Everything NYPD encryption.

medic9351301

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Dude, relax.

Get off you high horse.
me or him lol . i am just asking questions and stating fakes . i dont care what nypd does . my city did the encp thing and i have to live with it cause i cant do anything about it lol
 

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Can we just lock this thread as it’s gone the way of other encryption post’s on this board. We’ve delved into the why’s and why not’s which is moot and boring. Instead of reporting on what zones are in the clear and what zones are not.
 

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No one's throwing money away.

We have financial backing of television networks, cable networks, radio networks, print media, neighborhood watch groups, community organizations, and of course we have the backing of the New York City council and New York State senatorial representation that is introducing a bill to make encryption in New York State illegal on police dispatch channels....

Legal representatives of these media firms are already involved

We're not worried.
 

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No one's throwing money away.

We have financial backing of television networks, cable networks, radio networks, print media, neighborhood watch groups, community organizations, and of course we have the backing of the New York City council and New York State senatorial representation that is introducing a bill to make encryption in New York State illegal on police dispatch channels....

Legal representatives of these media firms are already involved

We're not worried.


😂😂
 

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Clear comms on routine police dispatch frequencies are needed to ensure the transparency the public has a right to have. If interference from cheap radios is a problem then migrate to a digital trunking system.
The fact that police management hasn’t produced any cases where bad actors used real time police radio information to attempt to comment crimes, tells us that encrypting is not a benefit because it does not prevent crime. Encryption will not stop crimes of passion (murder rape assault etc). Theft of property were you hope to get away with something is the only area that a bad actor might want a police scanner’s help, but we all know that the police are not giving away their whereabouts and there could be units that don’t identify themselves unless they need to. Critical Thinking is needed here to combat the unsubstantiated claims that police brass use to defend encryption.
 

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Clear comms on routine police dispatch frequencies are needed to ensure the transparency the public has a right to have. If interference from cheap radios is a problem then migrate to a digital trunking system.
The fact that police management hasn’t produced any cases where bad actors used real time police radio information to attempt to comment crimes, tells us that encrypting is not a benefit because it does not prevent crime. Encryption will not stop crimes of passion (murder rape assault etc). Theft of property were you hope to get away with something is the only area that a bad actor might want a police scanner’s help, but we all know that the police are not giving away their whereabouts and there could be units that don’t identify themselves unless they need to. Critical Thinking is needed here to combat the unsubstantiated claims that police brass use to defend encryption.
I guess i just imagined when you news buffs had all over the reporting of the active shooter in maine last month - "they believe he is using police scanners to outmaneuver law enforcement"

Or the college shooter before that - a quote from the media "its a shame that the public can easily hear these frightening reports on the police radios"

Those who live in their own self interests hide behind trigger words like transparency... until the above happens...

Not your licensed frequency, not your right to say what happens with it...
 

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I guess i just imagined when you news buffs had all over the reporting of the active shooter in maine last month - "they believe he is using police scanners to outmaneuver law enforcement"

Or the college shooter before that - a quote from the media "its a shame that the public can easily hear these frightening reports on the police radios"

Those who live in their own self interests hide behind trigger words like transparency... until the above happens...

Not your licensed frequency, not your right to say what happens with it...


Amen brother.
 

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Like I said.... Nothing wrong with encrypted tac channels, for sensitive communications....

Brother.....

Your oversimplified description of police radio communications, and the situation at hand is interesting....

I have forgotten more about radio communications, police work and police radio communications then you may have ever known.
 

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Apx8000, this problem cannot be solved so simply... It's not going to be one simple lawsuit where there is a winner and a loser.

First of all, NYPD encryption Will not be completed until late 2024.

This is an evolving situation.

My prediction is eventually, with some lawsuits, a lot of hard work, community activism, press involvement, there will eventually be a compromise where there will be some sort of arrangement on a limited basis, where the press have access, and the public has a delayed access to precinct communications.

But, No one is trying to stop encryption.

This compromise and solution might happen sometime in 2025.

Stay tuned....
 

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Clear comms on routine police dispatch frequencies are needed to ensure the transparency the public has a right to have. If interference from cheap radios is a problem then migrate to a digital trunking system.
The fact that police management hasn’t produced any cases where bad actors used real time police radio information to attempt to comment crimes, tells us that encrypting is not a benefit because it does not prevent crime. Encryption will not stop crimes of passion (murder rape assault etc). Theft of property were you hope to get away with something is the only area that a bad actor might want a police scanner’s help, but we all know that the police are not giving away their whereabouts and there could be units that don’t identify themselves unless they need to. Critical Thinking is needed here to combat the unsubstantiated claims that police brass use to defend encryption.


I’ll bite here’s one early 2000’s an organized group is doing burglaries in Jerome Ave. They would trip the alarm and listen for a sector assigned and response. They would do it for days and days till it became routine and marked 90N3 ground level secure. Sometimes they would trip it and then call in a man with a gun or bogus 10-13 so the 10-11 would be put on a units queue. They only got caught because of crack police work and luck.
 

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Not so sure about that my friend. I've been working with communications systems, and local police departments since since the early '70s.
I'll take @ff026's experience and knowledge over just about anyone's around here. Some guys talk the talk, other guys like @ff026 and @APX8000 have walked the walk for a long time. Yes, they have both forgotten more about real world law enforcement and communications related to that job than some of the chronic posters will ever really understand. It's easy to opine from the outside looking in.
 

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I'll take @ff026's experience and knowledge over just about anyone's around here. Some guys talk the talk, other guys like @ff026 and @APX8000 have walked the walk for a long time. Yes, they have both forgotten more about real world law enforcement and communications related to that job than some of the chronic posters will ever really understand. It's easy to opine from the outside looking in.
Easy to say when you have no knowledge of anyone elses history in police comms
 
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