Greater Cleveland Radio Communication Network

[KWs]

Seems extra loud and clear for me now listening from Kent today .. maybe weather conditions ...

 

[kf8yk]

Seems extra loud and clear for me now listening from Kent today .. maybe weather conditions ...

Maybe the Chagrin Falls site is finally operational.

 

[SCPD]

Seems extra loud and clear for me now listening from Kent today .. maybe weather conditions ...

Signal is dropping now. Was 700, now 500. Pretty short haul for condx.

Maybe the Chagrin Falls site is finally operational.

Is there a way to determine which site one is actually hearing in a simulcast system?

 

[wa8pyr]

Signal is dropping now. Was 700, now 500. Pretty short haul for condx.

Is there a way to determine which site one is actually hearing in a simulcast system?

Short of using some very sophisticated tools, no. You're most likely hearing the closest tower (per the capture effect), but that can change sometimes given atmospheric conditions, which can cause the signal from a more distant tower to be stronger from time to time.

 

[Daleb49]

What I don't understand is I get all of the Cleveland stuff loud and very clear about 95% of the time and during the same reception time the west side cities that have moved on to the system come and go and I get them very clear about 45% of the time. Wouldn't they be on the same tower. I'm close to the N.Royalton tower. Brook Park and N.Royalton come and go all the time. Middleburg fire is pretty good most of the time. Just wondering if anybody knows why this happens. Also I don't get many radio ID's from the West side groups either.

 

[k8zgw]

LISTENING TO CCRCN

I really don't want to state the obvious but :

It gets a little tricky listening to a simulcast system if
you are in a place where you can hear more then one site
marginally enough so that your scanner will not be "captured"
by a stronger. This is why it is important to know the location
of all the sites in a simulcast system.

As near as I can tell, these are the site locations:


1 821 SCHAAF RD
2 2502 MARTIN LUTHER KING BLVD
3 3985 W 130 ST
4 1215 W 3RD ST
5 1300 CHARDON RD
6 4402 OAKES RD
7 2001 Payne Ave
3775 PARK E DR
1500 ROCKY RIVER DR
2800 Ranney Parkway
9621 York Alpha Drive
18900 Boston Road
6800 Durham Road (#307321)
7560 Chagrin Rd

While I don't know where all these locations are, I do know most of them.
and the rest of you should know where the closest sites to you are.

Don

 

[a388sig2]

What I don't understand is I get all of the Cleveland stuff loud and very clear about 95% of the time and during the same reception time the west side cities that have moved on to the system come and go and I get them very clear about 45% of the time. Wouldn't they be on the same tower. I'm close to the N.Royalton tower. Brook Park and N.Royalton come and go all the time. Middleburg fire is pretty good most of the time. Just wondering if anybody knows why this happens. Also I don't get many radio ID's from the West side groups either.

Dumb question, but are the users from the former SWRCN towns automatically hitting the simulcast towers? Or are they still affiliating only with SWRCN, until they leave the area then hit a simulcast tower?

Is it possible the system is split between traditional towers in the SW side, but simulcast for the rest of the city?

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Unrelated I was picking up city of Cleveland traffic 5x5 on my ride home from CAK on 77 at Arlington in Akron tonight with a PSR800 and RatShack 800Mhz antenna.

 

[wa8pyr]

Dumb question, but are the users from the former SWRCN towns automatically hitting the simulcast towers? Or are they still affiliating only with SWRCN, until they leave the area then hit a simulcast tower?

Is it possible the system is split between traditional towers in the SW side, but simulcast for the rest of the city?.

Both SWRCN (Type II) and Cleveland (P25) are simulcast systems, but roaming directly from one to the other is not possible since they're different system types. It would require that a user manually change talkgroups on the radio.

Motorola does sell an option called SmartX which allows cross-platform communication, but manual switching from one system to the other is still necessary. SmartX is essentially a glorified crosspatch device, and will only be supported for about another year.

 

[budevans]

Dumb question, but are the users from the former SWRCN towns automatically hitting the simulcast towers? Or are they still affiliating only with SWRCN, until they leave the area then hit a simulcast tower?

Is it possible the system is split between traditional towers in the SW side, but simulcast for the rest of the city?

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Unrelated I was picking up city of Cleveland traffic 5x5 on my ride home from CAK on 77 at Arlington in Akron tonight with a PSR800 and RatShack 800Mhz antenna.

Regarding good reception on i77 in Akron, Cleveland's Brecksville tower is most likely the answer. The Brecksville tower is located close to the southern border of Cuyahoga County, near I77 at one of the higher locations in the county.

Regarding the SWRCN communities, I believe (but not positive) that Strongsville PD/Fire are the last users still on the SWRCN (Moto type II) system. If that's true, then it's possible that the GCRCN system hasn't been turned up or is running at a reduced output on the Strongsville tower (actually pole). Having two 800 Mhz systems on the same tower could be an issue.

 

[davidzimmerman]

from what i got Strongsville will be moving soon something was up with their FCC License so time will tell.

 

[KWs]

Just for info on the original question about reception from SW suburbs .. I too get the same results .. Cleve Fire (primary listening TGs for me) comes in loud and clear most of the time (with occasion simulcast issues) but radio traffic from SW suburbs is hit and miss. Listening from Kent, no idea what tower I'm receiving.

 

[tylerwatt12]

I live in the SW suburbs. Decodes from my area are copyable and sometimes spotty. When I listen to Cleveland they're crystal clear. I think its an issue everywhere.

 

[Daleb49]

Just wanted to thank all of you who put your 2 cents in on the reception issue. I just hope when Strongsville goes over and the old system is shut down things will improve.
I did boost the audio setting using Win 500 on my Pro 106 and it did help things sound better.

 

[oozlefinch]

Maybe the following will help or confuse us more
Strongsville may provide emergency-dispatch services to North Royalton | cleveland.com

 

[budevans]

Encrypted traffic on two new TG's.

Since Monday I've seen Encrypted traffic on the following TG's.

TG56375 encrypted traffic, radio id's 1869xxx (Brook Park?).

TG56400 encrypted traffic, radio id's 1870xxx (Middleburg Hts?).

 

[tylerwatt12]

Today I heard radiotesting. A new console showed up and identified as 'East Cleveland Dispatch' RID 1048

 

[budevans]

East Cleveland Radio Check

Today I heard radiotesting. A new console showed up and identified as 'East Cleveland Dispatch' RID 1048

I also monitored East Cleveland's radio check, on TG56516. The console radio id was 1048 and the responding radio's id was 1865xxx.

Regarding TG56516, my notes show several prior radio check's on this TG with Strongsville radio id's 1877xxx.

 

[k8zgw]

could TG56516 be a "test" TG?
If Strongsville used it and now E.Cleve is using it ??

 

[eorange]

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Wonder if E Cleveland will have an ENC TG to take the place of their analog VI?

 

[k8zgw]

Please clearify

Erik,
I guess I don't know the vernacular ,but. . .
what is a
ENC TG and a
" analog VI"

Don