Everything NYPD encryption.
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richee2000
Communications Professional
This is a start..
Glad to see Sen also in agreement
call your sen reps tell them vote for this bill in March
richee2000
Communications Professional
New York City is like no other city in America.
NYPD Chief Beltran was extremely insensitive, unresponsive, and obviously couldn't care less about The communities and the press concerns, and needs.... This is going to backfire on NYPD. He didn't even stick around to face the community questions, or the press questions.... Huge mistake.
There is huge pushback from senators, New York City council members, attorneys, a huge amount of members from the press, community activists, community members, and citizens who are concerned about safety in their neighborhoods.
In addition, The citizens app in New York City will have to close down, and mark my word that's not going to happen...
NYPD is trying to control the narrative and they're going to lose on this issue.
This is just the start.....
Call your congress people call your senators call your city council people, form community groups call the media call the mayor's office....
Express your desire to keep NYPD precinct communications in the clear.... Even if there's a 30 minute delay it's better than nothing....
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GadgetGeek
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So NYPD claims that crime is down in Brooklyn North BECAUSE of encryption. That's a good one...
richee2000
Communications Professional
Hilarious!!!! No one actually believes this BS
richee2000
Communications Professional
City Council hold hearing on encryption of NYPD radio broadcasts
"There are ways to protect against the things police are worried about while still maintaining access to this information," said State Sen. Michael Gianaris.
abc7ny.com
Fact is; if the news media isn’t somehow enabled to monitor NYPD routine comms (as opposed to surveillance and etc), that is problematic, as it denies the public access to what is going on with the PD that they are paying taxes for and who are serving US (we don’t “serve” THEM!). If I can’t personally monitor the PD, I’m ok with that, so long as the press is still able to.
richee2000
Communications Professional
At the hearing, Chief Beltran told us that radio communications are the most important tool that The NYPD has. He already established the continuing need and importance of voice radio communications for all MOS
You can thank the 2020 summer of love for being the final straw. The amount of unauthorized/malicious transmissions being too many to count.
Is there a way to authenticate a radio on a conventional system like there is on trunking?
Not that the authentication couldn't be bypassed as we see on trunking systems but it would definitely cut down on the Chinese junk radios causing problems.
Regardless of the interference issues, the decision to lock down the comms is what the brass wants to do.
Yes very simply, by running ÆS encryption
Yea but if i want to program up an XTS5000 and run my own encryption, i can still cause interference. Im not familiar with the new P25 infrastructure to know if it has some sort of RAS feature like the trbo repeaters have.
Yes there is, Motorola ASTRO Radio Authentication. Works all the way back to XTS/XTL line on both trunking and conventional P25 systems. The new COMIRS MA State Police System will be running it, in lieu of rolling out a bunch of ENC. Plans are only for a few additional talkgroups that will be AES 256. Generate auth key with a KVL Keyloader (just like ENC keys but not the same), auth key gets put in a database and you can set the system to only allow authenticated radios to transmit in. Unauthorized access can be taken care of without shutting people out of listening by passively scanning the system.
Like many, I'm ALL FOR encryption for many many things. I just dont think routine dispatch needs to be ENC. As a sworn LE Officer and a radio system administrator for my depts system + having subscribers on a statewide trunking system and dabbling in that a bit, I think it puts unnecessary barriers between the public and the police. Encryption blatantly states "you are the enemy" to grandma who has listened to her scanner on the kitchen table for 70 years. I'm in tune with all the "modern" issues. I get the streaming apps that are causing 98% of the pro ENC wave, etc but still dont agree with it. My ideal big city system would have plenty of ENC Channels/TGs and the threshold for using them/moving an "event"/protest whatever you want to call it over to a dedicated ENC would be quite low. Even remotely expecting trouble, sure go ahead and ENC. Dispatch would be partial ENC with a majority clear but dispatch and officers in field can use at their reasonable discretion. Hearing things like "the roads are starting to ice up", "theres an active incident on Sesame St", "there were a bunch of car breaks over there last night" is valuable info to the public which can be used to make decisions that presents no real advantage to bad actors if intercepted. In a natural disaster for example, you better believe that I think people have a right to be able to monitor their public safety providers as a means of real time, potentially life critical information. Twitter wont be working, newspapers wont be out, power out, the whole 9 yards. But a radio and a small reserve of batteries can take you quite far in the info game. Or not when you get people that want to encrypt Police, FIRE (how crazy), DPW, the dog catcher, the school bus, etc, etc. Its really gone too far in many places of the world.
I get all the "where does it stop" kind of arguments as well when the LTE only concept is brought into play. Or the "do you think you should be allowed to listen to the PDs phone calls?" arguments. It is an interesting debate however, I boil it down like this: public safety comms are generally "one to many" as opposed to "one to one" for a reason. Public Safety Business would be quite inefficient if handled by phone calls between only 2 people for example. The one to many concept needs to exist in operational comms and I for one believe that the public should be entitled to much of that traffic.
Dont get me started on the media issue. They are not trustworthy either, them getting it and public shut out is just as bad if not worse than nothing.
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richee2000
Communications Professional
Agreed!!
Encryption should ONLY be on tac channels and sensitive comms channels, NOT dispatch.
Encryption should ONLY be on tac channels and sensitive comms channels, NOT dispatch.
