Nebraska (Statewide) Wireless Interoperable Network "N-WIN"

[KF0SKV]

Benkelman!

Benkleman is also getting a new site:

Due to the "Government Shutdown" the link to the FCC records is down, here is the cut-copy-paste version.

YW WQSI825
NEBRASKA, STATE OF
[GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY PROVIDING COMMUNICATIONS]
Control Point 1 - 501 S 14TH STREET,, LINCOLN NE 402-471-3719
(link)
09/25/2013 License Issued
1 - BENKELMAN, 10 KM N, BENKELMAN (DUNDY) NE [Structure: Guyed structure] (map)
154.235 FB8 100p 200e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
154.665 FB8 100p 200e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
154.92 FB8 100p 200e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
154.4375 FB8 100p 200e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
2 - BENKELMAN, 40.0 km radius around fixed location 1
150.995 MO8 50p 100e Units: 1500 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
151.0625 MO8 50p 100e Units: 1500 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
151.1075 MO8 50p 100e Units: 1500 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
151.385 MO8 50p 100e Units: 1500 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
3 - NE Land mobile control station meeting 20 rule
150.995 FX1 50p 100e Units: 50 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
151.0625 FX1 50p 100e Units: 50 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
151.1075 FX1 50p 100e Units: 50 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
151.385 FX1 50p 100e Units: 50 8K10F1D 8K10F1E

 

[renfield]

So, I have a new issue that I am hoping that you guys can help with.

I ended up just getting a paid subscription here to download the systems. I can now get the NSP as easily as the others.

My new problem is that no matter what system (conventional for the county sheriffs, EDACS for Norfolk PD, or N-WIN for NSP) I pick up, there is a pause every three seconds or so in the transmission.

I did not have this before I cleared the scanner and used the imports from RR. I am assuming that there is a setting that is wrong. Is there a hold time, delay time, or some other setting that would cause this???

Thanks for your help.

 

[bfperez]

I know the Unidens with Close Call turned on in Priority mode will do that. Does your scanner have something like that turned on?

 

[ORION_NE]

If you have a uniden 996XT, 396XT or 996T make sure close call is off (push the squelch knob until you see CC OFF), Weather priority or alert is off (push the WX button) and priority is off (press the PRI button).

All 3 of these will cause the scanner to miss transmissions. Also on trunking systems make sure the hold time for the sites are set to 1 or more seconds and conventional systems the system hold time is set to 1 or more seconds as well.

 

[nd5y]

Also on trunking systems make sure the hold time for the sites are set to 1 or more seconds and conventional systems the system hold time is set to 1 or more seconds as well.

If you are scanning more than one system, setting hold time higher than 0 just slows down scanning and makes you miss more transmissions.

 

[PJH]

Since the state no longer refers to this as NWIN, and officially as the State Radio System, the database has been updated to reflect this. It is now known as the Nebraska State Radio System (SRS).

 

[brey1234]

EDITORIAL

More than $75 million has been spent in Nebraska over the past few years in an attempt to provide law enforcement and emergency responders with a statewide radio system.
It’s exasperating that the system still is not performing up to expectations.
Testimony at a legislative hearing earlier this month made clear that a considerable amount of work remains before the system will work the way agencies were told it would
Editorial, 12/3: Fix public safety radio system : Opinion

 

[PJH]

Well, lets not forget PA there Bob.

I happen to know some people within the NE side of things, and the media side of things have skewed quite a bit of information.

The Nebraska system at this time, is designed to be a mobile coverage system. State agency training has been lacking, or rather - when the radio system was introduced to them, the responsible agency never really trained their people on how it works.

The SWAT example that keeps coming up was actually a lack of people in real time, going to the designated simplex channel that they could have used.

The chase example is nothing more than one agency on the trunked system, and the other not being on it. Even with other states and regions, you still see this. The perception is that the state has this network and everyone can automatically jump onto it. Less we forget, that those who want to be on this system needs compatible radios and Nebraska is a predominately rural state - but as such - even with tight budgets, those counties and communities only need to purchase a handful of radios - not 100's.

Statewide "open to everyone" systems such as Wyoming, Nebraska, South Dakota (which generally has a low population to sq mile) have a high local participation rate.

Does the radio system need to be expanded? Sure - but that costs money. You are not going to provide portable coverage for an area that has 1 person per sq mile - but you will have mobile coverage. Add in a DVRS to the patrol car or fire truck and you now have incident mobile coverage.

As much as I am pro-state anti-media in general, the media really didn't have the facts correct, however the state couldn't get the damage under control.

 

[autovon]

This problem would be solved by 155.475 analog simplex being pushed statewide. Since most counties are on VHF as well as the state, this should be easy. Heck, look at Iowa and their LEA channels. With a push of a button, local, county, and state are on a single repeater. If that fails, they can go to 155.475.
I lived in Illinois for a number of years and this worked well. Most agencies had this frequency in their vehicles and dispatch centers. It was actually used too. A lot. Some agencies who were on a different band installed crossband repeaters so that could still use 155.475 even if their system was on UHF.

The Nebraska State system is getting bad press. But is it an improvement over lowband? I would guess the answer is yes, but they're just going through growing pains.

