New ERS Tier 3 system

[Ace9133uwu]

I'm not used to looking at T3 sites on an SDS. Where in the display does it show the Network ID and Site ID?

I fiddled with the network & site ID’s in the custom menu so I could see what they were. I typically have my unit set up for P25 information, not DMR, so I had to adjust as I went along.

 

[Ace9133uwu]

Seems I missed one. 451.375. Everything seems similar to the 451.8375 frequency. Maybe a little further away, though.

 

[mtindor]

Seems I missed one. 451.375. Everything seems similar to the 451.8375 frequency. Maybe a little further away, though.

Screenshot?

 

[mtindor]

I fiddled with the network & site ID’s in the custom menu so I could see what they were. I typically have my unit set up for P25 information, not DMR, so I had to adjust as I went along.

Net ID 3h doesn't look right. 3h is decimal 3. The ERS TIII system is Hex A, Dec 10

And 451.8375 is only licensed to ERS in Plymouth IN and Kokomo IN

I think you have found some other TIII system.

 

[Ace9133uwu]

Screenshot?

RSSI seems a bit weaker on this freq than the .8375.
Comes and goes. If I am indeed receiving another T3 system, it must be powerful.

One thing I did notice, the site ID is bouncing. I’ve seen it jump from 16 to: 794, 792, 786, 18 to name some. Network ID remains 3h.

 

[west-pac]

Net ID 3h doesn't look right. 3h is decimal 3. The ERS TIII system is Hex A, Dec 10

And 451.8375 is only licensed to ERS in Wabash IN and Washington IN

I think you have found some other TIII system.

In Wabash county, J&R Towers has that 451.8375 allocation.

 

[mtindor]

In Wabash county, J&R Towers has that 451.8375 allocation.

Thanks. I got it wrong on both accounts. I knew it was Plymouth and Kokomo when I originally looked it up for ERS. Not sure I why I said Washington and Plymouth. Oh I was looking at the ERS CON+ system and thinking that a site 16 hex would be Washington and site 16 dec would be Wabash. I got confused apparently. At any rate, me pointing any of that was mute since I then realized the Network ID he showed was 3h / aka 3 dec.

 

[n8yid]

Gentlemen,

The 451.8375 frequency is the Control Channel for the P & R CapMax System; site L3-16...

Site approx. 2 or 3 miles down the road, from Richmond, in New Paris, Ohio, just across the state line...

 

[Ace9133uwu]

Gentlemen,

The 451.8375 frequency is the Control Channel for the P & R CapMax System; site L3-16...

Site approx. 2 or 3 miles down the road, from Richmond, in New Paris, Ohio, just across the state line...

Ohhh boy. That explains a lot. 🤦‍♂ Thank you sir.

 

[dfoutch]

Updating the Anderson site from what I am seeing here. (Current frequency is 463.5375). DSD+ is showing "Current network" is L11 and "Currrent site" is L11-2.7. No other info is to be found.

 

[mtindor]

Updating the Anderson site from what I am seeing here. (Current frequency is 463.5375). DSD+ is showing "Current network" is L11 and "Currrent site" is L11-2.7. No other info is to be found.

That's a CAPMAX site. DSDPlus should be showing L10-14. Are you using FMP* and DSDPlus or are you using something else for audio input? Make sure the bandwidth is set to 7.6. If you have a good copy on the site, it should show TIII(MOT) at the bottom left of the event log and should be showing L10-14. It should only be displaying what you are seeing if it hasn't detected the site as a CAPMAX site. And typically that would only occur if you didn't have a decent decode on the site or were running too narrow of a bandwidth or in some way causing poor decoding.

 

[west-pac]

I'm currently looking at the spectrum to create this CC Chan/Freq list. The system is still L10 on DSD+

L10-1 CC=163
L10-3 CC=525 CC=454.275
L10-4 CC=499
L10-6 CC=159
L10-7 CC=7001
L10-8 CC=1971 CC=463.3125
L10-9 CC=2019 CC=463.6125
L10-10 CC=127 CC=451.7875
L10-11 CC=2033 CC=463.700
L10-12 CC=2175 CC=464.5875
L10-14 CC=2007 CC=463.5375
L10-16 CC=1
L10-17 CC=1
L10-19 CC=1
L10-24 CC=1
L10-26 CC=1
L10-27 CC=1
L10-33 CC=1

 

[dfoutch]

Sorry It says what it says, I can't change it. Also that freq is on two licenses for ERS on the same tower, WPPV310(Anderson only) and WPPX853(+ Kokomo & Plymouth). Could the DB be wrong.

 

[west-pac]

Sorry It says what it says, I can't change it. Also that freq is on two licenses for ERS on the same tower, WPPV310(Anderson only) and WPPX853(+ Kokomo & Plymouth). Could the DB be wrong.

No, the Tier 3 system is following the same site numbers as the Con+ system.

127-14 is the same site as L10-14. Also the Color Codes match on all of the shared sites.

 

[mtindor]

Sorry It says what it says, I can't change it. Also that freq is on two licenses for ERS on the same tower, WPPV310(Anderson only) and WPPX853(+ Kokomo & Plymouth). Could the DB be wrong.

Just trying to help. Are you running FMP* and DSDPlus? Or are you using another audio source + virtual cable + DSDPlus? Are you running the latest DSDPlus FastLane version?

 

[dfoutch]

Getting audio from an old Radio Shack scanner. Running DSD+ only. (also using Win 7, FMP.exe and FastLane won't run)

 

[west-pac]

Submitted sites 4, 5, 6, and 18 this morning.

I find it interesting that no sites show site 13 or 29 as neighbors, not even geographical neighbors.

 

[west-pac]

@venom6733 Are you able to monitor L10-29 on 451.9625?

@INDaviation Are you able to monitor 451.009375 again, and see if those neighbors are still using CC 1?

 

[n8yid]

Connersville (Site L10-29); a couple of days ago, was showing NO neighbors with DSD+ (about a mile down the road from the tower site)...

Richmond (Site L10-13 (assumed)) was still showing as a CON+ site (I ran all the freqs under that license (s) while I was in Richmond)...

Dave T.

 

[mtindor]

Historically, on the Con+ system nobody has seemed to ever figure out where Sites 2 / 4 really are, other than them being in NE Indiana or vicinity.

I was sniffing around on www.erssite.com . They manage some tower sites for other companies. And four of those are in Albion (Noble), Kendallville (Noble), Lagrange (Lagrange) and Orland (Steuben). I'm wondering if Sites 2 and 4 might be on a couple of those towers. Lagrange and Kendallville look like possibilities. Just throwing it out there. Unless they have towers registered under a different FRN than the two FRNs that I know of, either they are leasing tower space predominantly from the big guys (like Crown or someone) or they own towers that aren't tall enough to require FCC registration.

Then again, they also have site licenses in Auburn (DeKalb) - WPTA592 (analog trunked) and WQQL305 (with DMR emissions). And based upon the neighbors that the CON+ sites 2/4 reported in the past, I would suspect that site 2 is up in the Lagrange area and that Site 4 is either in Auburn (given they do have a trunked license for Auburn) or maybe Kendallville.