Everything NYPD encryption.

[pro106import]

Anybody with even a little knowledge of how RF works knows that P25 encryption, or encryption alone, cannot prevent jamming. Yes you won't be able to "hear" the malicious results, but the end result remains the same.

 

[n2nov]

Anybody with even a little knowledge of how RF works knows that P25 encryption, or encryption alone, cannot prevent jamming. Yes you won't be able to "hear" the malicious results, but the end result remains the same.

Think FM capture effect. Any analog, 100% duty cycle, FM signal sitting on the input of any repeater will capture the receiver if it is close and strong enough to block any other incoming digital and/or encrypted signal. As Scotty would say, "you can't change the laws of physics".

 

[APX8000]

I always find it interesting the argument against encryption,,seems the favorite among the NOENC guys is "transparency"!...But then in the same breath,, "But I'm OK with encryption on TAC channels"!!!

How do you find that interesting? Comparing an encrypted tac used by a SWAT/SRT as an example, vs. a Fire Department getting dispatched to a false alarm....you think these fall into the same category ?

 

[PD47JD]

How do you find that interesting? Comparing an encrypted tac used by a SWAT/SRT as an example, vs. a Fire Department getting dispatched to a false alarm....you think these fall into the same category ?

Ye Gads Already!

 

[richee2000]

"Encryption-Gate"

 

[IFRIED91]

Also in case anyone was curious the encrypted channels programmed into currently issued APX900s don’t work…

 

[IFRIED91]

i beg to differ. also the Mirrored zones in select APX900s in the field encryption works over CW4, as well as Detective Citywide 2. I’ve seen some that work and some that won’t work. Citywide 4 has consistently switched between p25 and analog due to the recent spike in car chases going borough to borough. I have about 20 minutes of audio from a pursuit that spilled into the Bronx from Queens over CW4. The voters also don’t mute the MDC like almost all other zones do.

CarlosMDC1200… haha I like the username

 

[N9EXR66]

How do you find that interesting? Comparing an encrypted tac used by a SWAT/SRT as an example, vs. a Fire Department getting dispatched to a false alarm....you think these fall into the same category ?

What part of NO ENCRYPTION don't you UNDERSTAND?!?!?!?!

 

[APX8000]

What part of NO ENCRYPTION don't you UNDERSTAND?!?!?!?!

1) Don't raise your voice to me or I'll internet smack you across your virtual face with ALL CAPS IN MY ENTIRE MESSAGE.
2) WTF are you talking about ?

 

[FIREBIRD]

WHY, WHAT ARE THEY HIDING ? BIDENS FAULT

 

[hitechRadio]

How do you find that interesting? Comparing an encrypted tac used by a SWAT/SRT as an example, vs. a Fire Department getting dispatched to a false alarm....you think these fall into the same category ?

I am looking at it from a scanner users point of view.
How can they be against encryption, but ok with encryption on "special channels/talkgroups". Especially when they use the "It's for Transparency" reasoning? Kind of an oxymoron IMO.......Seems to me scanner land would want to hear "everything", for "transparency" reasons.
That is why I said "I always find it interesting". I was not comparing PD to Fire, I was being in general. You came up with the SWAT fire comparison.
Do you think it is kind of oxymoronic also??

 

[Danny37]

Hearing traffic on Tac G in Manhattan. Think it might be Hercules, as I heard them reference “the outriders.”

Just an FYI: it's not a good idea to post what you're hearing on a tactical channel

 

[APX8000]

I am looking at it from a scanner users point of view.How can they be against encryption, but ok with encryption on "special channels/talkgroups". Especially when they use the "It's for Transparency" reasoning? Kind of an oxymoron IMO.......Seems to me scanner land would want to hear "everything", for "transparency" reasons. That is why I said "I always find it interesting". I was not comparing PD to Fire, I was being in general. You came up with the SWAT fire comparison. Do you think it is kind of oxymoronic also??

Ok, I see your point and I get your argument. I used Fire and SWAT/SRT as a comparison because when you say "all" its literally putting the aforesaid "all" in the same category. So, I can only offer my opinion here. I think most scanner hobbyists recognize that there are just some communications that should be secure (think FBI doing surveillance on a possible terrorist). I don't think anyone will argue that they should have the ability to monitor those comms right ? So, that same thought process can be applied to other things like SWAT/SRT, spec ops, narcotics, etc. As someone who uses encryption everyday, those tactical comms should absolutely be encrypted for numerous reasons which we can discuss offline. So to me, the transparency argument applies to all those main dispatch channels only, whether it be Police or Fire or EMS, but not all comms like my FBI example. I personally believe that Joe citizen should be able to know that a road is closed due to an accident or there was a burglary around the block from his house. The majority of these main dispatch comms are just the everyday call for service. And when you encrypt these everyday call for service comms (not that any call is routine), the public gets the impression that you are hiding something. Me personally, I would want the public listening to how hard my agency is working on a daily basis. But that's where the transparency argument applies in my opinion.

