Morris County TRS...

[Roveer]

I'm listening to MCTRS and my PD and Fire/EMS are on TG's with several other towns. I find this annoying as I'd really only want to hear my local PD. To the police have to contend with his as well? If they are on Muni PD 1 will they hear the other 3 towns or are their radios set up just to allow certain radio id's? If this were the case wouldn't they hear the county dispatcher talking to all the other municipalities even if their RID's were not allowed?

I would think it would be annoying for them too. Before digital trunked our PD used to be on their own analog frequency so the traffice was just theirs. As much as the digital trunked network has made things better, this would appear to be one thing (at least for us scanner enthusiasts) that is worse.

Am I missing something here?

Roveer

 

[W2SJW]

No, you're not missing anything. Morris has multiple agencies on it's PD, FD, & EMS talkgroups.

Down here in Somerset, it's mostly the same (North Plainfield & Green Brook self-dispatch still, so they are both on their own). If any of the other towns in the middle-part of the county convert to the TRS, GB will have to share PD CENTRAL with them.

 

[ff75]

The way it is set up and the way it is run is a step backwards. Although i will give them that it is fairly new and it will take time to work all bugs out, it was hastily thrown together with out fully planning it out and with a lot of misinformation given to towns and departments.

 

[leonzo]

I am going to weigh in on this discussion thread because of the posts here. I used to be a law enforcement officer in Morris County, NJ, left there and became one in VA. The differences between the two states in providing law enforcement coverage is night and day. NJ is well known for its every square mile usually being a different department. VA and other southern and western states follow a countywide approach for law enforcement. My point is: with regard to radio usage so what if three or four towns share a frequency. When I was working in NJ there used to be 13 different departments sharing a frequency. Our dispatch callsign was KEC-223 frequency was 39.02 mhz. There is currently on the Morris County TRS nothing like that now. From a monitoring point of view listeners should be embracing a countywide platform. I can understand that you may have been content to listen to one police department and hear only that one police department. In this economy with shrinking gov't budgets and I am sure tax payers not wanting to pay more and more taxes consolidation and sharing of gov't services will have to occur. You will get used to hearing 3 or 4 departments. Heck as a scanner monitor I routinely scanned several towns when I was living in NJ. So being able to have the majority of departments on one trunked system for me would be a step up! I am just asking you to look and consider the change in a positive light as opposed to "having to listen to a few other departments" that you may not have normally monitored before.

 

[RocketNJ]

The way it is set up and the way it is run is a step backwards. Although i will give them that it is fairly new and it will take time to work all bugs out, it was hastily thrown together with out fully planning it out and with a lot of misinformation given to towns and departments.

Would you like to elaborate? Having each town have their own infrastructure and repeaters which have very little duty cycle is a waste of spectrum, not to mention the cost for infrastructure to each town with the upcoming narrowband mandate.

Grouping towns that are geographically close to each other makes sense. They can hear what is going on across the border, is more frequency spectrum efficient, and saves the towns (and taxpayers) money.

Add in the behind the scenes benefits the towns are getting (text messaging for fire/ems paging, more robust CAD and mobile data system tied into their RMS systems, redundant dispatch and telephone systems....). To me it is a no brainer to switch.

 

[SCPD]

The way it is set up and the way it is run is a step backwards. Although i will give them that it is fairly new and it will take time to work all bugs out, it was hastily thrown together with out fully planning it out and with a lot of misinformation given to towns and departments.

Malarkey.

 

[jfrdog]

Not sure if this is the right place to post this but I haven't been picking up the 151.05500 Fire Operations Trunk Simulcast for the county in the past few days. Have they shut it down permenantly?

 

[KDD904]

no. took a power hit. should be back up this afternoon.

 

[kenisned]

Quite honestly, there are parts of this county where the coverage with a portable radio is worse with MIRS then the vhf system already in place.

Any decision to migrate should be based on increasing or at best maintaining the same coverage.

 

[RocketNJ]

The towns are given the opportunity to test coverage in all areas of their town using the TRS and paging system before they sign a contract. There is no coverage guarantee in the contract they sign. It is what it is.

Some towns find coverage better than their conventional systems while others see a decline. Or you have the towns where the dead spots just moved to different locations.

 

[DannB]

?

The towns are given the opportunity to test coverage in all areas of their town using the TRS and paging system before they sign a contract. There is no coverage guarantee in the contract they sign. It is what it is.

Some towns find coverage better than their conventional systems while others see a decline. Or you have the towns where the dead spots just moved to different locations.

Well that stinks...why would a town sign a contract if the coverage in there community stinks on the TRS?

