Pool reporters on AF1 last night say it flew Las Vegas to Dover in 3:45, which was so fast that the airframe was shaking. This has prompted some concern that the president required more urgent medical attention than a case of Covid would merit. I don't have time to do the math and check the winds to see if they were right.
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mdmonitor
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1505- Devil 11 (self id as four acft) working ZNY Modena (335.6)>ZDC Millville (363.0).
1515- Lexus 1 (T-38C 49Th FTS,14Th FTW Columbus AFB MS) off Langley heading south.
1515- Lexus 1 (T-38C 49Th FTS,14Th FTW Columbus AFB MS) off Langley heading south.
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1732 local NOBLE-41 req descent to 5k and below to surface for TOI.
1740 Live I heard NOBLE-41 with Big Foot on 260.900 saying aircraft has cleared the runway.
1743 NOBLE-42 looking for tanker bullseye BANKER-14?
1740 Live I heard NOBLE-41 with Big Foot on 260.900 saying aircraft has cleared the runway.
1743 NOBLE-42 looking for tanker bullseye BANKER-14?
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BM82557
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Guard Dog is what I guess he means but Guard Dog is the CAP that covers the Thurmont - DC corridor when POTUS is at Camp David. He is not at Camp David but is at Rehoboth.
NOBLES with BF on 260.900 not liking the storm fronts down Carolina way when they rtb Shaw.
Asking if they can maybe overfly the squall fronts. Looking at wx map ZDC will probably just steer them inland and
arrive home behind the fronts later.
CASTLE-30 calling their KILG CP 343.000 reports bird strike alpha 3 and will rtb right awy.
Now with tower 126.000 says will do a couple training loops before landing so guess not serious.
Asking if they can maybe overfly the squall fronts. Looking at wx map ZDC will probably just steer them inland and
arrive home behind the fronts later.
CASTLE-30 calling their KILG CP 343.000 reports bird strike alpha 3 and will rtb right awy.
Now with tower 126.000 says will do a couple training loops before landing so guess not serious.
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NOBLE 41,42 going home via Charlotte A/A 228.900
Does anyone know how the CAP routing is decided? If they are doing a CAP is there a certain way the flight path/location is determined?
john8436
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It seems that they have planned orbits for the locations that the Presidents goes to, his main home and his shore house in Delaware. I have head them on different CAP missions by his main house call it "BLUE HEN AR".
But as any orbit they move it if they weather is not good at the predetermined orbit.
I'm more interested in other areas, not typically used. And if planned orbits, what is the planning based on? We know it is planned but is it based on a center point of the TFR or what?
Overnight 0029 local DEATH-31 thru the area FL-360 on ZNY UHF freq then push ZDC
then gone at 0052 local.Prob B-2 just doing training loop out of Whiteman.
Notice future Trump VIP TFR's are now 5 mile wide and 4999 feet altitudes.
then gone at 0052 local.Prob B-2 just doing training loop out of Whiteman.
Notice future Trump VIP TFR's are now 5 mile wide and 4999 feet altitudes.
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They also use LEXUS for what appears to be maybe maintenance positioning flights ? LEXUS 1 I've also seen them use it to Randolph AFB. On your list you have LEXUS as T-38C 49Th FtS,14Th FtW Columbus AFB MS. I'm wondering if maybe LEXUS is a standard maintenance positioning callsign used by multiple bases ?
Langley T-38 Fleet
Here is a list with the date of the last flight I could find on ADSB-X, last airport and callsign shown if not current.
60-0582 2024.07.18
61-0904 2024.07.18
62-3615 2024.07.18 WRB LEXUS 1
62-3691 2024.07.18
62-3702 2024.04.03 DAL PA01
62-3706 2024.05.03 RND LEXUS 5
62-3715 2024.06.05 RND LEXUS 5
62-3722 2024.06.12 LFI
63-8131 2024.07.14
63-8133 2024.07.15
63-8154 2024.04.18 LFI
63-8163 2024.01.09 HMN? PA01
63-8215 2024.07.18
63-8218 2024.07.15
63-8229 2024.06.07 LFI
64-13176 2023.09.21 BIF? LEXUS 11
64-13269 2024.07.15
67-14833 2024.07.10
67-14923 2024.07.01
67-14939 2024.07.18
68-8139 2024.07.18
68-8150 2024.07.17
68-8154 2024.07.18
68-8172 2024.07.18
68-8177 2024.04.15 LFI
68-8185 2024.05.07 HMN BG01
68-8186 2024.07.15
68-8204 2024.06.04 HMN DE01
70-1559 2024.07.18
70-1574 2024.07.18
If I've missed any please let me know.
john8436
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I would have to say that the anchor point is not the center of the TFR. The anchor point for yesterdays orbit and it appears to be the same today is nav aid "ATR" WATERLOO. Thanks to BANKER11 for leaving on their abs-b equipment yesterday. BANKR21 is doing the same today.
I base this on anchor spot shown in the pic below and the FAA Anchor requirements. Link listed below.
In the Air Force there is a unit that was called Tanker Airlift Control Center (TACC), it is now part of the 618th Air Operations Center. It plans, schedules and directs air refueling as well airlift and aeromedical evacuees mission's. I have to assume they are responsible for setting up the track.
I just read the book, "Tanker Pilot, Lessons from the Cockpit". There are parts in this book where the author talks about setting up air refueling orbits for the first gulf war which lead me to this information.
VP TFR has also changed to increased to the same distance
0934L- RR 01 (63-8218), T-38 off the NJ coast heading NE, checked in on ZDC 281.45 then switched ZBW 254.375 FL270, callsign DEMON 01.
His track shows out of Langley.
His track shows out of Langley.
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john8436
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E-6 TIFT10 164405 flow close enough to get this shot(s)
92-9000 headed to GSO for flight training/time
How are airport delays? Am at work so don't have my usual links.My corporate company Microsoft PC did not do scheduled 365 update so all is well.They must have postponed it..I always wait a couple days anyway..
Airlnav shows crowded skies over the US
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