 

[thunderr10]

Love it, more moaning sods gona be crying that their rites are being denied by not being allowed live access to PD comms.

Citizens paid for it. Didn't see any problems listening to my scanners over the decades and decades I've been listening. A few encrypted tactical channels should suffice. Not to mention the MDTs and cell phones. They don't need to hide their normal day to day communications. That's the way they do it here in Chester County, PA, and everything works out for everybody. And if they are concerned about apps, they could pass a law that the communication has be on a certain amount of time delay.

 

[somedude26]

This won't stop those who really want to listen, digital modes have a major vulnerability, If the radio detects a bad quality control channel, it falls backs to regular digital non encrypted so that the communications can still hold, Knowing this all one needs to do if near a cop car in constant communications with control channel, All you need to know is the frequencies for your area and use a Hackrf sdr to transmit *noise* on the side bands, This creates a semi interference zone that can go out about 100 meters or so, The police does not notice a loss of communication quality, This is weak signal and won't wipe out the control channel but is just enough to locally make their radios digital encryption mode to off for the duration of the conversation as the system detects possible high packet loss and goes to fail safe mode, the channel is in the clear, So all you need to do is listen in locally with another rtl sdr dongle and just decode the digital mode and you hear the conversation.

 

[KevinC]

This won't stop those who really want to listen, digital modes have a major vulnerability, If the radio detects a bad quality control channel, it falls backs to regular digital non encrypted so that the communications can still hold, Knowing this all one needs to do if near a cop car in constant communications with control channel, All you need to know is the frequencies for your area and use a Hackrf sdr to transmit *noise* on the side bands, This creates a semi interference zone that can go out about 100 meters or so, The police does not notice a loss of communication quality, This is weak signal and won't wipe out the control channel but is just enough to locally make their radios digital encryption mode to off for the duration of the conversation as the system detects possible high packet loss and goes to fail safe mode, the channel is in the clear, So all you need to do is listen in locally with another rtl sdr dongle and just decode the digital mode and you hear the conversation.

Umm…no.

 

[slayer23]

This won't stop those who really want to listen, digital modes have a major vulnerability, If the radio detects a bad quality control channel, it falls backs to regular digital non encrypted so that the communications can still hold, Knowing this all one needs to do if near a cop car in constant communications with control channel, All you need to know is the frequencies for your area and use a Hackrf sdr to transmit *noise* on the side bands, This creates a semi interference zone that can go out about 100 meters or so, The police does not notice a loss of communication quality, This is weak signal and won't wipe out the control channel but is just enough to locally make their radios digital encryption mode to off for the duration of the conversation as the system detects possible high packet loss and goes to fail safe mode, the channel is in the clear, So all you need to do is listen in locally with another rtl sdr dongle and just decode the digital mode and you hear the conversation.

lolwat

 

[hitechRadio]

This won't stop those who really want to listen, digital modes have a major vulnerability, If the radio detects a bad quality control channel, it falls backs to regular digital non encrypted so that the communications can still hold, Knowing this all one needs to do if near a cop car in constant communications with control channel, All you need to know is the frequencies for your area and use a Hackrf sdr to transmit *noise* on the side bands, This creates a semi interference zone that can go out about 100 meters or so, The police does not notice a loss of communication quality, This is weak signal and won't wipe out the control channel but is just enough to locally make their radios digital encryption mode to off for the duration of the conversation as the system detects possible high packet loss and goes to fail safe mode, the channel is in the clear, So all you need to do is listen in locally with another rtl sdr dongle and just decode the digital mode and you hear the conversation.

This comment reminds of the movie Billy Madison.

"Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

 

[richee2000]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

 

[ff026]

This won't stop those who really want to listen, digital modes have a major vulnerability, If the radio detects a bad quality control channel, it falls backs to regular digital non encrypted so that the communications can still hold, Knowing this all one needs to do if near a cop car in constant communications with control channel, All you need to know is the frequencies for your area and use a Hackrf sdr to transmit *noise* on the side bands, This creates a semi interference zone that can go out about 100 meters or so, The police does not notice a loss of communication quality, This is weak signal and won't wipe out the control channel but is just enough to locally make their radios digital encryption mode to off for the duration of the conversation as the system detects possible high packet loss and goes to fail safe mode, the channel is in the clear, So all you need to do is listen in locally with another rtl sdr dongle and just decode the digital mode and you hear the conversation.

I’ve read some dumb stuff in my life, this ranks up in my top 3!