a 30 minute delay"
What good is a delay of less than 5 mins ?
You really think nypd and the city is going to buckle to a bunch of suits. Thats going to get paid regardless of the outcome.
Would ther be this much drama if nypd had switched to a nexedge or dmr system? nypd fixed the issue and people dont like what they did .
I bet since they are going fully enc the radios are all ready programed. Who is going to pay to have them reprogramed?
All it comes down to is people are mad cause they cant take change .

 

[richee2000]

Can we just lock this thread as it’s gone the way of other encryption post’s on this board. We’ve delved into the why’s and why not’s which is moot and boring. Instead of reporting on what zones are in the clear and what zones are not.

This is the thread for "everything NYPD encryption" which includes rants and raves.... That is the purpose of this thread... Why do you want to silence those you might not agree with?

 

[richee2000]

" Give the public access with a 30 minute delay"
What good is a delay of less than 5 mins ?
You really think nypd and the city is going to buckle to a bunch of suits. Thats going to get paid regardless of the outcome.
Would ther be this much drama if nypd had switched to a nexedge or dmr system? nypd fixed the issue and people dont like what they did .
I bet since they are going fully enc the radios are all ready programed. Who is going to pay to have them reprogramed?
All it comes down to is people are mad cause they cant take change .

You misunderstood the purpose and technical aspect of this concept.

Chicago PD is totally encrypted.

They offer the public 30 minute delayed totally clear unencrypted communications to the public via the broadcastify app. It's not being provided through scanner enthusiasts or link providers. It's being being provided through the police department, with no reprogramming of any radios required.

 

[richee2000]

Our solutions give the NYPD the officer safety, security, with no interference from outside sources that they require, while allowing the press instant access, and the public delayed access for officer safety....

We will continue to advocate for these solutions through legal means.

 

[medic9351301]

dude :
i know that .
all i am asking which you will not answer is what is good about a 30 min delay.
what does this accomplish?
its like why do you want to hear something thats all ready happend.
Is it like going back to the future to see what u missed or something.

 

[richee2000]

Dude:

a 30 minute delay is required for officer safety and does not allow the perpetrators to monitor police communications as they happen.

However, The general public is still informed of what is actually happening in their neighborhoods, unedited... But with a delay.

Nothing wrong with that.

This is a totally understandable and reasonable compromise and there is no good reason this should not happen