 

[ORION_NE]

The state radio system is not going to provide interoperability between NSP and most local agencies. There is a communications plan for conventional interop channels for all the bands.For VHF VLaw31 (155.475) is Statewide LE Radio to Radio and VTac11 is statewide Fire radio to radio. The VHF plan is statewide. For UHF UTac11 is Statewide LE radio to radio UTac12 is statewide fire radio to radio, both channel simplex. The UHF plan is I-80 corridor and south of I-80. For 800Mhz 8Tac91 is statewide LE radio to radio and 8Tac92 is statewide Fire radio to radio. 800Mhz plan is for I-80 corridor and any area with that uses 800Mhz on a daily basis.

There are other projects going on and currently being installed. Paraclete and NRIN systems are currently being installed. Do a google search for the info on each.

The state drooped the ball when many local agencies were buying new equipment for narrow banding and moving from low band. Many local agencies asked the state what equipment they would need for the new SRS and the state never told them what they needed to buy. Most local agencies went out and bought cheap radios and radio systems that can do narrow band. Since most just bought the radios and systems they don't have enough money to get P25 radios.

Yes the SRS has problems. You can thank the cheap governor Heineman for that.

 

[PJH]

The state drooped the ball when many local agencies were buying new equipment for narrow banding and moving from low band. Many local agencies asked the state what equipment they would need for the new SRS and the state never told them what they needed to buy.

Actually, this was never a secret or unknown information. The information was out there, local agencies chose not to buy them due to sticker shock, budget constraints or other reasons at the time. I had the information for my purposes several years back. In addition, any competent radio shop or vendor would have that information. I can tell you right now, all that is needed to trigger for radio models is the phrase "P25 Phase 1 compatible radio" and I'd be able to provid several makes and models that would work on it. Its not a big deal.

NRIN is essentially a large data network. Its not a two way radio system in the LMR sense. You can connect radio consoles together, pass backbone SRS traffic on it, but its not like you are going to hold a portable radio and use that backbone as a two way radio in the traditional since. Its a mostly MW and fiber highway.

Paraclete is just an interoperability solution that allows computer controlled radio patching to other resources. Its just one of many vendors out there that do this via software and some integrated radios. Nothing new. Just a fancy way of getting it onto various networks. Combine this with the MW network above, you can do what SRS already does.

 

[ORION_NE]

Read the meeting notes from the Nebraska Public Safety Communications Council for Janurary's meeting. The 3 new sites York, Lincoln South and the other one out west should be online April 15.

The Giltner site antennas will be moved back the the south west side of the tower to help with coverage toward Grand Island and Hastings. The Sterling site will be moved into Pawnee County to help with coverage in that area. The Elgin site will be getting new antennas to help with the loss of coverage in Antelope County.

They were looking into installing a site at OPPD's Nashville site but it did not pass inspections. So the second Omaha site is on hold.

If anyone hasn't notice Troop HQ (Lincoln) dispatches for Troop B (Norfolk) from 11pm to 7am.

 

[cellphone]

Here are licensed freqs for the 3 new sites. Can anyone confirm if they are active yet? If so, can anyone confirm site numbers and control channels?

Benkelman (Dundy County)
154.2350
154.6650
154.9200
154.4375

South Lincoln
155.0325
155.4225
155.6325
155.7225

York
154.4225
154.7775
155.5125
156.1425

 

[ChopperDan]

When you say Lincoln is this the City of Lincoln or the county of Lincoln.?
The one new tower is down here on the south side of town right next to Cheney.
It has LES signs up all around it. By the app the Lat Long comes out right.

 

[cellphone]

To clarify, that is the City of Lincoln. The new tower address is 10350 Rokeby Rd on the license. The one you saw by Cheney sounds right. Let us know when it comes online.

 

[realgeo]

Here are licensed freqs for the 3 new sites. Can anyone confirm if they are active yet? If so, can anyone confirm site numbers and control channels?

Benkelman (Dundy County)
154.2350
154.6650
154.9200
154.4375

South Lincoln
155.0325
155.4225
155.6325
155.7225

York
154.4225
154.7775
155.5125
156.1425

Howdy, Joe and all!

Long time, no posting!

I've been keeping track of both the York and S. Lincoln sites and may make a monitoring trip either this Sunday or sometime next week.

I'll forward any observations I may make!

73

 

[ORION_NE]

According to the minutes Install of the site equipment shouldn't start until March.

 

[Kingmobileaudio]

nothing on the south lincoln

 

[33kracing]

The state radio system is not going to provide interoperability between NSP and most local agencies.


I have some great news... at approx. 18:00 hrs I was hearing hastings 911 (RID:914999) test/signal calling buffalo co...90999, Hamilton co ...928999, hall co...908999, merrick co...946999 on the "c roc calling" talkgroup. I guess that's sweet news that all those "small" agencies have P25 interop capability.

 

[PJH]

I have been told that there has been a push/rollout to install consolettes at psaps so that there is at least one direct form of radio communications. As coverage and capacity grows, you will slowly see agencies come online. I do not know if the state or the psap is paying for it.

For Nebraska, I can see the smaller (in population size) counties coming on faster than the larger ones. When you only need to buy a few overpriced radios, it's easier to make the transition.