Lee County P25 Systems (361.BEE00) and (AD6.BEE00)

[xplorer417]

i was asking i didn’t see there tg at all thanks

 

[batdude]

i was asking i didn’t see there tg at all thanks

I'll offer this - we (RR dB admin team for Florida) would like some recommendations on how to clean up the Lee County listings (specifically the listing for the county-wide P25 trunk). There are MANY agencies/sub-groups of the system, and there could probably be some cleanup applied to make finding the data a little bit easier. For instance, you will notice that the Airport PD and some of the ARFF (fire) listings for the airport are now under the Port Authority - why? >> because that is who they work for (!)

all recommendations are important and feedback is always appreciated. RR exists as a data source, and it doesn't work without user submissions and comments

 

[Bote]

It seems that each DB admin does things his own way. Sometimes there's one huge listing of talkgroups, others are broken down into puzzling minutiae which makes it difficult to find what you're looking for.

There's no substitute for local knowledge so it's best if the DB admin (or the data submitter) knows how the system is used with an emphasis on COMMON SENSE. Nobody is going to look under Port Authority for airport info. Who cares if that's what their official name is?
List it the way real, live, normal people would ask for it. That is, after all, the whole purpose of the database.

 

[batdude]

It seems that each DB admin does things his own way. Sometimes there's one huge listing of talkgroups, others are broken down into puzzling minutiae which makes it difficult to find what you're looking for.

There's no substitute for local knowledge so it's best if the DB admin (or the data submitter) knows how the system is used with an emphasis on COMMON SENSE. Nobody is going to look under Port Authority for airport info. Who cares if that's what their official name is?
List it the way real, live, normal people would ask for it. That is, after all, the whole purpose of the database.

I am not sure what you are implying here.... but (at least in Florida) - things are not done "our own way" - listings are only changed (other than typos and service tags) based on user input.

 

[swfluncensored]

How did we discover the "LC Courts1" talkgroup? The TGID does not match the rest of the county's formatting, looks almost randomized. I have had it in my scan list for a few weeks now and I am not picking up traffic.

(PS: From my knowledge, all county court operations are on COURT OP (20085) and COURT TAC (20087))

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LC Courts 1

Lee County Court Security

Law Tac

 

[dave3825]

I have had it in my scan list for a few weeks now and I am not picking up traffic.

What are you scanning with? The tg is listed as full time enc.

 

[swfluncensored]

What are you scanning with? The tg is listed as full time enc.

APX7000 now. I am not even picking up encrypted traffic on it

 

[batdude]

How did we discover the "LC Courts1" talkgroup? The TGID does not match the rest of the county's formatting, looks almost randomized. I have had it in my scan list for a few weeks now and I am not picking up traffic.

(PS: From my knowledge, all county court operations are on COURT OP (20085) and COURT TAC (20087))

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LC Courts 1

Lee County Court Security

Law Tac

I would tend to agree that it does not fit in the hierarchy of the other TGs - but it was submitted to the Db. None of the admins are near Lee County - so the listings are reflective of user input.... nothing more / nothing less.

 

[Bote]

APX7000 now. I am not even picking up encrypted traffic on it

Why would you expect to?

 

[swfluncensored]

Why would you expect to?

Considering the TG is listed as encrypted, I assumed I would at least pick up encrypted traffic.. but nope, nothing.

 

[Bote]

Does the radio have the proper encryption key?

 

[swfluncensored]

Does the radio have the proper encryption key?

It is not a county radio, so no. Usually on the other encrypted talkgroups (like police dispatch channels), I will pick up traffic but nothing heard - due to the fact that all transmissions are "secured" AKA encrypted. With the LC Courts1 talkgroup, I am not picking up any traffic whatsoever.

 

[TDR-94]

Does the radio have the proper encryption key?

Just FYI. When encryption is utilized on a P25 trunking system there are 3 encryption key parameters that are programmed into the radios that all have to match between the radios, in order to receive the decrypted transmission. Those parameters are loaded into the radios from the key loader or the KMF, if OTAR is configured. Having just the 'correct key' will not allow the radios to receive the decrypted transmission.

 

[dave3825]

Usually on the other encrypted talkgroups (like police dispatch channels), I will pick up traffic but nothing heard

With the LC Courts1 talkgroup, I am not picking up any traffic whatsoever.

Does the radio have the proper encryption key?

Since he does not have the key, does it matter? I mean if he can catch/see enc on other tg's (w/o a key) but not on the courts tg, than would that not indicate the tg is not in use?.

 

[TDR-94]

I believe Bote originally misunderstood what he was referring too and no it doesn't matter. The radio he has would either let the garbled audio through or it would mute the encrypted transmission, depending on how the radio is configured, if the talkgroup was received and encrypted.

 

[swfluncensored]

I believe Bote originally misunderstood what he was referring too and no it doesn't matter. The radio he has would either let the garbled audio through or it would mute the encrypted transmission, depending on how the radio is configured, if the talkgroup was received and encrypted.

Yes, thank you. I have it programmed to mute the encrypted transmissions (garbled audio is annoying).

 

[swfluncensored]

Hi guys,

Out of curiosity, are the LEE-COL talkgroups ISSI? You can hear them perfectly clear from Immokalee and central Collier.

 

[bravo14]

It is possible they are setting up ISSI. I notice a few systems up in NE FL are doing that.

 

[swfluncensored]

It is possible they are setting up ISSI. I notice a few systems up in NE FL are doing that.

Yup. I thought so too. I think Collier has a site in Bonita too, or maybe its just skimming the county line.

 

[CanesFan95]

Which site # is best to use for monitoring Cape Coral TGs?