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thank's elias
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and jmr.
Monmouth County 700 MHz Project 25 TRS
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Unless something changed recently, all the county associations, that are made up of all the county fire depts, voted NOT to go on to the new 700 system and instead stay on VHF. (Mid Monmouth, Bayshore Chiefs, Western Monmouth). That was the reason the county built out the new VHF response channels. Again, this was a few years ago. Maybe something has changed since.
I have heard the same thing Tech792. I have not seen anything in writing of the TRS being used for fire.
In fact, many departments are buying new VHF radios..not dual band...especially with the thought of all of this investment the county just dumped into the fire simulcasted North/South/Central VHF system. All dept's still have VHF pagers for the most part too..so VHF will definitely be around for a long time for fire use.
Most Fire dept's don't have anything 700mhz..most chief's haven't even heard of the new 700 TRS and there isn't a lot of county funding to buy local municipalities all new radios for every FF. Very expensive especially noting that Monmouth County does have a love affair with Moto.
Maybe I am completely mis-informed. IC Chief trucks might be getting 700 stuff for interop with EMS and all.. but not to individual FF's.
We'll see...
As far as EMS I have heard the plans to put them on the TRS as it creates a lot of radio traffic having EMS/Fire on the same channel, fire chief associations did not like that...so EMS is going to be doing their own thing on the TRS.
In fact, many departments are buying new VHF radios..not dual band...especially with the thought of all of this investment the county just dumped into the fire simulcasted North/South/Central VHF system. All dept's still have VHF pagers for the most part too..so VHF will definitely be around for a long time for fire use.
Most Fire dept's don't have anything 700mhz..most chief's haven't even heard of the new 700 TRS and there isn't a lot of county funding to buy local municipalities all new radios for every FF. Very expensive especially noting that Monmouth County does have a love affair with Moto.
Maybe I am completely mis-informed. IC Chief trucks might be getting 700 stuff for interop with EMS and all.. but not to individual FF's.
We'll see...
As far as EMS I have heard the plans to put them on the TRS as it creates a lot of radio traffic having EMS/Fire on the same channel, fire chief associations did not like that...so EMS is going to be doing their own thing on the TRS.
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the only thing i have to add is,i was told by a reliable source that neptune fd is going to the 700 trunk.
I've been getting the feelings of Neptune as well..
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I've logged what I suspect are fire radios from Neptune and Monmouth Beach.
RID 3301066 and 3301068 for MBFD
RID 340741, 340743 and 340745 which i suspect are portables from Neptune FD's paid truck which is 34-74.
Asbury Park FD's trucks all appear to be equipped under 8321xx RIDs since fire runs EMS
RID 3301066 and 3301068 for MBFD
RID 340741, 340743 and 340745 which i suspect are portables from Neptune FD's paid truck which is 34-74.
Asbury Park FD's trucks all appear to be equipped under 8321xx RIDs since fire runs EMS
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Thank's, Castor.
Ok Gentlmen, I really try to remain neutral on this however, I must express my opinion; I appologize if I offend anyone (sorry; not sorry).
The county wanted to switch fire and ems to the county TRS; These "Chief associations" fought it; some with decade OLD information and not alot of facts. This is where too many old school home rule EX chief's play a role. I'm sorry but EX Chief is NOT a rank. These associations; especially the bayshore area (from my understanding) was trying to keep things very home rule and rejected ANY change. However, I must say, I believe the bayshore area associations puts on drills where Mid Monmouth... Well; doesnt. The associations were even fighting the switch to the response channels.
Let's take 1 step forward; now FIRE AND EMS are on the same channels and it is too congested (an issue that arose because these archaic assocations fought against TRS; Sheriff Golden went to the freeholders and got funding to start departments to go to the TRS; Once again; The fire associations REFUSED; Sheriff Golden then extends the offer to EMS. Each County dispatched EMS agency received 10 TAIT radios.
***During this time; The fire marshal Stryker retires because he sees the writing on the wall of loosing home rule; The freeholder's skip the next deputy fire marshal (because in my opinion; they believed he would be another stryker who would fight each change and not play well in the sand box) and Deputy Fire Marshal Stout gets promoted to Fire Marshal. For anyone who knows him; He is a strong person; works well with others and will do the best for those who he is serving***
As the Fire Marshal takes under new initiatives including communications and the fact that whether these archaic associations say whatever they want; the TRS system IS coming; so let's make the best of it. They are testing it out with some combination departments and paid departments the same as they did with the field CAD system.
