I'm sure the EDACS system will migrate into the P25 Phase II system. Most towns not on the system are on it for example ( Piscataway).
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Piscataway's system is Phase-II capable, but they are not operating that way. They are in Phase-I FDMA mode.
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The NJSP has a more rudimentary type of functionality very similar to that with the IR sites on the 800MHz Type-II system.
That kind of behavior is not supported on the 7.xx P25 systems, so that's a interesting wrinkle they have to work out before the upgrade starts. Anyone else getting the feeling that it's not going to start until the PSIC is 100% deployed?
Sorry for the minor derail of the thread, back to the torches & pitchfork crucifixion of the county!
Wrinkle fixed.... Added more channels and no VOC (Voice over control)
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The tower in sayreville has no antannas on it also as GM stated county going to opensky is not written in stone it may turn out to be a P25 system only time will tell.
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I do not know if Harris operates these communications towers. They may even be cell phone towers. The towers are located ( not exact but general area(s) ) (1) Stelton Road, by Halls Trucking Company in South Plainfield. (2) Off of Hadley Road by Dicks Sporting Goods/ Middlesex Mall complex in South Plainfield. (3) Off of Cederbrook Avenue by John E. Riley School in South Plainfield. (4) Off of South Clinton Avenue in South Plainfield.
All of these towers are at least 100 feet tall and have several different attachments onto them. My guess is that they are not for the EDACS system operated by Harris/Middlesex County. If so, can someone tell me at least what their primary function is? I am just curious.
All of these towers are at least 100 feet tall and have several different attachments onto them. My guess is that they are not for the EDACS system operated by Harris/Middlesex County. If so, can someone tell me at least what their primary function is? I am just curious.
Try this website, I've found it useful on several occasions:
AntennaSearch - Search for Cell Towers, Cell Reception, Hidden Antennas and more.
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An interesting observation: sometime within the past two days, the "data control channel" associated with OpenSky trunking systems has been off the air (on freq. 769.53750) from the Middlesex Borough site. I'll keep an eye out to see if there will be a switch to P25 trunking or not...
An interesting observation: sometime within the past two days, the "data control channel" associated with OpenSky trunking systems has been off the air (on freq. 769.53750) from the Middlesex Borough site. I'll keep an eye out to see if there will be a switch to P25 trunking or not...
Very doubtful police depts are even willing to use Opensky networking when there has been so many issues from other deptments complaining about it. Plus for interoperability standpoint P25 is the only way to go. Piscataway township uses it, Somerset County uses it.. As well as others. It's a proven system that even our federal government backs and uses. Most radios that are being used for the current EDACS Provoice have been updated anyway for Multi Banded use. Chances are there Harris Radios anyway and if they were purchased within the past 4 years they are multibands. Including but not limited to P25 phase 1 and 2 with TDMA capabilities for system voice pack data.
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Sounds like a P25 migration to me!!
Sometime today (I'm guessing in the mid-morning), the dreaded "evil sound" of the OpenSky Trunked System re-appeared on 769.53750 from the Middlesex Borough Site. So, don't count out OpenSky just yet - details to follow as they emerge...
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Harris is no longer doing 'open sky' systems unless its from old contracts of GE, they are and have been putting up thier flavor of P25 phase 1 and are building phase x2 systems
Do you have a press release of this fact that Harris is no longer deploying OpenSky systems? Or is it that they are no longer marketing OpenSky for Public Safety communications and now tailored towards Utilities only? According to their web site, they are still marketing OpenSky2. Harris PSPC
I am aware that Middlesex County has put out bids for a new radio system to replace the EDACS system, however I'm not sure when any switch to a new system will be occurring at this time. From my trusted contact, bids have been placed by Harris, Motorola, and another vendor. I'm almost certain that any new system that comes into play in the County will be P25, but it is not confirmed at this time should Harris be awarded the bid from what I was told (since most of the newer radios the County purchased have the OpenSky feature installed in it).
I am aware that Middlesex County has put out bids for a new radio system to replace the EDACS system, however I'm not sure when any switch to a new system will be occurring at this time. From my trusted contact, bids have been placed by Harris, Motorola, and another vendor. I'm almost certain that any new system that comes into play in the County will be P25, but it is not confirmed at this time should Harris be awarded the bid from what I was told (since most of the newer radios the County purchased have the OpenSky feature installed in it).
South Plainfield will be adding another talkgroup in the future as well as having their communications system being checked by Tactical Public Safety in the near future. Possibly upgrading to P25. If other municipalities are doing the same then it's a good sign Middlesex country's talkgroup for provoice transmissions could change
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With MedCentral going to the NJICS any week now, this would be a very good thing, even if it just started with EMS "field testing" it for the borough.
I have never got official confirmation about any switches to any other system voices. However, anyone who has used Harris EDACS systems, especially firefighters can contest massive dead zones. In the line of emergency services having constant radio connection is critical. This was never the case years ago when most departments still had analog transmissions from a local antenna. I know for a fact South Plainfield has complained about that and is having Tactical Public Safety ( a company that sells radios, fixes and upgrades Harris radios and transmission components) do " stuff " to their radio system. With 2017 coming up and EDACS reaching it's phase out this system and others like it maybe transitioning to another system voice. It's doubtful that Middlesex County will transition to Opensky. Departments are looking for interoperability and that would be a major blow if that happens. Having P25 or it being a standard in NJ would do just that. Most radios will not
Need to be replaced since most Harris Radios are multiband and switching the system voices is not difficult.
Only time will tell....
Need to be replaced since most Harris Radios are multiband and switching the system voices is not difficult.
Only time will tell....
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Yeah, I can definitely agree with the poor system design implemented by the EDACS system; definitely a lot of dead zones. That's not inherently a flaw of the EDACS architecture; it's much more likely poor build-out of the system. That being said, we have a public safety standard (i.e. P25) for a reason. Not implementing something with those minimum standards is simply poor judgment.
I can guarantee if you see see Middlesex county migrate to Opensky you will see departments opting to make their own talkgroups. Look at Piscataway. They did it. Granted they only built a system that could cover Piscataway and not Dunellen, hence why Dunellen went with Somersets P25 system.. But anywho it will happen. Cause that's the number one complaint right now is dead zones.
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