 

[RocketNJ]

Well that stinks...why would a town sign a contract if the coverage in there community stinks on the TRS?

You would have to ask the town that question. And BTW, stinks might be a bit harsh. There are dead spots with almost every radio system but you have to look at the overall coverage.

 

[DannB]

Uhhh

You would have to ask the town that question. And BTW, stinks might be a bit harsh. There are dead spots with almost every radio system but you have to look at the overall coverage.

"There is no coverage guarantee in the contract they sign".

" while others see a decline."

Now that stinks...and how is that a "harsh" comment. Im commenting on what was written

 

[RocketNJ]

How does it stink? The towns have ample opportunity to verify the coverage will fill their needs.
Blame the towns and not the county.

Shame on the towns if they sign a contract and then complain later.

After reading your comment it is not harsh but I do also question the town as to why they would switch if the coverage is inadequate. Hmmm...Save money, have complaints....

 

[DannB]

wow

How does it stink? The towns have ample opportunity to verify the coverage will fill their needs.
Blame the towns and not the county.

Shame on the towns if they sign a contract and then complain later.

After reading your comment it is not harsh but I do also question the town as to why they would switch if the coverage is inadequate. Hmmm...Save money, have complaints....

Relax...I wasnt putting blame on the county !! drop it... apparently you read way ,way to into this comment....

 

[APX8000]

WARNING...any more bickering between members will cause a few days on the beach. Lets get back on topic.

151.055 is back up.

As far as coverage, Morris County did not build out the original system for portable radio coverage. You can see in thier powerpoint that they specify 95% MOBILE coverage with 95% reliability.

Morris County NJ USA - Office of Emergency Management

Towns have the opportunty to test it.

Another note: Chester FIRE for is still using their VHF repeater to call in and out to County while Chester EMS uses the TRS. Anyone know what the deal is with that?

 

[RocketNJ]

I think the fire members want to monitor the response calls on the second channel on their pagers. That is why CFD put up a new UHF repeater system.

Guess they don't have trunked scanners....?

 

[APX8000]

Latest setup as of 06/27/201111

Here is the latest setup for Police/Fire/EMS on the Morris County TRS. It looks like either some have not made the move or the talkgroups are staying as is. But this is the setup as of today:

POLICE (remains unchanged)

33808 - POLICE 1 - 18, 19, 32, 46, 47
33840 - POLICE 2 - 25, 34, 39, 42
33872 - POLICE 3 - 26, 28, 36
33904 - POLICE 4 - 13, 23, 44, 45
33936 - POLICE 5 - 22, 24

FIRE

34416 - FIRE 1 - CH, BR, RA, MB, RD, BT, ML, NV
34448 - FIRE 2 - CB, CT, GV, RB, WH, MH
34480 - FIRE 3 - RX, NC, MA
34512 - FIRE 4 - MO, MS, MP

EMS (AH/SC units respond on channel for area of response)

34576 - EMS 1 - MB, MT, RD, CH, RB
34608 - EMS 2 - RX, WH, MH, MA, NC, BK, CM
34640 - EMS 3 - MM, MO, NV
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CH - Chester Fire/EMS
BR - Brookside Fire(Mendham Twp)
RA - Ralston Fire (Mendham Twp)
MB - Mendham Boro Fire/EMS
RD- Randolph Fire/EMS
BT - Boonton Twp Fire
ML - Mountain Lakes Fire
BK - Boonton-Kiwanis EMS (Boonton/BoontonTwp/Mt Lakes)
NV - New Vernon Fire/EMS
CB - Chatham Boro Fire
CT - Chatham Twp Fire
CM - Chatham EMS
GV - Green Village Fire (Chatham Twp/Harding Twp)
RB - Rockaway Boro Fire/EMS
WH - Wharton Boro Fire/EMS
MH - Mine Hill Twp Fire/EMS
RX - Roxbury Twp Fire/EMS
NC - Netcong Boro Fire/EMS
MA - Mt. Arlington Boro Fire/EMS
MO - Morristown Fire/EMS
MS - Morris Twp Fire
MP - Morris Plains Boro Fire
MM - Minutemen EMS (Morris Twp/Morris Plains)
AH - Atlantic Health
SC - St. Claires

 

[just_glen]

hi anyone have any info on the new parsippany police freqs ?Have not heard them in awhile thanx and regards just_glen

 

[RocketNJ]

They are on 800 MHz conventional but have gone P25. You will need a digital scanner to receive them.

PD 1 Dispatch 851.37500

PD 2 Law Talk 852.80000