There are fire zones programmed into the TAIT radios. There are several options for firefighters and fire departments to operate with this system. The departments can continue to use the VHF system on the fireground and the TRS to communicate with county (response vs fireground, same as now). Fireground communications currently are not being monitored or recorded; so no gain, no loss...
I have been told by a reliable source that the VHF system isn't going anywhere... How can they abandon a system that they put alot of money into to update and just abandon it; especially when the switch to TRS will not be over night. The other thing is keeping the VHF system up is a good backup. I'm not sure about you guys; but I don't trust electronics and components; I like back ups.
So it comes down to whatever the old guys who probably have not been in a fire in over a decade or be up to date on the current system or information say has very little role; It's happening...
I have been using the TAIT portable myself for about 2 month's. I do have some concerns as I have some transmissions cut off or it will not transmit sometimes; but other times it will. I also have much better quality now and can communicate in buildings, in hospitals and further without an issue. I believe the current TRS needs a little tweeking before totally relying on it but the only way you find the bugs is by using it.
Like I said; I really try and stay neutral and non political on here but those are the cards that have been delt.
The county wanted to switch fire and ems to the county TRS; These "Chief associations" fought it; some with decade OLD information and not alot of facts. This is where too many old school home rule EX chief's play a role. I'm sorry but EX Chief is NOT a rank. These associations; especially the bayshore area (from my understanding) was trying to keep things very home rule and rejected ANY change. However, I must say, I believe the bayshore area associations puts on drills where Mid Monmouth... Well; doesnt. The associations were even fighting the switch to the response channels.
Let's take 1 step forward; now FIRE AND EMS are on the same channels and it is too congested (an issue that arose because these archaic assocations fought against TRS; Sheriff Golden went to the freeholders and got funding to start departments to go to the TRS; Once again; The fire associations REFUSED; Sheriff Golden then extends the offer to EMS. Each County dispatched EMS agency received 10 TAIT radios.
***During this time; The fire marshal Stryker retires because he sees the writing on the wall of loosing home rule; The freeholder's skip the next deputy fire marshal (because in my opinion; they believed he would be another stryker who would fight each change and not play well in the sand box) and Deputy Fire Marshal Stout gets promoted to Fire Marshal. For anyone who knows him; He is a strong person; works well with others and will do the best for those who he is serving***
As the Fire Marshal takes under new initiatives including communications and the fact that whether these archaic associations say whatever they want; the TRS system IS coming; so let's make the best of it. They are testing it out with some combination departments and paid departments the same as they did with the field CAD system.
There are fire zones programmed into the TAIT radios. There are several options for firefighters and fire departments to operate with this system. The departments can continue to use the VHF system on the fireground and the TRS to communicate with county (response vs fireground, same as now). Fireground communications currently are not being monitored or recorded; so no gain, no loss...
I have been told by a reliable source that the VHF system isn't going anywhere... How can they abandon a system that they put alot of money into to update and just abandon it; especially when the switch to TRS will not be over night. The other thing is keeping the VHF system up is a good backup. I'm not sure about you guys; but I don't trust electronics and components; I like back ups.
So it comes down to whatever the old guys who probably have not been in a fire in over a decade or be up to date on the current system or information say has very little role; It's happening...
I have been using the TAIT portable myself for about 2 month's. I do have some concerns as I have some transmissions cut off or it will not transmit sometimes; but other times it will. I also have much better quality now and can communicate in buildings, in hospitals and further without an issue. I believe the current TRS needs a little tweeking before totally relying on it but the only way you find the bugs is by using it.
Like I said; I really try and stay neutral and non political on here but those are the cards that have been delt.
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I offer my apologies to the forum if I’m inflaming this issue, however I think a couple of points need to be highlighted in view of recent posting. Also- while I have been involved in the Mid-Monmouth Chiefs in the past I do not offer this as their spokes-person, nor for any other organization or department. My views are my own, an accredited NJ level 2 instructor. And yes- a FD “old timer” if you must.
Monmouth County enjoyed the distinction of being a county in which 100% of the FD’s where all operating on VHF high with full capabilities for interoperability. This stands in sharp contrast to others (Middlesex, as an example) in which various FD’s are on a wide range of radio formats. I can think of no better example of issues with interops, than 1 or more incidents which occurred in 2016 in the northern tier of towns of Monmouth. Mutual aid units where requested from out of county- in this case Middlesex. In the chaotic fire radio traffic more than 1 exchange took place with the following: “we can’t talk to them- we don’t have their radios”. Obviously I’m paraphrasing, but the crutch of the issue is clear- a potpourri of different radio formats do not led to positive outcomes on the fireground. A great deal of time and effort was spent studying the events of 9/11 and Katrina hurricane responses. In all cases standard radio comms were sighted as major flaws in response.
