New City of Milwaukee radio system

[CrabbyMilton]

TG 1451 popped up. It sounds like a PD so not sure if it’s MPD or a patch from MCSO. Sounded like a traffic stop.

 

[Tim]

In listening, 1451 appears to be WSP SE Region.

 

[kayn1n32008]

I get that if a non phase 2 radio joins a phase 1 system that it downgrades to phase 1.

Keep in mind that the ability to fall back to phase 1 is not guaranteed. If the system is being spec'd for phase 2, amd all radios on it have to be phase 2, it may not even allow phase 1 only capable radios to affiliate or register.

 

[Trunktrunk247]

Keep in mind that the ability to fall back to phase 1 is not guaranteed. If the system is being spec'd for phase 2, amd all radios on it have to be phase 2, it may not even allow phase 1 only capable radios to affiliate or register.

Right, understood. Based on the original document in this thread my assumption is phase 2 is required.

 

[ScanWI]

If I were a betting man, based on the number of users and that it is for one city it will probably be Phase II only.

 

[19-685]

TGID 2297 active this afternoon. Unknown usage

 

[CrabbyMilton]

Probably a good idea to set a list aside for the mobile offset frequencies. That way when they start using the system more you can hear things close by.

 

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Talkgroup ID 9018 is OA LAW CALL

Confirmed 18-Dec-2023

Thanks

 

[ctadam12]

So MFD dispatch is live n the system?

 

[19-685]

So MFD dispatch is live n the system?

The following talkgroups are active on the new Milwaukee 700Mhz P-25 system as of 19-Dec-2023:

MW FD DISPATCH

MC FD CALL (Milwaukee County Fire Call from OASIS system)

OA LAW CALL (Milwaukee and Waukesha County LE agencies from OASIS system)
OA CHASE (Milwaukee and Waukesha County LE agencies from OASIS system)

WSP SE 1 (Wisconsin State Patrol Southeast Region Dispatch from WISCOM system)

Hearing more traffic on MW FD DISPATCH in the past few days - especially field units calling in with status, run details vs just the dispatch side of things. Have yet to monitor any of the operational talkgroups - at least during my limited time/availability to monitor.

The non-MFD talkgroups appear to be ISSI linked from their appropriate home systems (i.e. OASIS or WISCOM).

System has not been promoted on the Milwaukee County specific RR page, but is listed in the Milwaukee County Trunked Systems here:

Milwaukee Public Safety and Services (P25) Trunking System, Milwaukee, Wisconsin

Milwaukee Public Safety and Services (P25) Trunking System Profile

www.radioreference.com

 

[CrabbyMilton]

I wonder if MFD will now actually dispatch(to the respective stations) via this system now? MFD has been the only FD in Milwaukee and Waukesha county that still uses a landline system so perhaps they will now do it "over the air". I'm not talking about the TG for MC FD CALL TG I mean it would be a separate one just for paging/dispatch internally. I'm still trying to figure out if Tosa engine 55 which is the one that now runs out of the old E35 is officially dispatched by Tosa or MFD. I have heard both Wauwatosa and Milwaukee sending them on calls.

 

[ryolsen8]

I wonder if MFD will now actually dispatch(to the respective stations) via this system now? MFD has been the only FD in Milwaukee and Waukesha county that still uses a landline system so perhaps they will now do it "over the air". I'm not talking about the TG for MC FD CALL TG I mean it would be a separate one just for paging/dispatch internally. I'm still trying to figure out if Tosa engine 55 which is the one that now runs out of the old E35 is officially dispatched by Tosa or MFD. I have heard both Wauwatosa and Milwaukee sending them on calls.

Tosa E55 along with NS T82 are "dispatched" by MFD in the stations, however, they can't technically respond to the run until the CAD sitting in the station (Tosa CAD or NS CAD) goes off (which makes a noise when a run is sent).

 

[ctadam12]

Doubt they will move away from the landline station alerting.

 

[ctadam12]

WRYC427 - CITY OF MILWAUKEE

 

[CrabbyMilton]

That is a call sign for…?

 

[ctadam12]

The rest of the system sites.

 

[RayAir]

I found a MPD chase video on Youtube:

. The video actually shows an example of one of the shortcomings of Milwaukee's current OpenSky system. The pursuit ended up heading down I-43 southbound almost to Mukwonago. A little after 15 minutes into the video (by now well into Waukesha County) the officers became concerned about losing radio coverage and had to relay the progress of the pursuit to dispatch via telephone. Will this new radio system offer extended range or some type of compatibility with other radio systems, such as OASIS and WISCOM for situations like these? Is there currently an option with OpenSky, such as 8TAC channels?

There's an option. You have to reboot the radio to ECP mode and go to the the 8CALL/8TAC channels.
To get to ECP from OpenSky: Press 1, #.
To get back to OpenSky from ECP: Press up arrow until you see OPENSKY or press M, scroll to MODE, press M, up arrow to NEW MODE OPENSKY, press M.
Takes about 5 seconds to boot up.

 

[box23]

Expecting an officer to be able to follow that procedure, at any time not even considering during a pursuit, is not an acceptable approach to interop.

In some cases an LEO recognizing the need to switch channels, and being able to without coaching, is a win in itself. Expecting anyone to do anything more than possibly switch channels via a hotkey or couple clicks of the channel selector during a pursuit is asking way too much.

 

[RayAir]

Expecting an officer to be able to follow that procedure, at any time not even considering during a pursuit, is not an acceptable approach to interop.

In some cases an LEO recognizing the need to switch channels, and being able to without coaching, is a win in itself. Expecting anyone to do anything more than possibly switch channels via a hotkey or couple clicks of the channel selector during a pursuit is asking way too much.

I agree. Most needed cheat sheets just to change profiles (Event profile, etc).

 

[19-685]

TG 2004 partially in use during structure fire this afternoon.

Same conversations/apparatus/response operations on OASIS patched MWFDP1T2 (Milwaukee Fire Profile 1, Talkgroup 2), but not 100% full simulcast during the time I monitored.

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