I'm not sure where you heard that, but it's incorrect. The entire APX line is fully capable of analog in any band. In fact, you have to pay for the features to make it P25 and/or trunking capable, else you have a very expensive radio that is capable of conventional analog only.
Everything NYPD encryption.
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Oh! You want it to work also?? Open the checkbook. 😋
Hey, don't laugh...I know a fire dept that purchased a few APX 8000's assuming they would work on the neighboring county's 700 TDMA system, only to discover that apparently nobody bothered to discuss usage requirements with the dealer, and so they wound up with only the UHF band provisioned, and conventional analog only. Very expensive fireground radios, essentially. And of course it was more money per feature to order the flash upgrades vs if they had ordered the radio with the needed options from the get go. 🤦♂️
JethrowJohnson
I love P25
Well that sucks. I thought the APXs were all-band.
And whatever you do, DO NOT order with”no encryption”. It can be fixed, but it takes favors or a friendly ST with the right privileges.
The NEXT and 8000/8500 are, but each band costs.
City agencies don't use half of the radio circuits they have and nobody is really keeping track of the ones they have. They can trim the fat off the budget but nobody wants to put in the work. On top of that the prices of the radios/equipment that they buy are inflated by %10-%20 depending on the contractual agreements. A certain city agency spends 12k a pop for each radio they buy.
Please for the love of god fix the alarms on the ARCS
Lets hope all of the new encrypted radios didn't go up in smoke in the storage facility fire today 
www.cbsnews.com
At least 8 injured as fire tears through NYPD storage facility in Red Hook, Brooklyn
Officials say the facility stored DNA evidence, some dating back decades.
www.cbsnews.com
Lets hope all of the new encrypted radios didn't go up in smoke in the storage facility fire today
At least 8 injured as fire tears through NYPD storage facility in Red Hook, Brooklyn
Officials say the facility stored DNA evidence, some dating back decades.
Not a radio storage facility, unless the radio is evidence in a case. But A LOT of evidence was lost. There's going to beajor fallout from this fire.
Everyone is all upset because, in their minds, police departments like the NYPD are considering encryption are doing so only to screw them personally, the "scanner hobbyist," or to "coverup" some type of misdeeds by the PD.
Comparing your police department in "East Cupcake" somewhere to the NYPD is ludicrous.
During the Summer of 2020 Riots, NYC was under riot conditions as bad as, if not worse, than the 1960s and 70s. During those 2020 riots, the intentional radio interference and false radio runs for "assists," "shots fired," etc., caused MAJOR problems, directing scarce resources to malicious radio transmissions. That, plus the frequent (and long-term) "keying up" of radios forcing, at one point, to have an entire detail of cops (sometimes numbering in the hundreds) to switch to another channel, a difficult, and "hit-and-miss," task under the environment they were in.
The only solution for that is to use encryption. It's something whose time has come, certainly for a PD like the NYPD, and it's not going away anytime soon, or ever.
Taking it as a personal affront against you, the owners of new $700 radio, while unfortunate, is more of a comment upon yourself than the situation.
Get over it......
Comparing your police department in "East Cupcake" somewhere to the NYPD is ludicrous.
During the Summer of 2020 Riots, NYC was under riot conditions as bad as, if not worse, than the 1960s and 70s. During those 2020 riots, the intentional radio interference and false radio runs for "assists," "shots fired," etc., caused MAJOR problems, directing scarce resources to malicious radio transmissions. That, plus the frequent (and long-term) "keying up" of radios forcing, at one point, to have an entire detail of cops (sometimes numbering in the hundreds) to switch to another channel, a difficult, and "hit-and-miss," task under the environment they were in.
The only solution for that is to use encryption. It's something whose time has come, certainly for a PD like the NYPD, and it's not going away anytime soon, or ever.
Taking it as a personal affront against you, the owners of new $700 radio, while unfortunate, is more of a comment upon yourself than the situation.
Get over it......
Danny37
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While I agree with most of what you're saying. The encryption was decided way before the 2020 riots. And the "key ups" are usually caused by other UMOS who either lean on their radios or whatever other reason. Listen to any big citywide detail and you'll hear keyups
That's usually true, but during the riots it was malicious intent; not the usually "stuck mic button," but continuous clicking of the mic, etc., and for a long time, and all night.
The best I would offer the "scanner hobbyists" is that the "important" frequencies will be encrypted (SOD, CW1, 2, possibly 3), with the precinct radios remaining in the clear. And even with that, the option of switching to an encrypted channel, possibly upon turning out at the start of a tour when the s*** is hitting the fan within a precinct, etc., would most likely be possible.
Excellent post. No lack of A=holes who get off on jamming NYPD.
My local agency (largest in the state) uses a digital unencrypted system and has never had an issue with non-sworn people transmitting. That would be extremely technically challenging, if not impossible to do. The NYPD’s problem is that they use an (almost) entirely analog system, which anyone with a $20 Baofeng can access, not only to listen, but also to (illegally) transmit. There’s a large gap, in my opinion, between upgrading a system to prevent malicious transmissions, and encryption.
richee2000
Communications Professional
Well Said!! TOTALLY agree. P25 Digital with Dispatch in the Clear is the way to go.....With Tac channels Encrypted..... This way, you satisfy Transparency, Security, Public Awareness, Press availablity, And Stopping Illegal Transmitters. The subject of Full Time Encryption is far from a dead issue. The Horse is alive and well..... Just look at the cities in California that have done away with full time E , after public outcry..... its not just about "scanner hobbyists"
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That's easier said than done....for NYC.
NYC is...and will be, for quite awhile...in a dire financial situation, equal to, or worse than, the 1970s, when thousands of cops and firemen...among other city employees...were laid off (the 4,000 was only the beginning) ......
Changing the entire radio system for the entire NYPD is, for all intents and purposes, out of the question.
Let's remember that when everyone was required to narrowband their radio systems, the NYPD sought, and got, a waiver from the FCC from doing so, solely on the expense of it all.
The number of repeaters and local receivers alone throughout the city solely for the NYPD would astound the "East Cupcake" crowd, making the cost of conversion prohibitive.
hitechRadio
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I always find it interesting the argument against encryption,,seems the favorite among the NOENC guys is "transparency"!...But then in the same breath,, "But I'm OK with encryption on TAC channels"!!!
richee2000
Communications Professional
IMO, Every LE agency should have Encryption available on Non dispatch secure TAC channels, for sensitive comms..... No one is arguing against that. As far as budget, NY City is spending $500 Million to upgrade, according to reporting. So, "Where's the money?"
richee2000
Communications Professional
Critics say encryption of police scanners in Chicago puts public safety at risk
Each police radio zone is composed of one or two police districts. At least nine zones have been encrypted as of May of this year – so now residents cannot tune in.
www.cbsnews.com