Another issue- which I have not seen mentioned in the forum is the need for simplex, analog fireground channels. Nothing is set in stone that these must be VHF high, they could be in the 770 mhz range of any other (UHF/ 800 etc.). I will not take up valuable forum space sighting chapter and verse, but the willing reader can do a search of these terms on the web: NFPA 1802 & 1221. No less esteemed groups than the IAFC and FEMA have published information concerning the use of digital realm tech in the fire service environment. City’s as wide ranging as NYC , San Francisco and others have explored and rejected digital for critical hazardous environments (such as firefighting).
The days of NJ municipalities having open checkbooks and spendthrift policies have clearly passed. Funds spent on new (expensive) radio equipment will now come at the cost of other FD equipment needs. Finally, you don’t need to be young to advocate for forward thinking ideas. There are plenty of things I see that need changing. I’m just not so sure that “this” idea is the one on top of the priority list. The new TRS is here, there is no doubt. The migration to it should be a thoughtful and fully informed process- across the board.
I offer my apologies to the forum if I’m inflaming this issue, however I think a couple of points need to be highlighted in view of recent posting. Also- while I have been involved in the Mid-Monmouth Chiefs in the past I do not offer this as their spokes-person, nor for any other organization or department. My views are my own, an accredited NJ level 2 instructor. And yes- a FD “old timer” if you must.
Monmouth County enjoyed the distinction of being a county in which 100% of the FD’s where all operating on VHF high with full capabilities for interoperability. This stands in sharp contrast to others (Middlesex, as an example) in which various FD’s are on a wide range of radio formats. I can think of no better example of issues with interops, than 1 or more incidents which occurred in 2016 in the northern tier of towns of Monmouth. Mutual aid units where requested from out of county- in this case Middlesex. In the chaotic fire radio traffic more than 1 exchange took place with the following: “we can’t talk to them- we don’t have their radios”. Obviously I’m paraphrasing, but the crutch of the issue is clear- a potpourri of different radio formats do not led to positive outcomes on the fireground. A great deal of time and effort was spent studying the events of 9/11 and Katrina hurricane responses. In all cases standard radio comms were sighted as major flaws in response.
Another issue- which I have not seen mentioned in the forum is the need for simplex, analog fireground channels. Nothing is set in stone that these must be VHF high, they could be in the 770 mhz range of any other (UHF/ 800 etc.). I will not take up valuable forum space sighting chapter and verse, but the willing reader can do a search of these terms on the web: NFPA 1802 & 1221. No less esteemed groups than the IAFC and FEMA have published information concerning the use of digital realm tech in the fire service environment. City’s as wide ranging as NYC , San Francisco and others have explored and rejected digital for critical hazardous environments (such as firefighting).
The days of NJ municipalities having open checkbooks and spendthrift policies have clearly passed. Funds spent on new (expensive) radio equipment will now come at the cost of other FD equipment needs. Finally, you don’t need to be young to advocate for forward thinking ideas. There are plenty of things I see that need changing. I’m just not so sure that “this” idea is the one on top of the priority list. The new TRS is here, there is no doubt. The migration to it should be a thoughtful and fully informed process- across the board.
Kindly, please remove this.
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I just heard TG 13008 with a fire dispatch. Sounded like central dispatch..
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tg 13008 is a tough one to figure out. it started life, in the clear. it went encrypted. the other day, it was in the clear for 3 dispatches, spread out over north and central. they went back encrypted.
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The 34-74 radios you are picking up on EMS South is because they talk to EMS when they decide to ride in on EMS calls. They are using APX radios
The county purchased 10 radios for each EMS agency that came over. I wonder why this wasnt done for the FDs.
The county purchased 10 radios for each EMS agency that came over. I wonder why this wasnt done for the FDs.
@Shore bullets... Please see my post above and it may answer some of your questions
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I guses I meant, was the offer made and they turned it down? Did these volunteer chiefs really turn down thousands of dollars in free radio upgrades ?
Or did they just not even get an offer like EMS did?
From my understanding, they got the same offer...
The switch for EMS was only AFTER fire turned it down.
The switch for EMS was only AFTER fire turned it down.
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